29 Sep
2014
29 Sep
'14
1:45 p.m.
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi devs,
I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started on this topic, but in
my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start being confused and
questions like this [1] start to be asked.
The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is problematic IMO for a
various number of reasons:
- It falsely gives the impression that it adds page-related entries (i.e.
related to the current page), due to its current location (i.e. in the page
content)
- It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button
- from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the new location looks
completely randomly selected:
-- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right language specific brains are
trained to follow)
-- it's not exactly at the top either
-- it's not at the right
-- it's not next to the type of elements it creates (i.e. next to
WIKI/SPACE/PAGE)
-- it basically is almost in the middle of the screen
- etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my mind)
First of all, I agree that we must copy from one skin to another things
that work, but I also believe that each skin could have their own
characteristics. Flamingo skin brought some menu and panels changes and
just time and user testing will reveal if the changes were beneficial. This
doesn't mean that we should not experiment or keep just one style of
interaction always.
Second of all, the big reason why I proposed this menu entry changes were
some user complains that the actions were not in a single place. They
complained that the actions were scattered across the UI and you had to Add
in one part, Edit in another, while Copy/Move/Delete in other part of the
UI. Maybe the problem is that we didn't go the full way, that meaning
remove or duplicate the page actions (copy, rename, delete) in the 'More
actions' menu. This way we could have had all the actions at hand. [one of
the reasons I didn't propose this was because I kind of like the actions
consistency of wiki/space/page menus - being able to delete a
wiki/space/page entity in the same manner].
Another reason why we moved the Add from top, was that it had some
visibility problems: some users ignored it's position and couldn't find it,
compared to the central location it has now. Also on customized instances
the globalmenu was hidden from users (because wiki/space/page menu were
considered to be complex) this way disabling the user from creating
entities.
Moving the Add from the globalmenu also gave the wiki/space/page breadcrumb
more identity, separating a bit the navigation from actions.
I like both solutions (Colibri and Flamingo) and I see arguments for both,
that's why maybe for me is hard to decide if one way is better than the
other.
Thanks,
Caty
I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's quite an important aspect
of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which I like :)), it`s hard
to miss.
Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do others see a problem here
with this as well?
Thanks,
Eduard
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[1] http://xwiki.markmail.org/thread/rqcxryksa2ckjhpm
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