[xwiki-devs] Visual way to display a document reference?
Hi, We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex: Source wiki: <wiki name> Source space: <space name> Source page: <page name> However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so... I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference. Two ideas: http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png WDYT? Any more ideas? Thanks -Vincent
Hi, we could display it a bit the same way than we display it in the top document menu in XE (similar to idea 1 in your image). Guillaume On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas:
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
WDYT? Any more ideas?
Thanks -Vincent
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Hi, On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
we could display it a bit the same way than we display it in the top document menu in XE (similar to idea 1 in your image).
+1. This is consistant.
Guillaume
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas:
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
WDYT? Any more ideas?
Thanks -Vincent
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On Feb 13, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
we could display it a bit the same way than we display it in the top document menu in XE (similar to idea 1 in your image).
+1. This is consistant.
Do you mean this: Mywiki >> Space: MySpace >> Page: MyPage We need some various mockups in situation to go further IMO. The top level menu is not very logical since the wiki part has no prefix (not sure why BTW). I'm also worried it's going to take a lot of space when put in situation but let's see some mockups. Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas:
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
WDYT? Any more ideas?
Thanks -Vincent
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:57 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
+1. This is consistant.
Do you mean this: Mywiki >> Space: MySpace >> Page: MyPage
We need some various mockups in situation to go further IMO. The top level menu is not very logical since the wiki part has no prefix (not sure why BTW).
It was initialy logical but early testers were puzzled to see "wiki: xwiki" everywhere (there's no pretty name for the wiki in non virtual mode). I agree it feels a bit weird but is has the advantage to lighten up and make a little less complex the top menu. JV.
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 13, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected] wrote:
Hi,
we could display it a bit the same way than we display it in the top document menu in XE (similar to idea 1 in your image).
+1. This is consistant.
Do you mean this: Mywiki >> Space: MySpace >> Page: MyPage
We need some various mockups in situation to go further IMO. The top level menu is not very logical since the wiki part has no prefix (not sure why BTW). I'm also worried it's going to take a lot of space when put in situation but let's see some mockups.
it was removed after on single wikis, but it is activated on multiwiki (example incubator.myxwiki.org) Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas:
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
WDYT? Any more ideas?
Thanks -Vincent
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Also when Rights UI was made another idea of navigation was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/RightsProposal#HLev... Thanks, Caty On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 13:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>wrote:
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 13, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < [email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
we could display it a bit the same way than we display it in the top document menu in XE (similar to idea 1 in your image).
+1. This is consistant.
Do you mean this: Mywiki >> Space: MySpace >> Page: MyPage
We need some various mockups in situation to go further IMO. The top level menu is not very logical since the wiki part has no prefix (not sure why BTW). I'm also worried it's going to take a lot of space when put in situation but let's see some mockups.
it was removed after on single wikis, but it is activated on multiwiki (example incubator.myxwiki.org)
Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas:
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
WDYT? Any more ideas?
Thanks -Vincent
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Variation for Copy form using menu reference style + suggest on wiki, space names http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WebHome/copyWit... Thanks, Caty On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 13:01, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>wrote:
Also when Rights UI was made another idea of navigation was proposed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/RightsProposal#HLev...
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 13:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 13, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < [email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
we could display it a bit the same way than we display it in the top document menu in XE (similar to idea 1 in your image).
+1. This is consistant.
Do you mean this: Mywiki >> Space: MySpace >> Page: MyPage
We need some various mockups in situation to go further IMO. The top level menu is not very logical since the wiki part has no prefix (not sure why BTW). I'm also worried it's going to take a lot of space when put in situation but let's see some mockups.
it was removed after on single wikis, but it is activated on multiwiki (example incubator.myxwiki.org)
Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas:
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
WDYT? Any more ideas?
Thanks -Vincent
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On Feb 17, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Variation for Copy form using menu reference style + suggest on wiki, space names
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WebHome/copyWit...
It looks nice and I like it. I wonder if it's not too visually distracting. I think I would have preferred something visual that looked more like it's a reference, maybe just a box around it would be enough (might be even more distracting...) So what are the places we could use this? - rename - copy - delete (in the delete confirmation message) Is this related to the colibri skin only? How do we offer a velocity macro for it that works for all skins (more specifically can the styling be done uniquely with CSS)? Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 13:01, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>wrote:
Also when Rights UI was made another idea of navigation was proposed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/RightsProposal#HLev...
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 13:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 13, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < [email protected]>wrote:
Hi,
we could display it a bit the same way than we display it in the top document menu in XE (similar to idea 1 in your image).
+1. This is consistant.
Do you mean this: Mywiki >> Space: MySpace >> Page: MyPage
We need some various mockups in situation to go further IMO. The top level menu is not very logical since the wiki part has no prefix (not sure why BTW). I'm also worried it's going to take a lot of space when put in situation but let's see some mockups.
it was removed after on single wikis, but it is activated on multiwiki (example incubator.myxwiki.org)
Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, > > We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for > ex: > - rename page > - copy page > etc > > One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete > parts, for ex: > > Source wiki: > <wiki name> > > Source space: > <space name> > > Source page: > <page name> > > However there are drawbacks: > 1) it takes space > 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to > do so... > > I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a > visual way to display a reference. > > Two ideas: > >
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
> > WDYT? > Any more ideas? > > Thanks > -Vincent
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Hi, On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 14:37, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 17, 2011, at 1:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:
Variation for Copy form using menu reference style + suggest on wiki, space names
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/WebHome/copyWit...
It looks nice and I like it. I wonder if it's not too visually distracting. I think I would have preferred something visual that looked more like it's a reference, maybe just a box around it would be enough (might be even more distracting...)
So what are the places we could use this?
- rename - copy - delete (in the delete confirmation message)
I like the "target location" part a lot. It's consistent with our use of vertical forms elsewhere. It could be used for rename, copy and also for create. The "source location" part is fine to me as well. We'd need to also use it in search results. Guillaume Is this related to the colibri skin only? How do we offer a velocity macro
for it that works for all skins (more specifically can the styling be done uniquely with CSS)?
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 13:01, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>wrote:
Also when Rights UI was made another idea of navigation was proposed:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/RightsProposal#HLev...
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 13:00, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Feb 13, 2011, at 10:29 AM, Thibaut Camberlin wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:36 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < [email protected]>wrote:
> Hi, > > we could display it a bit the same way than we display it in the top > document menu in XE (similar to idea 1 in your image). >
+1. This is consistant.
Do you mean this: Mywiki >> Space: MySpace >> Page: MyPage
We need some various mockups in situation to go further IMO. The top level menu is not very logical since the wiki part has no prefix (not
sure
why BTW). I'm also worried it's going to take a lot of space when put in situation but let's see some mockups.
it was removed after on single wikis, but it is activated on multiwiki (example incubator.myxwiki.org)
Thanks, Caty
Thanks -Vincent
> Guillaume > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We have several places where we need to display a document
reference;
for
>> ex: >> - rename page >> - copy page >> etc >> >> One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete >> parts, for ex: >> >> Source wiki: >> <wiki name> >> >> Source space: >> <space name> >> >> Source page: >> <page name> >> >> However there are drawbacks: >> 1) it takes space >> 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to >> do so... >> >> I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a >> visual way to display a reference. >> >> Two ideas: >> >> >
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
>> >> WDYT? >> Any more ideas? >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent
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I like the way it's done for paths in Ubuntu default Gnome theme which is pretty much the same things than the idea 1. Another idea that looks good too is the Windows 7 way of displaying paths. On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas: http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
WDYT? Any more ideas?
Thanks -Vincent
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-- Thomas Mortagne
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 15:01, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>wrote:
I like the way it's done for paths in Ubuntu default Gnome theme which is pretty much the same things than the idea 1.
Another idea that looks good too is the Windows 7 way of displaying paths.
Regarding the Windows 7 navigation, when action menus were proposed, there was also a idea for navigation http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuNavigatio... Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 12:30, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas:
http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
WDYT? Any more ideas?
Thanks -Vincent
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On 02/10/2011 12:30 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
+1 for the separation. We can make a nice UI for displaying nested spaces (I even have some ideas).
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas: http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
-1 for the second idea. Hover-triggered UI tend not to work on mobile devices. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
On Feb 13, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
On 02/10/2011 12:30 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
+1 for the separation. We can make a nice UI for displaying nested spaces (I even have some ideas).
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas: http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
-1 for the second idea. Hover-triggered UI tend not to work on mobile devices.
There are 2 proposals in the second idea. The first proposal has no hover. The question was more about separating completely the reference into discrete parts vs keeping the reference together and compact but with a visual way to easily identify each part in order to make it less technical and easier to use for end users. Thanks -Vincent
On 02/13/2011 08:23 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
On Feb 13, 2011, at 12:39 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
On 02/10/2011 12:30 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi,
We have several places where we need to display a document reference; for ex: - rename page - copy page etc
One solution is to not display the reference and break it into discrete parts, for ex:
Source wiki: <wiki name>
Source space: <space name>
Source page: <page name>
However there are drawbacks: 1) it takes space 2) when we introduced nested spaces it's going to be even more complex to do so...
+1 for the separation. We can make a nice UI for displaying nested spaces (I even have some ideas).
I was wondering if instead we couldn't go another way which is to have a visual way to display a reference.
Two ideas: http://tinycoke.com/_6rGYY9JXqpvD6/screen_shot_2011-02-10_at_12.29.24_pm.png
-1 for the second idea. Hover-triggered UI tend not to work on mobile devices.
There are 2 proposals in the second idea. The first proposal has no hover.
No, there are two ideas in the second proposal. I don't like the second idea. The first one, no comment yet.
The question was more about separating completely the reference into discrete parts vs keeping the reference together and compact but with a visual way to easily identify each part in order to make it less technical and easier to use for end users.
-- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
participants (7)
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Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) -
Guillaume Lerouge -
Jean-Vincent Drean -
Sergiu Dumitriu -
Thibaut Camberlin -
Thomas Mortagne -
Vincent Massol