[xwiki-devs] [Brainstorm] Notifications filters capabilities and performances.
Hi developers. I am trying to add a new filter to the notifications to be able to follow pages that are marked with a given tag. And it leads me to some questions about the technical implementation of the notifications. To remind the context: notifications are computed on top of the events recorded by the event stream (a.k.a activity stream). We take events from the event stream SQL table, we apply some transformations on them, and we display them to the user. Then we have implemented the ability to filter on these events: for example "don't show events concerning the document A nor the wiki B". Filters are implemented with 2 distinct ways: 1/ SQL injections: each filter can add SQL elements in the query we make to fetch the events from the event stream table. We made this mechanism so we can let the database do a lot of the filtering process. After all, it's its job and it's supposed to perform well. To be precise, Clement has even created an Abstract Syntax Tree (AST) so it's easier to inject some content in the query and it creates an abstraction over the SQL language so we can even consider to change the storage of the event stream someday. The bad thing is that some complex filtering are difficult to write with the SQL language (event with the AST) or even impossible. 2/ Post-filtering: after the events have been fetched from the database, each filter can still decide to keep or filter them. This is useful for complex filtering that cannot be expressed with the SQL language. It is also needed by the real-time notification email sender, because it takes the events immediately when they occurs without fetching them in the database (so SQL filters are bypassed). The bad thing is that some events are loaded in the memory to finally be rejected, and these filters can perform costly operations such as loading documents. Until now, this double mechanism was working quite well, with each mechanism filling the lacks of the other. However, we still have technical limitations in our design: 1/ Users who have a lot of filter preferences can end up with a giant SQL query that is almost impossible to perform by the database. Actually we had a user complaining about an OutOfMemory problem in the HQL to SQL translator ! 2/ I cannot implement the tag filter ! The tag filter is supposed to show events that concern pages that hold a given tag, EVEN IF THE PAGE WAS EXCLUDED BY THE USER. Example of use-case: "I don't want to receive notifications about wiki A except for pages marked with the tag T". And it is not working. First because it is difficult to write a SQL query for that. It requires to make a join clause with the document and the object tables, which our SQL injection mechanism does not support. Even if it were possible, creating a SQL join with the document table will de-facto filter events that do not concern any pages or pages that do not have any objects: so many other filters will be broken. I also don't consider creating a SQL subquery, I think the whole query would became too big. So I decided to just not inject any SQL code for this filter and only implement the post-filtering mechanism. But the other filter "EXCLUDE WIKI A" generates a SQL injection such as "WIKI <> 'WIKI A'" so the events concerning the wiki A are not fetched from the database. Consequence: the tag filter never see the events that it is supposed to keep. It would be actually possible to by-pass the first SQL injections by injecting something like "OR 1=1". But doing something like this is like dropping the all SQL injections mechanism. I see some solutions for this problem: A/ For each tag, create a permanent list of pages that hold it. So I can inject "OR document IN (that_list)". I think this is heavy. B/ Drop the SQL injection mechanism and only rely on the post-filtering mechanism. It would require to load from the database A LOT of events, but maybe we could cache this. C/ Don't drop the SQL injection mechanism completely but use it as little as possible (for example, do not use it for LOCATION filtering). Seems hard to determine when a filter should use this feature or not. D/ Don't implement the "tags" filter, since it is the root of the issue. But it is like sweeping dirt under the carpet! Since we have the OutOfMemory problem with the SQL injections becoming too huge, I am more in favor of solution B or C. But I'm not sure for now, since I do not know how much it would impact the performances and the scalability of the whole notifications feature. This is a complex topic, but I hope this message will inspire you some suggestions or things I have not seen with my own eyes. Thanks for your help, Guillaume
For the tags filter, I can also: * perform a query to fetch all documents that correspond to the given tags (it doesn't need to be permanent, but it would be better to cache it) * add a HQL filter on these pages (OR document IN :list_of_pages). It's a little variation of solution A. It's ugly but it could do the job. 2018-06-27 12:58 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < [email protected]>:
Hi developers.
I am trying to add a new filter to the notifications to be able to follow pages that are marked with a given tag. And it leads me to some questions about the technical implementation of the notifications.
To remind the context: notifications are computed on top of the events recorded by the event stream (a.k.a activity stream). We take events from the event stream SQL table, we apply some transformations on them, and we display them to the user.
Then we have implemented the ability to filter on these events: for example "don't show events concerning the document A nor the wiki B". Filters are implemented with 2 distinct ways:
1/ SQL injections: each filter can add SQL elements in the query we make to fetch the events from the event stream table. We made this mechanism so we can let the database do a lot of the filtering process. After all, it's its job and it's supposed to perform well. To be precise, Clement has even created an Abstract Syntax Tree (AST) so it's easier to inject some content in the query and it creates an abstraction over the SQL language so we can even consider to change the storage of the event stream someday.
The bad thing is that some complex filtering are difficult to write with the SQL language (event with the AST) or even impossible.
2/ Post-filtering: after the events have been fetched from the database, each filter can still decide to keep or filter them. This is useful for complex filtering that cannot be expressed with the SQL language. It is also needed by the real-time notification email sender, because it takes the events immediately when they occurs without fetching them in the database (so SQL filters are bypassed).
The bad thing is that some events are loaded in the memory to finally be rejected, and these filters can perform costly operations such as loading documents.
Until now, this double mechanism was working quite well, with each mechanism filling the lacks of the other.
However, we still have technical limitations in our design:
1/ Users who have a lot of filter preferences can end up with a giant SQL query that is almost impossible to perform by the database. Actually we had a user complaining about an OutOfMemory problem in the HQL to SQL translator !
2/ I cannot implement the tag filter !
The tag filter is supposed to show events that concern pages that hold a given tag, EVEN IF THE PAGE WAS EXCLUDED BY THE USER. Example of use-case: "I don't want to receive notifications about wiki A except for pages marked with the tag T".
And it is not working. First because it is difficult to write a SQL query for that. It requires to make a join clause with the document and the object tables, which our SQL injection mechanism does not support. Even if it were possible, creating a SQL join with the document table will de-facto filter events that do not concern any pages or pages that do not have any objects: so many other filters will be broken. I also don't consider creating a SQL subquery, I think the whole query would became too big. So I decided to just not inject any SQL code for this filter and only implement the post-filtering mechanism.
But the other filter "EXCLUDE WIKI A" generates a SQL injection such as "WIKI <> 'WIKI A'" so the events concerning the wiki A are not fetched from the database. Consequence: the tag filter never see the events that it is supposed to keep. It would be actually possible to by-pass the first SQL injections by injecting something like "OR 1=1". But doing something like this is like dropping the all SQL injections mechanism.
I see some solutions for this problem:
A/ For each tag, create a permanent list of pages that hold it. So I can inject "OR document IN (that_list)". I think this is heavy.
B/ Drop the SQL injection mechanism and only rely on the post-filtering mechanism. It would require to load from the database A LOT of events, but maybe we could cache this.
C/ Don't drop the SQL injection mechanism completely but use it as little as possible (for example, do not use it for LOCATION filtering). Seems hard to determine when a filter should use this feature or not.
D/ Don't implement the "tags" filter, since it is the root of the issue. But it is like sweeping dirt under the carpet!
Since we have the OutOfMemory problem with the SQL injections becoming too huge, I am more in favor of solution B or C. But I'm not sure for now, since I do not know how much it would impact the performances and the scalability of the whole notifications feature.
This is a complex topic, but I hope this message will inspire you some suggestions or things I have not seen with my own eyes.
Thanks for your help,
Guillaume
-- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project
The two main problems that I see are that you're mixing two separate things: 1. Tags which are stored in one place, and events which are stored in a different place 2. Again tags, and document locations. They may seem similar, but they are completely different as they are implemented. That's why saying "not in this wiki, except for this tag" cannot ever be implemented in a sane way since the exception is on a different plane. The logical approach would be to also store the tags in the events, but this is not a good thing to do. Where do we stop? For future-proofing filters, we would have to store the entire document in the event, in case someone wants to add a filter on "documents with a specific type of object attached", or "documents with a specific value for a specific property of a specific object", or "documents with attachments ending in .extension". On 06/28/2018 04:44 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau wrote:
For the tags filter, I can also:
* perform a query to fetch all documents that correspond to the given tags (it doesn't need to be permanent, but it would be better to cache it) * add a HQL filter on these pages (OR document IN :list_of_pages).
It's a little variation of solution A. It's ugly but it could do the job.
It's the sanest proposal so far, but still impossible. Since "not in LOCATION except WITH TAG" doesn't work because it mixes two types of information in the same query fragment, how about making this a one-dimensional query as "only WITH TAG". And since this information is in a different place, pre-querying it is needed. However, if there are thousands or tens/hundreds of thousands of documents with a tag, won't the query crash anyway?
2018-06-27 12:58 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < [email protected]>:
Hi developers.
I am trying to add a new filter to the notifications to be able to follow pages that are marked with a given tag. And it leads me to some questions about the technical implementation of the notifications.
To remind the context: notifications are computed on top of the events recorded by the event stream (a.k.a activity stream). We take events from the event stream SQL table, we apply some transformations on them, and we display them to the user.
Then we have implemented the ability to filter on these events: for example "don't show events concerning the document A nor the wiki B". Filters are implemented with 2 distinct ways:
1/ SQL injections: each filter can add SQL elements in the query we make to fetch the events from the event stream table. We made this mechanism so we can let the database do a lot of the filtering process. After all, it's its job and it's supposed to perform well. To be precise, Clement has even created an Abstract Syntax Tree (AST) so it's easier to inject some content in the query and it creates an abstraction over the SQL language so we can even consider to change the storage of the event stream someday.
The bad thing is that some complex filtering are difficult to write with the SQL language (event with the AST) or even impossible.
2/ Post-filtering: after the events have been fetched from the database, each filter can still decide to keep or filter them. This is useful for complex filtering that cannot be expressed with the SQL language. It is also needed by the real-time notification email sender, because it takes the events immediately when they occurs without fetching them in the database (so SQL filters are bypassed).
The bad thing is that some events are loaded in the memory to finally be rejected, and these filters can perform costly operations such as loading documents.
Until now, this double mechanism was working quite well, with each mechanism filling the lacks of the other.
However, we still have technical limitations in our design:
1/ Users who have a lot of filter preferences can end up with a giant SQL query that is almost impossible to perform by the database. Actually we had a user complaining about an OutOfMemory problem in the HQL to SQL translator !
2/ I cannot implement the tag filter !
The tag filter is supposed to show events that concern pages that hold a given tag, EVEN IF THE PAGE WAS EXCLUDED BY THE USER. Example of use-case: "I don't want to receive notifications about wiki A except for pages marked with the tag T".
And it is not working. First because it is difficult to write a SQL query for that. It requires to make a join clause with the document and the object tables, which our SQL injection mechanism does not support. Even if it were possible, creating a SQL join with the document table will de-facto filter events that do not concern any pages or pages that do not have any objects: so many other filters will be broken. I also don't consider creating a SQL subquery, I think the whole query would became too big. So I decided to just not inject any SQL code for this filter and only implement the post-filtering mechanism.
But the other filter "EXCLUDE WIKI A" generates a SQL injection such as "WIKI <> 'WIKI A'" so the events concerning the wiki A are not fetched from the database. Consequence: the tag filter never see the events that it is supposed to keep. It would be actually possible to by-pass the first SQL injections by injecting something like "OR 1=1". But doing something like this is like dropping the all SQL injections mechanism.
I see some solutions for this problem:
A/ For each tag, create a permanent list of pages that hold it. So I can inject "OR document IN (that_list)". I think this is heavy.
Definitely not. You'll have to maintain this list in parallel to the canonical storage for tags, the xwikidoc table itself, with all the headaches that data duplication brings.
B/ Drop the SQL injection mechanism and only rely on the post-filtering mechanism. It would require to load from the database A LOT of events, but maybe we could cache this.
Nope, filtering millions of events by inspecting them one by one is a performance nightmare.
C/ Don't drop the SQL injection mechanism completely but use it as little as possible (for example, do not use it for LOCATION filtering). Seems hard to determine when a filter should use this feature or not.
I think location filtering should still happen in the query itself, since it is a lot faster.
D/ Don't implement the "tags" filter, since it is the root of the issue. But it is like sweeping dirt under the carpet!
Well, not implementing something is always the fastest, least intrusive solution to any problem... Humor aside, I think that in this case it is the best approach.
Since we have the OutOfMemory problem with the SQL injections becoming too huge, I am more in favor of solution B or C. But I'm not sure for now, since I do not know how much it would impact the performances and the scalability of the whole notifications feature.
This is a complex topic, but I hope this message will inspire you some suggestions or things I have not seen with my own eyes.
Thanks for your help,
Guillaume
Other options: E/ Drop SQL altogether, move the event stream into a nosql database, and do stream filtering; kind of like the B proposal F/ Drop SQL and querying altogether, switch to a pub-sub mechanism where a subscriber is created for every user and his filters, and matching events are placed in a queue until they are all sent (consumed) in a notification. Obviously, this only works for email notifications, not for browsing past events in a webpage. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
Hi, With the complexity of the additive filtering system, it's kind of normal to see OOM errors. AFAIR we already talked about that a year ago, when looking at how we could implement this feature. On 06/29/2018 05:41 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
The two main problems that I see are that you're mixing two separate things:
1. Tags which are stored in one place, and events which are stored in a different place 2. Again tags, and document locations. They may seem similar, but they are completely different as they are implemented. That's why saying "not in this wiki, except for this tag" cannot ever be implemented in a sane way since the exception is on a different plane.
The logical approach would be to also store the tags in the events, but this is not a good thing to do. Where do we stop? For future-proofing filters, we would have to store the entire document in the event, in case someone wants to add a filter on "documents with a specific type of object attached", or "documents with a specific value for a specific property of a specific object", or "documents with attachments ending in .extension".
On 06/28/2018 04:44 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau wrote:
For the tags filter, I can also:
* perform a query to fetch all documents that correspond to the given tags (it doesn't need to be permanent, but it would be better to cache it) * add a HQL filter on these pages (OR document IN :list_of_pages).
It's a little variation of solution A. It's ugly but it could do the job.
It's the sanest proposal so far, but still impossible.
Since "not in LOCATION except WITH TAG" doesn't work because it mixes two types of information in the same query fragment, how about making this a one-dimensional query as "only WITH TAG". And since this information is in a different place, pre-querying it is needed. However, if there are thousands or tens/hundreds of thousands of documents with a tag, won't the query crash anyway?
2018-06-27 12:58 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < [email protected]>:
Hi developers.
I am trying to add a new filter to the notifications to be able to follow pages that are marked with a given tag. And it leads me to some questions about the technical implementation of the notifications.
To remind the context: notifications are computed on top of the events recorded by the event stream (a.k.a activity stream). We take events from the event stream SQL table, we apply some transformations on them, and we display them to the user.
Then we have implemented the ability to filter on these events: for example "don't show events concerning the document A nor the wiki B". Filters are implemented with 2 distinct ways:
1/ SQL injections: each filter can add SQL elements in the query we make to fetch the events from the event stream table. We made this mechanism so we can let the database do a lot of the filtering process. After all, it's its job and it's supposed to perform well. To be precise, Clement has even created an Abstract Syntax Tree (AST) so it's easier to inject some content in the query and it creates an abstraction over the SQL language so we can even consider to change the storage of the event stream someday.
The bad thing is that some complex filtering are difficult to write with the SQL language (event with the AST) or even impossible.
2/ Post-filtering: after the events have been fetched from the database, each filter can still decide to keep or filter them. This is useful for complex filtering that cannot be expressed with the SQL language. It is also needed by the real-time notification email sender, because it takes the events immediately when they occurs without fetching them in the database (so SQL filters are bypassed).
The bad thing is that some events are loaded in the memory to finally be rejected, and these filters can perform costly operations such as loading documents.
Until now, this double mechanism was working quite well, with each mechanism filling the lacks of the other.
However, we still have technical limitations in our design:
1/ Users who have a lot of filter preferences can end up with a giant SQL query that is almost impossible to perform by the database. Actually we had a user complaining about an OutOfMemory problem in the HQL to SQL translator !
2/ I cannot implement the tag filter !
The tag filter is supposed to show events that concern pages that hold a given tag, EVEN IF THE PAGE WAS EXCLUDED BY THE USER. Example of use-case: "I don't want to receive notifications about wiki A except for pages marked with the tag T".
And it is not working. First because it is difficult to write a SQL query for that. It requires to make a join clause with the document and the object tables, which our SQL injection mechanism does not support. Even if it were possible, creating a SQL join with the document table will de-facto filter events that do not concern any pages or pages that do not have any objects: so many other filters will be broken. I also don't consider creating a SQL subquery, I think the whole query would became too big. So I decided to just not inject any SQL code for this filter and only implement the post-filtering mechanism.
But the other filter "EXCLUDE WIKI A" generates a SQL injection such as "WIKI <> 'WIKI A'" so the events concerning the wiki A are not fetched from the database. Consequence: the tag filter never see the events that it is supposed to keep. It would be actually possible to by-pass the first SQL injections by injecting something like "OR 1=1". But doing something like this is like dropping the all SQL injections mechanism.
I see some solutions for this problem:
A/ For each tag, create a permanent list of pages that hold it. So I can inject "OR document IN (that_list)". I think this is heavy.
Definitely not. You'll have to maintain this list in parallel to the canonical storage for tags, the xwikidoc table itself, with all the headaches that data duplication brings.
B/ Drop the SQL injection mechanism and only rely on the post-filtering mechanism. It would require to load from the database A LOT of events, but maybe we could cache this.
Nope, filtering millions of events by inspecting them one by one is a performance nightmare.
C/ Don't drop the SQL injection mechanism completely but use it as little as possible (for example, do not use it for LOCATION filtering). Seems hard to determine when a filter should use this feature or not.
I think location filtering should still happen in the query itself, since it is a lot faster.
D/ Don't implement the "tags" filter, since it is the root of the issue. But it is like sweeping dirt under the carpet!
Well, not implementing something is always the fastest, least intrusive solution to any problem...
Humor aside, I think that in this case it is the best approach.
Since we have the OutOfMemory problem with the SQL injections becoming too huge, I am more in favor of solution B or C. But I'm not sure for now, since I do not know how much it would impact the performances and the scalability of the whole notifications feature.
This is a complex topic, but I hope this message will inspire you some suggestions or things I have not seen with my own eyes.
Thanks for your help,
Guillaume
Other options:
E/ Drop SQL altogether, move the event stream into a nosql database, and do stream filtering; kind of like the B proposal
F/ Drop SQL and querying altogether, switch to a pub-sub mechanism where a subscriber is created for every user and his filters, and matching events are placed in a queue until they are all sent (consumed) in a notification. Obviously, this only works for email notifications, not for browsing past events in a webpage.
Note that the notification filtering system isn't dependent from SQL: filters implement their conditions through an AST that gets translated to SQL by the default manager in charge of retrieving the notifications. This means that switching from SQL to something else shouldn't break backward compat of the notification filters already developed. @Sergiu: (also AFAIR) option E was considered but not implemented as it would have taken a lot of time to do ; still a nice idea IMO. A mix of the options E and F could be the nicest IMO : adding a NoSQL DB between the event stream and the UI so that notifications are picked up from the ES, filtered and put into the NoSQL DB in a separate thread. This is AFAIK the most widely used solution for important platforms. However, this solution needs to be wisely considered it could increase the complexity of an XWiki install and / or significantly increase the size of the distribution artifacts that we produce. (Also, it takes time to implement OFC). Thanks, Clément
Hi Clément, 2018-06-29 13:34 GMT+02:00 Clément Aubin <[email protected]>:
Hi,
With the complexity of the additive filtering system, it's kind of normal to see OOM errors. AFAIR we already talked about that a year ago, when looking at how we could implement this feature.
We could try to improve a bit the situation by "optimizing" the filters. For example, we can currently end up with filters like these: - filter events about SpaceA.PageB - filter events about SpaceA.PageC - filter events about SpaceA. Obviously the 2 first filters can be removed since the third one is already doing their job. I've tried to minimize the number of unnecessary filters by not creating a new one if the page is already concerned by a wider filter, but it won't fix existing filters. An other example is the watch list bridge that simply convert the list of watched pages as they were in the previous version of XWiki and translate them to the same number of filters. This may explain many of the OOM problems. It is even enforced by the fact we had (and we still have) the "autowatch" mode enabled by default. So a filter optimizer could be a great help.
On 06/29/2018 05:41 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
The two main problems that I see are that you're mixing two separate things:
1. Tags which are stored in one place, and events which are stored in a different place 2. Again tags, and document locations. They may seem similar, but they are completely different as they are implemented. That's why saying "not in this wiki, except for this tag" cannot ever be implemented in a sane way since the exception is on a different plane.
The logical approach would be to also store the tags in the events, but this is not a good thing to do. Where do we stop? For future-proofing filters, we would have to store the entire document in the event, in case someone wants to add a filter on "documents with a specific type of object attached", or "documents with a specific value for a specific property of a specific object", or "documents with attachments ending in .extension".
On 06/28/2018 04:44 PM, Guillaume Delhumeau wrote:
For the tags filter, I can also:
* perform a query to fetch all documents that correspond to the given tags (it doesn't need to be permanent, but it would be better to cache it) * add a HQL filter on these pages (OR document IN :list_of_pages).
It's a little variation of solution A. It's ugly but it could do the job.
It's the sanest proposal so far, but still impossible.
Since "not in LOCATION except WITH TAG" doesn't work because it mixes two types of information in the same query fragment, how about making this a one-dimensional query as "only WITH TAG". And since this information is in a different place, pre-querying it is needed. However, if there are thousands or tens/hundreds of thousands of documents with a tag, won't the query crash anyway?
2018-06-27 12:58 GMT+02:00 Guillaume Delhumeau < [email protected]>:
Hi developers.
I am trying to add a new filter to the notifications to be able to follow pages that are marked with a given tag. And it leads me to some questions about the technical implementation of the notifications.
To remind the context: notifications are computed on top of the events recorded by the event stream (a.k.a activity stream). We take events from the event stream SQL table, we apply some transformations on them, and we display them to the user.
Then we have implemented the ability to filter on these events: for example "don't show events concerning the document A nor the wiki B". Filters are implemented with 2 distinct ways:
1/ SQL injections: each filter can add SQL elements in the query we make to fetch the events from the event stream table. We made this mechanism so we can let the database do a lot of the filtering process. After all, it's its job and it's supposed to perform well. To be precise, Clement has even created an Abstract Syntax Tree (AST) so it's easier to inject some content in the query and it creates an abstraction over the SQL language so we can even consider to change the storage of the event stream someday.
The bad thing is that some complex filtering are difficult to write with the SQL language (event with the AST) or even impossible.
2/ Post-filtering: after the events have been fetched from the database, each filter can still decide to keep or filter them. This is useful for complex filtering that cannot be expressed with the SQL language. It is also needed by the real-time notification email sender, because it takes the events immediately when they occurs without fetching them in the database (so SQL filters are bypassed).
The bad thing is that some events are loaded in the memory to finally be rejected, and these filters can perform costly operations such as loading documents.
Until now, this double mechanism was working quite well, with each mechanism filling the lacks of the other.
However, we still have technical limitations in our design:
1/ Users who have a lot of filter preferences can end up with a giant SQL query that is almost impossible to perform by the database. Actually we had a user complaining about an OutOfMemory problem in the HQL to SQL translator !
2/ I cannot implement the tag filter !
The tag filter is supposed to show events that concern pages that hold a given tag, EVEN IF THE PAGE WAS EXCLUDED BY THE USER. Example of use-case: "I don't want to receive notifications about wiki A except for pages marked with the tag T".
And it is not working. First because it is difficult to write a SQL query for that. It requires to make a join clause with the document and the object tables, which our SQL injection mechanism does not support. Even if it were possible, creating a SQL join with the document table will de-facto filter events that do not concern any pages or pages that do not have any objects: so many other filters will be broken. I also don't consider creating a SQL subquery, I think the whole query would became too big. So I decided to just not inject any SQL code for this filter and only implement the post-filtering mechanism.
But the other filter "EXCLUDE WIKI A" generates a SQL injection such as "WIKI <> 'WIKI A'" so the events concerning the wiki A are not fetched from the database. Consequence: the tag filter never see the events that it is supposed to keep. It would be actually possible to by-pass the first SQL injections by injecting something like "OR 1=1". But doing something like this is like dropping the all SQL injections mechanism.
I see some solutions for this problem:
A/ For each tag, create a permanent list of pages that hold it. So I can inject "OR document IN (that_list)". I think this is heavy.
Definitely not. You'll have to maintain this list in parallel to the canonical storage for tags, the xwikidoc table itself, with all the headaches that data duplication brings.
B/ Drop the SQL injection mechanism and only rely on the post-filtering mechanism. It would require to load from the database A LOT of events, but maybe we could cache this.
Nope, filtering millions of events by inspecting them one by one is a performance nightmare.
C/ Don't drop the SQL injection mechanism completely but use it as little as possible (for example, do not use it for LOCATION filtering). Seems hard to determine when a filter should use this feature or not.
I think location filtering should still happen in the query itself, since it is a lot faster.
D/ Don't implement the "tags" filter, since it is the root of the issue. But it is like sweeping dirt under the carpet!
Well, not implementing something is always the fastest, least intrusive solution to any problem...
Humor aside, I think that in this case it is the best approach.
Since we have the OutOfMemory problem with the SQL injections becoming too huge, I am more in favor of solution B or C. But I'm not sure for now, since I do not know how much it would impact the performances and the scalability of the whole notifications feature.
This is a complex topic, but I hope this message will inspire you some suggestions or things I have not seen with my own eyes.
Thanks for your help,
Guillaume
Other options:
E/ Drop SQL altogether, move the event stream into a nosql database, and do stream filtering; kind of like the B proposal
F/ Drop SQL and querying altogether, switch to a pub-sub mechanism where a subscriber is created for every user and his filters, and matching events are placed in a queue until they are all sent (consumed) in a notification. Obviously, this only works for email notifications, not for browsing past events in a webpage.
Note that the notification filtering system isn't dependent from SQL: filters implement their conditions through an AST that gets translated to SQL by the default manager in charge of retrieving the notifications. This means that switching from SQL to something else shouldn't break backward compat of the notification filters already developed.
Might be harder than expected in practice, but it's indeed a great thing that we have this AST.
@Sergiu: (also AFAIR) option E was considered but not implemented as it would have taken a lot of time to do ; still a nice idea IMO.
A mix of the options E and F could be the nicest IMO : adding a NoSQL DB between the event stream and the UI so that notifications are picked up from the ES, filtered and put into the NoSQL DB in a separate thread. This is AFAIK the most widely used solution for important platforms.
However, this solution needs to be wisely considered it could increase the complexity of an XWiki install and / or significantly increase the size of the distribution artifacts that we produce. (Also, it takes time to implement OFC).
Notifications is a complex "science" that would require almost the same consideration than the search engine :)
Thanks, Clément
Thanks for your help. Note that we still have no answer for this problem. The ugly solution "getting all pages that are marked with a given tag before generating the query for notifications" is already in place in AS, so at least we won't do worse ! Guillaume
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Clément Aubin -
Guillaume Delhumeau -
Sergiu Dumitriu