[xwiki-devs] Legal notice for xwiki.org
Hi xwiki committers, According to the French law we have to have a legal notice page on xwiki.org, see: https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228 I’ve thus created http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ WDYT? Anything to add? Now we need to link it, somewhere in the footer. @Caty: would you have any idea of where would be the best place? Thanks -Vincent
Hi XWiki Committers, I'm +1 with the page you created Vincent. About the place where we could display it, I suggest in the footer in the "About" section just after "Sponsors". WDYT? Thanks, Benjamin 2016-09-02 10:46 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>:
Hi xwiki committers,
According to the French law we have to have a legal notice page on xwiki.org, see: https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228
I’ve thus created http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
WDYT? Anything to add?
Now we need to link it, somewhere in the footer.
@Caty: would you have any idea of where would be the best place?
Thanks -Vincent
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The best place would be the "About" section. What will be the name? "Legal"? Thanks, Caty On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Benjamin Lanciaux < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi XWiki Committers,
I'm +1 with the page you created Vincent. About the place where we could display it, I suggest in the footer in the "About" section just after "Sponsors".
WDYT?
Thanks,
Benjamin
2016-09-02 10:46 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>:
Hi xwiki committers,
According to the French law we have to have a legal notice page on xwiki.org, see: https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/ vosdroits/F31228
I’ve thus created http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
WDYT? Anything to add?
Now we need to link it, somewhere in the footer.
@Caty: would you have any idea of where would be the best place?
Thanks -Vincent
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of page. Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? For a site hosted in Germany, that page is called an "Impressum" and beyond the terms of use, it also has the duty to indicate a full name and address of the owner of the website. That'd be a person that a lawyer should reach to, if a blatant copyright issue would be detected. I would be in favour of extending this page to any XWiki entreprise. paul PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However, the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not doing that? Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
The best place would be the "About" section.
What will be the name? "Legal"?
On 02 Sep 2016, at 13:42, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of page. Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis?
Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France.
For a site hosted in Germany, that page is called an "Impressum" and beyond the terms of use, it also has the duty to indicate a full name and address of the owner of the website. That'd be a person that a lawyer should reach to, if a blatant copyright issue would be detected. I would be in favour of extending this page to any XWiki entreprise.
paul
PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However, the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not doing that?
Are we? I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the “remember me” option. Thanks -Vincent
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
The best place would be the "About" section.
What will be the name? "Legal"?
>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of page. >> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? > Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I should have started another thread. >> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see >> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However, >> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not >> doing that? > > Are we? Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no xwiki.org cookies. > I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the “remember me” option. After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have cookies for: - xwiki.org: - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) - JSESSIONID - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good example for the others!) - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). Paul
> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of page. >>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? >> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. > And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I > should have started another thread. >>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see >>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However, >>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not >>> doing that? >> >> Are we? > Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no > xwiki.org cookies. >> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the “remember me” option. > After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have cookies for: > - xwiki.org: > - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) > - JSESSIONID > - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good > example for the others!) > - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice page. Thanks! -Vincent > > So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should > also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies > (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). > > Paul
> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of page. >>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? >>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. >> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I >> should have started another thread. >>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I see >>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However, >>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not >>>> doing that? >>> >>> Are we? >> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no >> xwiki.org cookies. >>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the “remember me” option. >> After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have cookies for: >> - xwiki.org: >> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) >> - JSESSIONID >> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good >> example for the others!) >> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) > > ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice page. Thanks! Done: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ Thanks -Vincent > -Vincent > >> >> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should >> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies >> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). >> >> Paul
Hi, I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In France it's "Directeur de la publication". I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent and me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok I believe. Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a french version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not. I think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in French even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says what to do for a english language site published in France. Ludovic Ludovic -- *Ludovic Dubost* *Founder and CEO* [email protected] skype: ldubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > >> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of > page. > >>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? > >>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. > >> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I > >> should have started another thread. > >>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I > see > >>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. > However, > >>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not > >>>> doing that? > >>> > >>> Are we? > >> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no > >> xwiki.org cookies. > >>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the > “remember me” option. > >> After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have cookies for: > >> - xwiki.org: > >> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) > >> - JSESSIONID > >> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good > >> example for the others!) > >> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) > > > > ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice > page. Thanks! > > Done: > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > -Vincent > > > >> > >> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should > >> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies > >> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). > >> > >> Paul > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >
> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi, > > I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In > France it's "Directeur de la publication". > I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent and > me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok I > believe. I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which happens to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it). Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org. It doesn’t operate it. > Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a french > version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not. At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228 And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that way if we can. > I > think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the > home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in French > even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the > exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says what > to do for a english language site published in France. I think we’re fine for now. Thanks -Vincent > Ludovic > > Ludovic > > -- > *Ludovic Dubost* > *Founder and CEO* > [email protected] > skype: ldubost > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org > > On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of >> page. >>>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? >>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. >>>> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I >>>> should have started another thread. >>>>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ I >> see >>>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. >> However, >>>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not >>>>>> doing that? >>>>> >>>>> Are we? >>>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no >>>> xwiki.org cookies. >>>>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the >> “remember me” option. >>>> After I visited xwiki.org's home page I have cookies for: >>>> - xwiki.org: >>>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) >>>> - JSESSIONID >>>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good >>>> example for the others!) >>>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) >>> >>> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice >> page. Thanks! >> >> Done: >> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> >>>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should >>>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies >>>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). >>>> >>>> Paul
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In > > France it's "Directeur de la publication". > > I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent > and > > me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok I > > believe. > > I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la > publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed > by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who > provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which happens > to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it). > > Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>. > It doesn’t operate it. > Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site: "dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier, les mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur." which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the creator (pointing to the active commiters sounds good) > > > Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a french > > version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not. > > At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/ > professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228 > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises%2Fvosdroits%2FF31228> > > And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for > one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that way > if we can. > Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we can keep it like that for now.. Ludovic > > > I > > think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the > > home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in French > > even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the > > exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says > what > > to do for a english language site published in France. > > I think we’re fine for now. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > Ludovic > > > > Ludovic > > > > -- > > *Ludovic Dubost* > > *Founder and CEO* > > [email protected] > > skype: ldubost > > Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org> > > > > On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > >> > >>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>>> > >>>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of > >> page. > >>>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? > >>>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. > >>>> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I > >>>> should have started another thread. > >>>>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F> > I > >> see > >>>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. > >> However, > >>>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we > not > >>>>>> doing that? > >>>>> > >>>>> Are we? > >>>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no > >>>> xwiki.org > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> > cookies. > >>>>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the > >> “remember me” option. > >>>> After I visited xwiki.org > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s > home page I have cookies for: > >>>> - xwiki.org > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> > : > >>>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against > attackers) > >>>> - JSESSIONID > >>>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good > >>>> example for the others!) > >>>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) > >>> > >>> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal > notice > >> page. Thanks! > >> > >> Done: > >> http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F> > >> > >> Thanks > >> -Vincent > >> > >>> -Vincent > >>> > >>>> > >>>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should > >>>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set > cookies > >>>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). > >>>> > >>>> Paul > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Flists.xwiki.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdevs> >
Hi, Don`t forget MouseFlow. Also, links to the services would probably be a good thing. Thanks, Eduard On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In France it's "Directeur de la publication". I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent and me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok
I
believe.
I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which happens to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it).
Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>. It doesn’t operate it.
Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
"dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier, les mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the creator (pointing to the active commiters sounds good)
Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a french version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not.
At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/ professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228 <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises% 2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that
way
if we can.
Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we can keep it like that for now..
Ludovic
I think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in
French
even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says what to do for a english language site published in France.
I think we’re fine for now.
Thanks -Vincent
Ludovic
Ludovic
-- *Ludovic Dubost* *Founder and CEO* [email protected] skype: ldubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind
of
page.
>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? > Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I should have started another thread. >> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview% 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F> I see >> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However, >> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not >> doing that? > > Are we? Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> cookies. > I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the “remember me” option. After I visited xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s home page I have cookies for: - xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> : - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) - JSESSIONID - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good example for the others!) - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice page. Thanks!
Done: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview% 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
Thanks -Vincent
-Vincent
So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we
should
also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX).
Paul
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Flists.xwiki.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fdevs>
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On 07 Sep 2016, at 10:51, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Don`t forget MouseFlow. Also, links to the services would probably be a good thing.
Good point. I’ve added: - mouseflow - active installs Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Eduard
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In France it's "Directeur de la publication". I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both Vincent and me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok
I
believe.
I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which happens to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it).
Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>. It doesn’t operate it.
Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
"dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier, les mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the creator (pointing to the active commiters sounds good)
Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a french version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not.
At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/ professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228 <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71
ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises% 2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that
way
if we can.
Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we can keep it like that for now..
Ludovic
I think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least the home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in
French
even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says what to do for a english language site published in France.
I think we’re fine for now.
Thanks -Vincent
Ludovic
Ludovic
-- *Ludovic Dubost* *Founder and CEO* [email protected] skype: ldubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote: > >>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind
of
page.
>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? >> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. > And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I > should have started another thread. >>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview% 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F> I see >>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However, >>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not >>> doing that? >> >> Are we? > Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no > xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> cookies. >> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the “remember me” option. > After I visited xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s home page I have cookies for: > - xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> : > - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) > - JSESSIONID > - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good > example for the others!) > - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?)
ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice page. Thanks!
Done: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview% 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
Thanks -Vincent
-Vincent
> > So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should > also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies > (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). > > Paul
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 07 Sep 2016, at 10:51, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Don`t forget MouseFlow. Also, links to the services would probably be a good thing.
Good point. I’ve added: - mouseflow - active installs
Google Analytics?
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Eduard
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In France it's "Directeur de la publication". I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both
Vincent
and
me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok I believe.
I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which happens to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it).
Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>. It doesn’t operate it.
Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
"dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier, les mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the creator (pointing to the active commiters sounds good)
Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a
french
version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not.
At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/ professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228 <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises% 2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that way if we can.
Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we can keep it like that for now..
Ludovic
I think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least
the
home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in French even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says what to do for a english language site published in France.
I think we’re fine for now.
Thanks -Vincent
Ludovic
Ludovic
-- *Ludovic Dubost* *Founder and CEO* [email protected] skype: ldubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
> >> >> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of page. >>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? >>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. >> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I >> should have started another thread. >>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview% 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F> I see >>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. However, >>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not >>>> doing that? >>> >>> Are we? >> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no >> xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> cookies. >>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the “remember me” option. >> After I visited xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s home page I have cookies for: >> - xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> : >> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) >> - JSESSIONID >> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good >> example for the others!) >> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) > > ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice page. Thanks!
Done: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview% 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F>
Thanks -Vincent
> -Vincent > >> >> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should >> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies >> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). >> >> Paul
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On 07 Sep 2016, at 11:46, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 12:29 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 07 Sep 2016, at 10:51, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Don`t forget MouseFlow. Also, links to the services would probably be a good thing.
Good point. I’ve added: - mouseflow - active installs
Google Analytics?
Already there. Thanks -Vincent
Thanks
-Vincent
Thanks, Eduard
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 5:54 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:32, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I think we might also need to have a name like Paul is mentioning. In France it's "Directeur de la publication". I don't think it's ok that we only mention the company. As both
Vincent
and
me are legal representatives of XWiki SAS any of our names would be ok I believe.
I’ve already added a section about this. There’s no "Directeur de la publication". This is a community site where anyone can edit and governed by a Governance page (linked). I’ve given names already about people who provide oversight, by linking to the active committers list (which happens to be failing right now but that’s another matter, I need to fix it).
Also, XWiki SAS is just hosting xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>. It doesn’t operate it.
Indeed so we would be in the case of a non-commercial site:
"dans le cas d'un site non commercial ou d'un blog d'un particulier, les mentions légales doivent indiquer les nom, prénom, adresse et numéro de téléphone du créateur du site et de l'hébergeur."
which means me need to state the hoster (XWiki SAS + OVH) and the creator (pointing to the active commiters sounds good)
Also given that we are hosted in France, I think we might need a
french
version of this section, but I'm not sure if this is required or not.
At least it’s not listed on https://www.service-public.fr/ professionnels-entreprises/vosdroits/F31228 <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.service-public.fr%2Fprofessionnels-entreprises% 2Fvosdroits%2FF31228>
And we can also add one when someone someone contacts us and ask us for one. Right now all our pages are in English so I’d rather keep it that way if we can.
Difficult to know if french language is implicit or not.. but indeed we can keep it like that for now..
Ludovic
I think that in french the valid link visible on any page or at least
the
home page is "Mentions Legales". We might need to have the word in French even though the site is in english.. But again I haven't checked what the exact requirements are. Maybe we can find a document online that says what to do for a english language site published in France.
I think we’re fine for now.
Thanks -Vincent
Ludovic
Ludovic
-- *Ludovic Dubost* *Founder and CEO* [email protected] skype: ldubost Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.ludovic.org>
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 2:15 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:12, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> On 02 Sep 2016, at 14:09, Paul Libbrecht <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>>> Note that each country has a different requirement for this kind of > page. >>>>> Maybe this is a place to asllocate for all wikis? >>>> Not sure I understand what you mean. This site is hosted in France. >>> And I was talking about extending to other countries but probably I >>> should have started another thread. >>>>> PS: in the http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview% 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F> I > see >>>>> that you're talking of a cookie, which is probably EU-required. > However, >>>>> the text doesn't say that we set cookies from the start on; are we not >>>>> doing that? >>>> >>>> Are we? >>> Yes, we are. I just tried with an almost virgin firefox. It had no >>> xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> cookies. >>>> I thought the cookie was only created when you’re checking the > “remember me” option. >>> After I visited xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org>'s home page I have cookies for: >>> - xwiki.org <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fxwiki.org> : >>> - _cfduid (cloudflare loves tracking so as to protect against attackers) >>> - JSESSIONID >>> - _ga, _gat: Google analytics which we are using (not a very good >>> example for the others!) >>> - mf_user and some mf_xxx (maybe cloudflare?) >> >> ah yes I had forgotten about google analytics. Updating the legal notice > page. Thanks! > > Done: > http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/ <https://r.clb.pt/r/e7fbebe91dd7e4fa8dd375f861ec71 ce?d=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.xwiki.org%2Fxwiki%2Fbin%2Fview% 2FMain%2FLegalNotice%2F> > > Thanks > -Vincent > >> -Vincent >> >>> >>> So in addition to saying that we set cookies for any visit, we should >>> also that we let third-party service delivery companies also set cookies >>> (Cloudflare Inc, Google Inc, and XX). >>> >>> Paul
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On 02 Sep 2016, at 13:27, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
The best place would be the "About" section.
ok. Doing it. FTR, example on www.lemonde.fr. In the footer it’s named “Mentions légales” and goes to: http://moncompte.lemonde.fr/mentions-legales
What will be the name? "Legal”?
I’d say "Legal notice”. Example on xwiki.com: http://www.xwiki.com/en/ Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Benjamin Lanciaux < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi XWiki Committers,
I'm +1 with the page you created Vincent. About the place where we could display it, I suggest in the footer in the "About" section just after "Sponsors".
WDYT?
Thanks,
Benjamin
2016-09-02 10:46 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>:
Hi xwiki committers,
According to the French law we have to have a legal notice page on xwiki.org, see: https://www.service-public.fr/professionnels-entreprises/ vosdroits/F31228
I’ve thus created http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/LegalNotice/
WDYT? Anything to add?
Now we need to link it, somewhere in the footer.
@Caty: would you have any idea of where would be the best place?
Thanks -Vincent
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