19 May
2010
19 May
'10
4:33 p.m.
Hi Denis,
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 16:52, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
About Thomas feedback, don't you like
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HN…
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:39, Ecaterina Valica
<valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
from
So you're a great test candidate :). I also received a mail from Roman (he
wanted icons to represent rights), so what I can do for you is to try a
version with color + little icon to represent
"Inherited"|"Allow"|"Deny". I
will think about it.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:29, Denis Gervalle
<dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page
affectation.
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 17:08, Guillaume Lerouge
<guillaume(a)xwiki.com
Management
wrote:
Hi,
On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them to Rights > UI
> > Proposal *VERSION 3*:
> >
> > *Partial Prototype*
> >
> > - Wiki Level:
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki
> -
Space Level:
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space
> > - Page Level:
> > > >
> > *Desired Interaction*
> >
> > -
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Caty
> > >
> >
> > I like the separation between rights definition and rights > > Only
> >
>
> Nice indeed, but I do not understand how it could fits with current
> implementation.
>
>
> > downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly than what
they
were
For example, in Space Level
http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space
the text in yellow represents the inherited users and inherited roles in version 2.
and I do not see any inherited information anymore.
upper level.
The text in black (evalica with Reviewer and the Reviewer definition) is
specified only for this level.
After the save the added "Reviewer" right is gonna look like this:
http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights3Proposal/addU6…
Thanks for these precision, I have better understand your idea. (Personally
I have some difficulties with colors (partially color blind), so
information
based on colors is not always easy for me.)
>
> So, proposal 3 seems less interesting than proposal 2. I do not see
what
it
they
solves based on previous comments either.
Caty, could you explain further your goals with this proposal ?
I tried in proposal 3 to make it more easy to use. People told me that didn't understood the "Containing
Spaces/Pages" so I've removed it.
This proposal gives the users the possibility to create Roles that can
have
semantically value to them and thus making the
rights more easy to use.
This proposal accommodates the case: "Not sure it's scalable. In the
future
applications/components will be able to register
new rights".
Having the rights displayed vertically and only on Add, makes the UI more
scalable, and in the code we could add as many rights as we would want.
Also
the spaces is now more economical having just "Allow"/"Deny" columns.
I completely agree that proposal 3 is clearer. The problem is that
your samples and the structure of this proposal are really far from current
implementation.
Proposal 2 were fitting better but the samples where also not realistic and
remarks from Thomas about global wiki users should also be integrated.
So, I am puzzle by your goals here. Aren't we going too fast ?
Since there is very poor documentation about the way XWiki rights works (I
would be happy to improve that, but it will require some time), I have the
impression that there is a important misunderstanding of how inheritance is
effectively applied. So the design of a proper UI is not easy. I have also
read the draft of Sergiu that aims to improve the documentation, but either
I have not understand it or it does not describe current behavior.
So the question is for me, are we designing this UI to think about future
possibilities or to replace the current UI ?
My purpose is "to make rights easy to use at last". IMO this means do
whatever it takes to make them "easy to use" :) I try to base my proposal on
existing code, but I never disregard new functionalities that I can add if
this means the UI and experience is gonna be improved.
The only thing Rights version 3 is adding is the "Role" part, which is some
kind of groups for rights. If the solution given is gonna be convincing
enough to be use in the rights part (not yet .... but maybe some version of
it) I'm sure there will be someone that is gonna want to implement it. Until
then I will continue to prototype and find out how we can add all that
functionality in one place.
And yes... I need to focus more on the inheritance again.
Thanks,
Caty
Denis
Thanks,
Caty
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Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when selecting
which
right should be added to a role.
Guillaume
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