[xwiki-devs] Some thoughts about the new upgrade wizard
Hi guys, I was just reading the release notes about the latest 4.2 release, and I would like to share my thoughts about the new experimental upgrade wizard: 1) During the first step, I found the labels of the button "Skip" and "Cancel" to be potentially misleading. I quickly make the analogy with a typical application upgrade wizard on my Mac, which say "Skip this version" or "Remind me later". But this is exactly the contrary, "Skip" here means "Remind me later", and "Cancel" means "Skip this version". So I propose to use more explicit labels, either those proposed above or any other that avoid the confusion. 2) During the second step, the extensions that are incompatible but do not have a potential update seems to not be listed. Once again, this could be misleading, since you naturally expect the wizard to have proposed the whole solution for your upgrade. I think that the wizard should also tell you which extension has been disabled for incompatibilities during this step. WDYT ? -- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO
Hi Denis, On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just reading the release notes about the latest 4.2 release, and I would like to share my thoughts about the new experimental upgrade wizard:
1) During the first step, I found the labels of the button "Skip" and "Cancel" to be potentially misleading. I quickly make the analogy with a typical application upgrade wizard on my Mac, which say "Skip this version" or "Remind me later". But this is exactly the contrary, "Skip" here means "Remind me later", and "Cancel" means "Skip this version". So I propose to use more explicit labels, either those proposed above or any other that avoid the confusion.
I agree that these two buttons can be misleading, that's why I added a hint message in the first (welcome) step and also tool tips (on mouse hover) but I guess they can be easily overlooked. I'm open to change their labels. One of the reasons I didn't use a multi word label is because it doesn't look good in upper case, and that's the style we use on buttons.. Caty had a few ideas on how to replace these two buttons with something more intuitive but I wasn't fully convinced :) I'm sure she's eager to show them to you.
2) During the second step, the extensions that are incompatible but do not have a potential update seems to not be listed. Once again, this could be misleading, since you naturally expect the wizard to have proposed the whole solution for your upgrade. I think that the wizard should also tell you which extension has been disabled for incompatibilities during this step.
Me and Thomas talked about putting this in a separate step, the "clean up" step, where the user can view and uninstall extensions that are no longer supported (are invalid and don't have upgrades available). We decided to leave this steps for later since the 4.2 release was already delayed.
WDYT ?
Thanks for your feedback, Marius
-- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Denis,
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just reading the release notes about the latest 4.2 release, and I would like to share my thoughts about the new experimental upgrade wizard:
1) During the first step, I found the labels of the button "Skip" and "Cancel" to be potentially misleading. I quickly make the analogy with a typical application upgrade wizard on my Mac, which say "Skip this version" or "Remind me later". But this is exactly the contrary, "Skip" here means "Remind me later", and "Cancel" means "Skip this version". So I propose to use more explicit labels, either those proposed above or any other that avoid the confusion.
I agree that these two buttons can be misleading, that's why I added a hint message in the first (welcome) step and also tool tips (on mouse hover) but I guess they can be easily overlooked. I'm open to change their labels. One of the reasons I didn't use a multi word label is because it doesn't look good in upper case, and that's the style we use on buttons..
Hi,
Caty had a few ideas on how to replace these two buttons with something more intuitive but I wasn't fully convinced :) I'm sure she's eager to show them to you.
:) Proposal at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/DistributionWizardA... Thanks, Caty
2) During the second step, the extensions that are incompatible but do
not
have a potential update seems to not be listed. Once again, this could be misleading, since you naturally expect the wizard to have proposed the whole solution for your upgrade. I think that the wizard should also tell you which extension has been disabled for incompatibilities during this step.
Me and Thomas talked about putting this in a separate step, the "clean up" step, where the user can view and uninstall extensions that are no longer supported (are invalid and don't have upgrades available). We decided to leave this steps for later since the 4.2 release was already delayed.
WDYT ?
Thanks for your feedback, Marius
-- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Denis,
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just reading the release notes about the latest 4.2 release, and I would like to share my thoughts about the new experimental upgrade wizard:
1) During the first step, I found the labels of the button "Skip" and "Cancel" to be potentially misleading. I quickly make the analogy with a typical application upgrade wizard on my Mac, which say "Skip this version" or "Remind me later". But this is exactly the contrary, "Skip" here means "Remind me later", and "Cancel" means "Skip this version". So I propose to use more explicit labels, either those proposed above or any other that avoid the confusion.
I agree that these two buttons can be misleading, that's why I added a hint message in the first (welcome) step and also tool tips (on mouse hover) but I guess they can be easily overlooked. I'm open to change their labels. One of the reasons I didn't use a multi word label is because it doesn't look good in upper case, and that's the style we use on buttons..
Do not really understand why multi words in uppercase is an issue, and it is for sure a less important issue than having a misleading solution. Having tooltips is nice, but we should not rely on it IMO.
Caty had a few ideas on how to replace these two buttons with something more intuitive but I wasn't fully convinced :) I'm sure she's eager to show them to you.
I agree without, I am not really convinced either, but I would still prefer the checkbox proposal from Cathy to the current situation.
2) During the second step, the extensions that are incompatible but do
not
have a potential update seems to not be listed. Once again, this could be misleading, since you naturally expect the wizard to have proposed the whole solution for your upgrade. I think that the wizard should also tell you which extension has been disabled for incompatibilities during this step.
Me and Thomas talked about putting this in a separate step, the "clean up" step, where the user can view and uninstall extensions that are no longer supported (are invalid and don't have upgrades available). We decided to leave this steps for later since the 4.2 release was already delayed.
This is fine as well, what is important is to have all cases treated during the wizard process since we should not expect the users to look later at installed extensions. I fully understand that you have postpone that to 4.3, I am surprise Thomas has not mentioned this when I talked with him earlier. Thanks,
WDYT ?
Thanks for your feedback, Marius
-- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 7:17 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Denis,
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi guys,
I was just reading the release notes about the latest 4.2 release, and I would like to share my thoughts about the new experimental upgrade wizard:
1) During the first step, I found the labels of the button "Skip" and "Cancel" to be potentially misleading. I quickly make the analogy with a typical application upgrade wizard on my Mac, which say "Skip this version" or "Remind me later". But this is exactly the contrary, "Skip" here means "Remind me later", and "Cancel" means "Skip this version". So I propose to use more explicit labels, either those proposed above or any other that avoid the confusion.
I agree that these two buttons can be misleading, that's why I added a hint message in the first (welcome) step and also tool tips (on mouse hover) but I guess they can be easily overlooked. I'm open to change their labels. One of the reasons I didn't use a multi word label is because it doesn't look good in upper case, and that's the style we use on buttons..
Do not really understand why multi words in uppercase is an issue, and it is for sure a less important issue than having a misleading solution. Having tooltips is nice, but we should not rely on it IMO.
Caty had a few ideas on how to replace these two buttons with something more intuitive but I wasn't fully convinced :) I'm sure she's eager to show them to you.
I agree without, I am not really convinced either, but I would still prefer the checkbox proposal from Cathy to the current situation.
2) During the second step, the extensions that are incompatible but do
not
have a potential update seems to not be listed. Once again, this could be misleading, since you naturally expect the wizard to have proposed the whole solution for your upgrade. I think that the wizard should also tell you which extension has been disabled for incompatibilities during this step.
Me and Thomas talked about putting this in a separate step, the "clean up" step, where the user can view and uninstall extensions that are no longer supported (are invalid and don't have upgrades available). We decided to leave this steps for later since the 4.2 release was already delayed.
This is fine as well, what is important is to have all cases treated during the wizard process since we should not expect the users to look later at installed extensions. I fully understand that you have postpone that to 4.3, I am surprise Thomas has not mentioned this when I talked with him earlier.
This step was actually mostly for cleaning extension becoming useless (extension installed as dependencies but without any backward dependency anymore) in general, did not exactly talked about invalid extensions without any available upgrade but yes it could fit in it.
Thanks,
WDYT ?
Thanks for your feedback, Marius
-- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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-- Thomas Mortagne
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Denis Gervalle -
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) -
Marius Dumitru Florea -
Thomas Mortagne