Re: [xwiki-devs] [PROPOSAL] So, what display name for the new default flavor ?

On 12 Jun 2017, at 12:42, Eduard Moraru <enygma2002(a)gmail.com> wrote: "XWiki Vanilla", because it`s the *standard flavor* :D Sounds so funny

I kind of like it :) However, I`m not so sure about non-techinical users or how that goes with other stuff that we already or might produce, since we don`t really have

pattern on that. Fun proposal, though.

Thanks, Eduard On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM, Marta Girdea <marta.girdea(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm jumping in a bit late, but I was just wondering if anyone considered > "Vanilla" [1]. It was the absolute first thing that popped to my mind

> I saw the discussion about naming the standard flavour. > > Just my 2 cents, > Marta > > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanilla_software > > On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 7:07 AM, Vincent Massol <vincent(a)massol.net> > wrote: > >> Hi Denis and all, >> >>> On 10 Jun 2017, at 11:46, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote: >>> >>> Hi All, >>> Sorry to jump in after an already long discussion since we are getting >> close to a conclusion, so I just don’t want my intervention to cause

>> fuzz than good. >>> I am in accordance with most of what was said so far, but “Default” >> looks to me a less valuable naming than “Standard”, it is not a strong >> opinion, so I give my +1 to “Standard” and +0 to “Default”. I will use >> “Standard" in the following, just to be clearer, but you can substitute > it >> with “Default” if you wish (you might notice further subtle

> or >> not). >>> So, what I am not sure about now is why all proposals end with “XWiki >> flavor” (and this is not really about the American spelling of flavour

>> :D). All flavours we gonna have surely will be XWiki ones, won’t it ?

> if >> we start with the “Standard XWiki Flavor”, I am afraid we are going to > lead >> a movement where everyone will name their flavour with that same

> Is >> that our intention ? >>> “XWiki Standard Flavor” would already carry a different meaning, since >> it would say more “Standard flavour made by the XWiki team”. However,

>> our intent was more to say this is a generic wiki flavour, using > “Standard >> Wiki Flavor” looks more in line with our intended meaning. And if our >> meaning is more that this is just a generic flavour, ending with > “Standard >> Flavor” is probably simpler, clearer and better. >>> WDYT ? >> >> I agree with you. >> >> I think we have 2 choices for the name that appears in the DW UI: >> * “Standard”. We may not even need the “Flavor” suffix in the same way

>> we don’t add an “Extension” suffix in the EM UI. IMO the DW UI for > flavors >> should indicate the author in the UI, something like ”Standard” and

>> “developed by XWiki Development Team” or “developed by XWiki SAS” or >> “developed by Denis Gervalle”. >> * "XWiki Standard” or “XWiki Standard Flavor” to indicate it’s the one >> made by the XWiki open source dev team. So that could be the full name > but >> the name we display in the DW UI could simply be “Standard Flavor” and > then >> “developed by XWiki Development Team”, etc. >> >> If we want to use the term “Wiki” then it could come as a replacement

>> the “Standard” term, to mention that it’s a generic wiki flavor, as > opposed >> to an intranet flavor, a knowledge base flavor, etc. But I agree that > “Wiki >> Flavor” is a good contender (and one that Ludovic mentioned too, he

>> mentioned Structured Wiki Flavor). I’d be +0 on “Wiki Flavor”.

>> Wiki Flavor” is also possible and hints that there can be other generic >> Wiki flavors that are not standard. So I’m also +0 for it. >> >> Now outside of the DW UI, the full name of the flavors done by the

>> Dev Team could be prefixed with XWiki as in “the XWiki Standard Flavor” > (or >> “XWiki Demo Flavor”). Other companies or individuals would name is with >> their identity, such as “the <my company> Procedure Flavor”. >> >> WDYT? >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> -- >>> Denis Gervalle >>> SOFTEC sa - CEO >>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 16:48, Thomas Mortagne < > thomas.mortagne(a)xwiki.com&gt; >> wrote: >>> So here is the current situation >>> >>> = Proposition which don't annoy people enough to get a veto >>> >>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" (+3) >>> * "Standard XWiki Flavor" (+2) >>> >>> = Someone gave a veto on those >>> >>> * "Base XWiki Flavor" >>> * "Classic XWiki Flavor" (good success for this one until it hits Edy >>> and Vincent) >>> * "Raw XWiki Flavor" >>> * "Starter XWiki Flavor" >>> * "XWiki Flavor” >>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor" >>> >>> Anyone want to change his votes ? >>> >>> I don't really have a preference between "Default" and "Standard". >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Vincent Massol &lt;vincent(a)massol.net&gt; >> wrote: >>>> So I’ve read this thread and here’s my POV: >>>> >>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Thomas) >>>> * “Classic XWiki Flavor” -1 (same reason as Edy, it means there’s a > non >> classic and *better* one and we don’t have one so it doesn’t make

>>>> * “Raw XWiki Flavor” -1 (not enough meaning IMO and a bit

>>>> * “Starter XWiki Flavor” -1 (would mean there’s another flavor which >> isn’t the case) >>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor” +1 >>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor” +1 >>>> * “Standard XWiki Flavor” +1 (makes the most sense IMO) >>>> * "XWiki Flavor”. Here it’s hard to understand that “XWiki” actually >> means “developed by the XWiki project” and it would work only if other >> flavors don’t have “XWiki” in the name. This is why I’m -1 ATM for it. > IMO >> it’s not easy enough to differentiate and understand what it means > compared >> to other listed flavors such “Procedure Flavor” from XWiki SAS or “Demo >> Flavor” from contrib. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>>> On 24 May 2017, at 11:51, Thomas Mortagne <

>> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi devs, >>>>> >>>>> I'm getting closer to finish with the hard work around new platform >>>>> flavor which is going to replace XE. >>>>> >>>>> Need to decide what user will see in the Flavor picker when

>> XWiki now. >>>>> >>>>> As a reminder we decided that this would be a generic flavor, not > tied >>>>> to any specific use case (so forget about "Knwonledge Base Flavor" >>>>> :)). >>>>> >>>>> Here is a few ideas gathered in previous mails: >>>>> * "XWiki Flavor" >>>>> * "Default XWiki Flavor" >>>>> * "Generic XWiki Flavor" >>>>> * "Base XWiki Flavor" >>>>> >>>>> "Generic" is probably a way too technical term. >>>>> >>>>> "Base" would be misleading IMO since it's not really a base flavor. >>>>> Its primary goal is not to be used as a dependency (of course it's >>>>> fine to have it as dependency if you just want to add pre installed >>>>> extensions to the default flavor). It's a -1 for me. >>>>> >>>>> Frankly I would simply go for "XWiki Flavor". I know, it's not going >>>>> to be the only flavor for XWiki but it's obvious when you actually > see >>>>> severals of those in the picker anyway and I find it nicer than >>>>> "Default XWiki Flavor" which basically means the same thing since

>>>>> XWiki core project does not plan to provide any other flavor. I'm > also >>>>> fine with "Default XWiki Favor" if others think it's a better name. >>>>> >>>>> WDYT ? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thomas Mortagne >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >> >> >