On 20 Sep 2018, at 09:54, Adel Atallah <adel.atallah(a)xwiki.com> wrote: +1 but we have to make sure that users will be aware of this change.

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 7:30 AM Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: > > Hi devs, > > We see more and more wikis with tons of redirects and issues to manage them, see https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-14570 > > “ > Rationale for turning it off by default: > - Several users have reported a usability issue about automatic redirects. The way they express it is the following: "I have duplicates pages in my wiki. I don't understand why this is happening. I'm choosing to rename pages and not to copy them but I still get duplicates in the Navigation panel". > - Automatic redirects are especially useful for public wikis where users can have bookmark on pages and you don't want to break them. It can also be useful for internal wikis but it's less an issue. > - Even for public wikis not all pages need automatic redirects. Technical pages don't need them for example. > “ > > I’ve had Ludovic report that to me too again this morning. > > Since we’ve been knowing about the problem for a while already and since it’s very easy to change the default behavior, I’d like to propose that we turn it off by default in XWiki 10.8 (ie right now, or if you think it’s really too dangerous in 10.9), and that we implement an option to configure the default behavior later on (https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13384). > > WDYT? > > Thanks > -Vincent > >

On 20 Sep 2018, at 10:29, Adel Atallah <adel.atallah(a)xwiki.com> wrote: In fact it might already be clear enough that the option is unchecked in the UI. I was just thinking that maybe some people would always leave the default options while renaming a page and it might surprise them that the default behavior has changed.

Anyway I don't think it's a big deal in any case. Thanks, Adel On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 10:22 AM Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: > > > >> On 20 Sep 2018, at 09:54, Adel Atallah <adel.atallah(a)xwiki.com> wrote: >> >> +1 but we have to make sure that users will be aware of this change. > > What do you suggest? > > IMO having it in the RN is enough. > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> >> >> On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 7:30 AM Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> wrote: >>> >>> Hi devs, >>> >>> We see more and more wikis with tons of redirects and issues to manage them, see https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-14570 >>> >>> “ >>> Rationale for turning it off by default: >>> - Several users have reported a usability issue about automatic redirects. The way they express it is the following: "I have duplicates pages in my wiki. I don't understand why this is happening. I'm choosing to rename pages and not to copy them but I still get duplicates in the Navigation panel". >>> - Automatic redirects are especially useful for public wikis where users can have bookmark on pages and you don't want to break them. It can also be useful for internal wikis but it's less an issue. >>> - Even for public wikis not all pages need automatic redirects. Technical pages don't need them for example. >>> “ >>> >>> I’ve had Ludovic report that to me too again this morning. >>> >>> Since we’ve been knowing about the problem for a while already and since it’s very easy to change the default behavior, I’d like to propose that we turn it off by default in XWiki 10.8 (ie right now, or if you think it’s really too dangerous in 10.9), and that we implement an option to configure the default behavior later on (https://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-13384). >>> >>> WDYT? >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> >