For the record: OpenCollective's 'competitor' https://communitybridge.org, still in early access, but launched by Linux Foundation ( https://www.linuxfoundation.org/) We could use the CommunityBridge in parallel with OpenCollective. On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:20 PM Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > Ping > > On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 5:22 PM Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >> Hi devs, >> >> This is a proposal for the content we would have if we were to create an >> OpenCollective account for XWiki. >> Take a look at >> https://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOpenCollective >> >> The issues we need to solve / validate are: >> A. Decide on the URL name (xwiki is already taken by XWiki SAS) >> B. See if XWiki SAS can act like our Fiscal host >> C. Validate the tiers and content >> https://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOpenCollective#HTiers >> (we might need more details on how the "Bug Fixer" works in case we agree >> to it) >> >> Let me know what you think, >> Caty >> >>

I’d say that we should start with opencollective for now. We can always add more later on. But the importance is to get started. Thanks -Vincent wrote: https://communitybridge.org, an https://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOpenCollective#HTiers agree

On 19 Mar 2019, at 13:46, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: Hi Caty and all, * What is a member? * For me the Tshirt is not part of the title but it’s a reward. * Issue sponsor isn’t defined well enough. You seem to indicate 1 issue only… which is low. Is it 1 issue per release? Also needs some limits on the complexity (such as < 2 days of work). I would put 2000 euros for 2 days of work since the goal is not to do service work but to sponsor the sofware and by doing so you get a reward. So it has to be higher than if you were just paying for an issue. So I would put 2000 euros for max of 2 days issues per month. 1000 euros for 1 day is also possible but reduces a lot the type of issues that can be taken. * For all of them I find the description too weak. We need to explain where the money goes in more details IMO. Also what about XWiki SAS’s current sponsoring. Why would anyone want to give when XWiki SAS gives already? This is not explained. * Support Sponsor is interesting but it should be 1000 euros per month and be limited to 2 hours IMO. Regarding Issue sponsor and Support Sponsor there’s an issue though. It’s not clear where the money goes and what it’ll be used for. Imagine, for example, that Clemens does an Issue sponsor. Does some part of the money go to him? If not, what is it used for and how does it benefit Clemens globally? So I really think we need to explain what the money is going to be used in details, on top of what XWiki SAS already sponsors. That should be our first step IMO. Thanks -Vincent

On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 2:47 PM Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: IMO I prefer more the recurring donations, since the members can always stop the donation. So recurring always includes one time donations. In order to prevent selection paralysis we should not have that many options to choose from. I've already proposed 5, but I'm sure we will have at least 4. If we also add the one time donations is going to add up. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > On 19 Mar 2019, at 13:46, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > > > > Hi Caty and all, > > > >> On 19 Mar 2019, at 12:11, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> > >> Please vote on the Tiers we should have on XWiki's OpenCollective page > >> https://goo.gl/forms/qTDsxt1GvpU0ET3n2 > > > > * What is a member? > > * For me the Tshirt is not part of the title but it’s a reward. > > * Issue sponsor isn’t defined well enough. You seem to indicate 1 issue > only… which is low. Is it 1 issue per release? Also needs some limits on > the complexity (such as < 2 days of work). I would put 2000 euros for 2 > days of work since the goal is not to do service work but to sponsor the > sofware and by doing so you get a reward. So it has to be higher than if > you were just paying for an issue. So I would put 2000 euros for max of 2 > days issues per month. 1000 euros for 1 day is also possible but reduces a > lot the type of issues that can be taken. > > * For all of them I find the description too weak. We need to explain > where the money goes in more details IMO. Also what about XWiki SAS’s > current sponsoring. Why would anyone want to give when XWiki SAS gives > already? This is not explained. > > * Support Sponsor is interesting but it should be 1000 euros per month > and be limited to 2 hours IMO. > > > > Regarding Issue sponsor and Support Sponsor there’s an issue though. > It’s not clear where the money goes and what it’ll be used for. Imagine, > for example, that Clemens does an Issue sponsor. Does some part of the > money go to him? If not, what is it used for and how does it benefit > Clemens globally? > > > > So I really think we need to explain what the money is going to be used > in details, on top of what XWiki SAS already sponsors. That should be our > first step IMO. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > >> Thanks, > >> Caty > >> > >> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > wrote: > >> > >>> I’d say that we should start with opencollective for now. > >>> > >>> We can always add more later on. But the importance is to get started. > >>> > >>> Thanks > >>> -Vincent > >>> > >>>> On 13 Mar 2019, at 16:39, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> For the record: OpenCollective's 'competitor' > >>> https://communitybridge.org, > >>>> still in early access, but launched by Linux Foundation ( > >>>> https://www.linuxfoundation.org/) > >>>> > >>>> We could use the CommunityBridge in parallel with OpenCollective. > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:20 PM Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Ping > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 5:22 PM Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hi devs, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> This is a proposal for the content we would have if we were to > create > >>> an > >>>>>> OpenCollective account for XWiki. > >>>>>> Take a look at > >>>>>> > https://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOpenCollective > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The issues we need to solve / validate are: > >>>>>> A. Decide on the URL name (xwiki is already taken by XWiki SAS) > >>>>>> B. See if XWiki SAS can act like our Fiscal host > >>>>>> C. Validate the tiers and content > >>>>>> > >>> > https://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOpenCollective#HTiers > >>>>>> (we might need more details on how the "Bug Fixer" works in case we > >>> agree > >>>>>> to it) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let me know what you think, > >>>>>> Caty > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>> > >>> > > > >

On 20 Mar 2019, at 13:09, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: Hi Caty, For me the most important is to indeed prepare the OC page which means defining the story we want to tell and explain why we need donations and what it’ll be used for. And how the XWiki SAS donations/sponsoring fit in the picture. All the rest is details and easy. But without this I’m -1 to proceed since I wouldn’t feel comfortable asking for money that we don’t know what it would be used for. Thanks -Vincent

In my proposal there was just a simple description of the XWiki project. Personally I can back and show support for a project without having all the details. Regarding proceeding, this is what I could help towards this process: investigating limitations, requirements, proposing tiers. I'm glad things are clear until now. Regarding donations usage, sponsoring details: would be great if you could add what you have in mind on the proposal page since it seams you have clear expectations on what it should contain. This would provide a start for a discussion. Thanks, Caty On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 2:10 PM Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > In other words, your proposal is focusing on the tiers but I don’t recall > seeing a proposal for the content of the page. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > On 20 Mar 2019, at 13:09, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; wrote: > > > > Hi Caty, > > > >> On 20 Mar 2019, at 12:22, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) &lt;valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > wrote: > >> > >> We could spend a lot of time adjusting large donations tiers > information. > >> I would like us to just create the OpenCollective page. Having just > the €5 > >> tier would be better than nothing. > > > > For me the most important is to indeed prepare the OC page which means > defining the story we want to tell and explain why we need donations and > what it’ll be used for. And how the XWiki SAS donations/sponsoring fit in > the picture. All the rest is details and easy. But without this I’m -1 to > proceed since I wouldn’t feel comfortable asking for money that we don’t > know what it would be used for. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > >> If we have flexible tiers, people can > >> donate as much as they want, if they choose to support us. > >> The tiers can be adjusted afterwards when we learn more about the > platform > >> and how it works. > >> I need someone that is an Owner of xwiki-platform Github repository to > >> handle the process. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Caty > >> > >> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 3:01 PM Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 2:47 PM Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Another point: > >>>> > >>>> * There are only recurring donations. I believe we also need one shot > >>>> ones, don’t you think? > >>>> > >>> > >>> IMO I prefer more the recurring donations, since the members can > always > >>> stop the donation. So recurring always includes one time donations. > >>> In order to prevent selection paralysis we should not have that many > >>> options to choose from. I've already proposed 5, but I'm sure we will > have > >>> at least 4. If we also add the one time donations is going to add up. > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> -Vincent > >>>> > >>>>> On 19 Mar 2019, at 13:46, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; > wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hi Caty and all, > >>>>> > >>>>>> On 19 Mar 2019, at 12:11, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Please vote on the Tiers we should have on XWiki's OpenCollective > page > >>>>>> https://goo.gl/forms/qTDsxt1GvpU0ET3n2 > >>>>> > >>>>> * What is a member? > >>>>> * For me the Tshirt is not part of the title but it’s a reward. > >>>>> * Issue sponsor isn’t defined well enough. You seem to indicate 1 > issue > >>>> only… which is low. Is it 1 issue per release? Also needs some > limits on > >>>> the complexity (such as < 2 days of work). I would put 2000 euros > for 2 > >>>> days of work since the goal is not to do service work but to sponsor > the > >>>> sofware and by doing so you get a reward. So it has to be higher > than if > >>>> you were just paying for an issue. So I would put 2000 euros for max > of 2 > >>>> days issues per month. 1000 euros for 1 day is also possible but > reduces a > >>>> lot the type of issues that can be taken. > >>>>> * For all of them I find the description too weak. We need to > explain > >>>> where the money goes in more details IMO. Also what about XWiki SAS’s > >>>> current sponsoring. Why would anyone want to give when XWiki SAS > gives > >>>> already? This is not explained. > >>>>> * Support Sponsor is interesting but it should be 1000 euros per > month > >>>> and be limited to 2 hours IMO. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regarding Issue sponsor and Support Sponsor there’s an issue though. > >>>> It’s not clear where the money goes and what it’ll be used for. > Imagine, > >>>> for example, that Clemens does an Issue sponsor. Does some part of > the > >>>> money go to him? If not, what is it used for and how does it benefit > >>>> Clemens globally? > >>>>> > >>>>> So I really think we need to explain what the money is going to be > used > >>>> in details, on top of what XWiki SAS already sponsors. That should > be our > >>>> first step IMO. > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> -Vincent > >>>>> > >>>>>> Thanks, > >>>>>> Caty > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 6:26 PM Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net > > > >>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> I’d say that we should start with opencollective for now. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We can always add more later on. But the importance is to get > started. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks > >>>>>>> -Vincent > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 13 Mar 2019, at 16:39, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> For the record: OpenCollective's 'competitor' > >>>>>>> https://communitybridge.org, > >>>>>>>> still in early access, but launched by Linux Foundation ( > >>>>>>>> https://www.linuxfoundation.org/) > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> We could use the CommunityBridge in parallel with OpenCollective. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 12:20 PM Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Ping > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 5:22 PM Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >>>>>>>>> valicac(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Hi devs, > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> This is a proposal for the content we would have if we were to > >>>> create > >>>>>>> an > >>>>>>>>>> OpenCollective account for XWiki. > >>>>>>>>>> Take a look at > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>> https://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOpenCollective > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> The issues we need to solve / validate are: > >>>>>>>>>> A. Decide on the URL name (xwiki is already taken by XWiki SAS) > >>>>>>>>>> B. See if XWiki SAS can act like our Fiscal host > >>>>>>>>>> C. Validate the tiers and content > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>> > https://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/XWikiOpenCollective#HTiers > >>>>>>>>>> (we might need more details on how the "Bug Fixer" works in > case we > >>>>>>> agree > >>>>>>>>>> to it) > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> Let me know what you think, > >>>>>>>>>> Caty > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> > > > >