[xwiki-devs] [Proposals] Menu improvements when Workspaces activated
Hi developers. Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated". The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. == Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Not logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin... You can get it from this commit: https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493... (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki". - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good. - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items. == Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we started to iterate until having this proposal: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop... B). Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing. == Proposal C == We had also this idea: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C) But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. --- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Mockup with the new skin: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu... B - "XWiki" right menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1! 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C. Louis-Marie
You forgot one proposal which I like: == Proposal D == * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example. What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki. Thanks -Vincent On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Not logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit: https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493... (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki". - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good. - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we started to iterate until having this proposal: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop... B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C) But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Mockup with the new skin: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
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On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** .... http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming. So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do?
Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu (Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index (Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index Thanks, Caty
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Indeed, the proposal A was based on http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. Let me recap: - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. -- About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing? Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Hi, 2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme. To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis. I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the
current
wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so
we
started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
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Hi. Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice. Thanks, Guillaume 2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
wikis
* It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus:
- Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
so we
started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should
I do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Hi devs, Here is my views on the current proposals: Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". -0, terms and menu options are not as appropriate as E, the duplication at main level is confusing. Proposal B : XWiki right side menu -1, please do not mix users and content. From end user POV, I am not sure XWiki, System or whatever could have any sense. Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu 0, could be a light way to do it, but prevent direct access to user administration, this is looks like a farm version. Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. -1, the logo could be customized or even removed, keeping the menu is usually easy, but keeping the logo and these functions could quickly became a nightmare on a customized site. Moreover, it also prevent direct user administration. Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. +1, this is my favorite right now, especially looking at the upcoming skin when the "Add" menu will be moved out of the top bar. I do not understand why we would like to hide the fact that the main wiki is "on top" of others wikis. This is currently true technically speaking, but it also make sense from a user and content POV. When used in the workspace configuration, the main wiki will hold the users but also the main home and welcome pages, the navigation between workspaces, the global activity stream, ... it is the entry point, the portal for all the subwikis. The only case where the main wiki get almost useless is in the farm configuration, but this is not our subject here. Therefore, I see proposal E as the one that represent real hierarchy properly for the end user. On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice.
Thanks, Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
wiki
* The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus:
- Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
so we
started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
should I do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
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Same as Denis. +1 for E (Caty's proposal). I don't like the rest. Thanks, Marius On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
Here is my views on the current proposals:
Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
-0, terms and menu options are not as appropriate as E, the duplication at main level is confusing.
Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
-1, please do not mix users and content. From end user POV, I am not sure XWiki, System or whatever could have any sense.
Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
0, could be a light way to do it, but prevent direct access to user administration, this is looks like a farm version.
Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
-1, the logo could be customized or even removed, keeping the menu is usually easy, but keeping the logo and these functions could quickly became a nightmare on a customized site. Moreover, it also prevent direct user administration.
Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
+1, this is my favorite right now, especially looking at the upcoming skin when the "Add" menu will be moved out of the top bar.
I do not understand why we would like to hide the fact that the main wiki is "on top" of others wikis. This is currently true technically speaking, but it also make sense from a user and content POV. When used in the workspace configuration, the main wiki will hold the users but also the main home and welcome pages, the navigation between workspaces, the global activity stream, ... it is the entry point, the portal for all the subwikis. The only case where the main wiki get almost useless is in the farm configuration, but this is not our subject here.
Therefore, I see proposal E as the one that represent real hierarchy properly for the end user.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice.
Thanks, Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
wiki
* The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi developers. > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces > activated". > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > == Proposal A == > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > Logged as admin: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > Not logged as admin: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > You can get it from this commit: >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus: > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu > "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. > It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > == Proposal B == > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > started to iterate until having this proposal: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> B). > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
> > == Proposal C == > We had also this idea: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > --- > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > Current implementation: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > Mockup with the new skin: >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > B - "XWiki" right menu: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a > consensus for the RC1! > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > -1 for proposal C. >
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
> Louis-Marie > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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+1 for E On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 9:07 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea <[email protected]> wrote:
Same as Denis.
+1 for E (Caty's proposal). I don't like the rest.
Thanks, Marius
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
Here is my views on the current proposals:
Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
-0, terms and menu options are not as appropriate as E, the duplication at main level is confusing.
Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
-1, please do not mix users and content. From end user POV, I am not sure XWiki, System or whatever could have any sense.
Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
0, could be a light way to do it, but prevent direct access to user administration, this is looks like a farm version.
Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
-1, the logo could be customized or even removed, keeping the menu is usually easy, but keeping the logo and these functions could quickly became a nightmare on a customized site. Moreover, it also prevent direct user administration.
Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
+1, this is my favorite right now, especially looking at the upcoming skin when the "Add" menu will be moved out of the top bar.
I do not understand why we would like to hide the fact that the main wiki is "on top" of others wikis. This is currently true technically speaking, but it also make sense from a user and content POV. When used in the workspace configuration, the main wiki will hold the users but also the main home and welcome pages, the navigation between workspaces, the global activity stream, ... it is the entry point, the portal for all the subwikis. The only case where the main wiki get almost useless is in the farm configuration, but this is not our subject here.
Therefore, I see proposal E as the one that represent real hierarchy properly for the end user.
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 3:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice.
Thanks, Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> You forgot one proposal which I like: > > == Proposal D == > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current
wiki
> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki > Index" for example. > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi developers. > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace > in > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > Workspaces > > activated". > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > > == Proposal A == > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > Logged as admin: > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > Not logged as admin: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > > > You can get it from this commit: > > >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > >
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
> menus: > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in > a > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > several > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > users > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu > > "System" or "XWiki". >
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > content. > > It does not look good. >
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: > once > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > - The left menu has too many items. >
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > > > == Proposal B == > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> > B). > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, > we > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > achieve > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > "System" > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing. >
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
> > > > == Proposal C == > > We had also this idea: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >
Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > > > --- > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? > Do > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > changed > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > Current implementation: > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > > Mockup with the new skin: > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > regarding > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a > > consensus for the RC1! > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > -1 for proposal C. > > >
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
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Hi! I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E. Thanks, Silvia On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice.
Thanks, Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other
wikis
* It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus:
- Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
so we
started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should
I do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
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+1 for E Regards, Sorin B. On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.
Thanks, Silvia
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice.
Thanks, Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi developers. > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces > activated". > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > == Proposal A == > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > Logged as admin: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Not logged as admin: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > You can get it from this commit: >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus: > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu > "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. > It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > == Proposal B == > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > started to iterate until having this proposal: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> B). > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
> > == Proposal C == > We had also this idea: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > --- > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > Current implementation: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> Mockup with the new skin: >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > B - "XWiki" right menu: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a > consensus for the RC1! > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > -1 for proposal C. >
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
> Louis-Marie > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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+1 for E. It's basically what Workspaces did from the start and that was the whole point: navigation, hierarchy and consistency. I believe the first users of Workspaces found it quite intuitive and nobody complained :) Side Note: I'm also against the notion of "System" in the UI that's recently being pushed. Thanks, Eduard On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sorin Burjan <[email protected]>wrote:
+1 for E
Regards, Sorin B.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.
Thanks, Silvia
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice.
Thanks, Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <
wrote:
> You forgot one proposal which I like: > > == Proposal D == > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki > Index" for example. > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi developers. > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace > in > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > Workspaces > > activated". > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > > == Proposal A == > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > Logged as admin: > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > Not logged as admin: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > > > You can get it from this commit: > > >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > >
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
> menus: > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in > a > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > several > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > users > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu > > "System" or "XWiki". >
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > content. > > It does not look good. >
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: > once > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > - The left menu has too many items. >
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > > > == Proposal B == > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> > B). > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, > we > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > achieve > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > "System" > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing. >
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
> > > > == Proposal C == > > We had also this idea: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >
Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > > > --- > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? > Do > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > changed > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > Current implementation: > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > Mockup with the new skin: > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > regarding > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a > > consensus for the RC1! > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > -1 for proposal C. > > >
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
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Thanks for your answers! It seems we have a winner, so I start working on E. Louis-Marie 2013/9/18 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>
+1 for E. It's basically what Workspaces did from the start and that was the whole point: navigation, hierarchy and consistency. I believe the first users of Workspaces found it quite intuitive and nobody complained :)
Side Note: I'm also against the notion of "System" in the UI that's recently being pushed.
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Sorin Burjan <[email protected]
wrote:
+1 for E
Regards, Sorin B.
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Silvia Rusu <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi!
I like Proposal E the best, so +1 for E.
Thanks, Silvia
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi.
Seems RC1 is soon, I encourage everybody to give his point of view in order to make a choice.
Thanks, Guillaume
2013/9/12 Jeremie BOUSQUET <[email protected]>
Hi,
2013/9/12 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
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About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
I would say: it depends. In "farm" concept it's almost completely useless, because different persons will administrate different subwikis of their own and someone else will administrate main wiki. In "workspace" concept, I find very useful to be able to administrate main wiki without having to browse to main wiki, because I may find myself wanting to administer main wiki just anytime, while I administer a subwiki merely to manage users allowed in this subwiki ... and, yes, install extensions and choose a color theme.
To be honest, I use 5.1 + Workspace extension, and I hardly have any issue with navigating through wikis, administering this or that etc ... The only thing I would miss, are some quick links to switch to a wiki or the other (instead of having to browse to a "Workspace directory" page), but this kind of thing does not really scale with numerous wikis.
I like Vincent's idea to tweak the home logo, as I never quite liked the idea of a "Home" menu - home in websites is typically the homepage, and nothing else.
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <
> wrote: > > > You forgot one proposal which I like: > > > > == Proposal D == > > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > entry > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > "Wiki > > Index" for example. > > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi developers. > > > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > Workspace > > in > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > > Workspaces > > > activated". > > > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I > have > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > > > > == Proposal A == > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > > Logged as admin: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Not logged as admin: > > > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > > > > > You can get it from this commit: > > > > > >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > > > > > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > In your screenshot is: > * Home > ** Administer Main Wiki > ** Wiki Directory > > What it was proposed: > * Home > ** Administration > ** Wikis Index > ** .... > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > - "Administration" > or > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current > > menus: > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are > in > > a > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > > > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > > several > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > "main" > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > > users > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > menu > > > "System" or "XWiki". > > > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > > content. > > > It does not look good. > > > > In the proposal there is > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: > > once > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > - The left menu has too many items. > > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> in > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > > > > > > > == Proposal B == > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> > > B). > > > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > side, > > we > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > > achieve > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > > "System" > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put > it > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > confusing. > > > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > own. > > > > > > > > == Proposal C == > > > We had also this idea: > > > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > > > > > > > --- > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > do? > > Do > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > > changed > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > > Current implementation: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Mockup with the new skin: > > > > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > > regarding > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have > a > > > consensus for the RC1! > > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > > -1 for proposal C. > > > > > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > * Home > ** Administration > ** --- > ** Wikis Index/Directory > ** Documents Index > > (Home/mainwiki) > * Home > ** Watch Home > ** Administer Home > ** --- > ** Wikis Index > ** Documents Index > > Thanks, > Caty > > > > > Louis-Marie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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To summarize my position: On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:39 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
-1
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
+1
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
-1
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
+1
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
+0 because I don't want to block this option that almost everyone seems to like. FTR what I still don't like with it: * There are various number of menus depending on whether you're on the main wiki or in a subwiki. I find it confusing. * I don't see the rationale for being able to do all wiki-level actions on the main wiki when you're in a subwiki. Thanks -Vincent
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About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenu instead of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E. I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu. What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. -Fabio
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About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe... in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 Thanks, LM 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus:
- Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
so we
started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I
do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only talking about the menu label here, not the content. WDYT ? On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus:
- Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
so we
started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
should I do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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-- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO
+1, I like this idea. Anyone else? 2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[email protected]>
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only talking about the menu label here, not the content.
WDYT ?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi developers. > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces > activated". > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > == Proposal A == > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > Logged as admin: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > Not logged as admin: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > You can get it from this commit: >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus: > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu > "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. > It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > == Proposal B == > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > started to iterate until having this proposal: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> B). > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
> > == Proposal C == > We had also this idea: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > --- > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > Current implementation: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > Mockup with the new skin: >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > B - "XWiki" right menu: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a > consensus for the RC1! > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > -1 for proposal C. >
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
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On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" <[email protected]> wrote:
+1, I like this idea.
Anyone else?
The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the menus which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>". If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right now I'm more +0. Thanks -Vincent
2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[email protected]>
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only talking about the menu label here, not the content.
WDYT ?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
wrote:
> You forgot one proposal which I like: > > == Proposal D == > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki > Index" for example. > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi developers. >> >> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace > in >> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > Workspaces >> activated". >> >> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have >> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >> >> == Proposal A == >> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >> Logged as admin: >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >> Not logged as admin: >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>> >> You can get it from this commit: >> >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >> >
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
> menus: >> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in > a >> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > several >> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" >> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > users >> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu >> "System" or "XWiki". >
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > content. >> It does not look good. >
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: > once >> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >> - The left menu has too many items. >
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
>> >> == Proposal B == >> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >> started to iterate until having this proposal: >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>> B). >> >> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, > we >> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > achieve >> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > "System" >> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it >> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing. >
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
>> >> == Proposal C == >> We had also this idea: >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >
Crowded and serves as a double function.
>> >> --- >> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? > Do >> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > changed >> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >> >> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >> >> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >> Current implementation: >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >> Mockup with the new skin: >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>> >> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>> >> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >> >> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > regarding >> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a >> consensus for the RC1! >> >> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >> -1 for proposal C. >> >
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" < [email protected]> wrote:
+1, I like this idea.
Anyone else?
The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the menus which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>".
It is already the case when you are in the main wiki and you have subwikis (in my current proposal).
If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right now I'm more +0.
Thanks -Vincent
2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[email protected]>
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only talking about the menu label here, not the content.
WDYT ?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
> wrote: > >> You forgot one proposal which I like: >> >> == Proposal D == >> >> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > entry >> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > "Wiki >> Index" for example. >> >> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi developers. >>> >>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > Workspace >> in >>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >> Workspaces >>> activated". >>> >>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I > have >>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>> >>> == Proposal A == >>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>> Logged as admin: >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>> Not logged as admin: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>> >>> You can get it from this commit: >>> >> >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>> >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > In your screenshot is: > * Home > ** Administer Main Wiki > ** Wiki Directory > > What it was proposed: > * Home > ** Administration > ** Wikis Index > ** .... > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > - "Administration" > or > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > >>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >> menus: >>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are > in >> a >>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > >>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >> several >>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > "main" >>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >> users >>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > menu >>> "System" or "XWiki". >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >> content. >>> It does not look good. >> > > In the proposal there is > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > >>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >> once >>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>> - The left menu has too many items. >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> in > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > >>> >>> == Proposal B == >>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>> B). >>> >>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > side, >> we >>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >> achieve >>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >> "System" >>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put > it >>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > confusing. >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > own. > > >>> >>> == Proposal C == >>> We had also this idea: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > >>> >>> --- >>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > do? >> Do >>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >> changed >>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>> >>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>> >>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>> Current implementation: >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>> >>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>> >>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>> >>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >> regarding >>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have > a >>> consensus for the RC1! >>> >>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>> -1 for proposal C. >>> >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > * Home > ** Administration > ** --- > ** Wikis Index/Directory > ** Documents Index > > (Home/mainwiki) > * Home > ** Watch Home > ** Administer Home > ** --- > ** Wikis Index > ** Documents Index > > Thanks, > Caty
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On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" < [email protected]> wrote:
+1, I like this idea.
Anyone else?
The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the menus which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>".
It is already the case when you are in the main wiki and you have subwikis (in my current proposal).
No, your proposal doesn't touch "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>"… Thanks -Vincent
If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right now I'm more +0.
Thanks -Vincent
2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[email protected]>
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only talking about the menu label here, not the content.
WDYT ?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote: > Indeed, the proposal A was based on >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > Let me recap: > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
> -- > > About E: > Some issues IMHO: > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > when you are in the subwiki. > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be > confusing? > > Thanks, > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
>> wrote: >> >>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>> >>> == Proposal D == >>> >>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >> entry >>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >> "Wiki >>> Index" for example. >>> >>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi developers. >>>> >>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >> Workspace >>> in >>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>> Workspaces >>>> activated". >>>> >>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I >> have >>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>> >>>> == Proposal A == >>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>> Logged as admin: >>>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>>> >>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>> >>> >>
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>> >>> >> >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> In your screenshot is: >> * Home >> ** Administer Main Wiki >> ** Wiki Directory >> >> What it was proposed: >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** Wikis Index >> ** .... >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >> - "Administration" >> or >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >> >> >>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >>> menus: >>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are >> in >>> a >>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>> >> >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >> >> >>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >>> several >>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >> "main" >>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >>> users >>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >> menu >>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>> >> >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >> >>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>> content. >>>> It does not look good. >>> >> >> In the proposal there is >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >> >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >> >> >>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >>> once >>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>> >> >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> in >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >> >> >>>> >>>> == Proposal B == >>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>>> B). >>>> >>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >> side, >>> we >>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >>> achieve >>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >>> "System" >>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put >> it >>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >> confusing. >>> >> >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. >> >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >> own. >> >> >>>> >>>> == Proposal C == >>>> We had also this idea: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>> >> >> Crowded and serves as a double function. >> >> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I >> do? >>> Do >>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >>> changed >>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>> >>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>> >>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>> Current implementation: >>>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>> >>> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>>> >>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>>> >>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>> >>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>> regarding >>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have >> a >>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>> >>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>> >>> >> >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index/Directory >> ** Documents Index >> >> (Home/mainwiki) >> * Home >> ** Watch Home >> ** Administer Home >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index >> ** Documents Index >> >> Thanks, >> Caty
2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" < [email protected]> wrote:
+1, I like this idea.
Anyone else?
The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the
menus
which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>".
It is already the case when you are in the main wiki and you have subwikis (in my current proposal).
No, your proposal doesn't touch "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>"…
Yes, and so it is already inconsistent with the Home menu, whether or not we implement the Denis suggestion...
Thanks -Vincent
If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right now I'm more +0.
Thanks -Vincent
2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[email protected]>
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only talking about the menu label here, not the content.
WDYT ?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . >> >> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >> >> Let me recap: >> >> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >> >> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >> >> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >> >> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >> >> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >> > > I like both B and E. > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > to put this menu. > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > > -Fabio > > > > >> -- >> >> About E: >> Some issues IMHO: >> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and >> when you are in the subwiki. >> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users > and >> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it > be >> confusing? >> >> Thanks, >> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >> >> >> >> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
>>> wrote: >>> >>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>> >>>> == Proposal D == >>>> >>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > wikis >>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over > the >>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >>> entry >>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >>> "Wiki >>>> Index" for example. >>>> >>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > logo as >>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi developers. >>>>> >>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>> Workspace >>>> in >>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>> Workspaces >>>>> activated". >>>>> >>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which > was >>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I >>> have >>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>>>> >>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>> >>> In your screenshot is: >>> * Home >>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>> ** Wiki Directory >>> >>> What it was proposed: >>> * Home >>> ** Administration >>> ** Wikis Index >>> ** .... >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>> - "Administration" >>> or >>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>> >>> >>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > current >>>> menus: >>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we > are >>> in >>>> a >>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>> >>> >>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both >>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>> >>> >>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > current >>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >>>> several >>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in > the >>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >>> "main" >>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >>>> users >>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >>> menu >>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>> >>> >>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > displays >>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with > the >>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>> >>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>>> content. >>>>> It does not look good. >>>> >>> >>> In the proposal there is >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could > also >>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > (especially >>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in > the >>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>> >>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, > we >>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >>> >>> >>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > twice: >>>> once >>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>> >>> >>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> in >>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > content' >>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, > so we >>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>>>> B). >>>>> >>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >>> side, >>>> we >>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >>>> achieve >>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" > or >>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >>>> "System" >>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we > put >>> it >>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>> confusing. >>>> >>> >>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". > The >>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > location in >>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > actions. >>> >>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >>> own. >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main > Wiki" >>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>> >>> >>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I >>> do? >>>> Do >>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > because he >>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >>>> changed >>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>> >>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>> >>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>> Current implementation: >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>>>> >>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>> >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>>>> >>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>> >>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>> regarding >>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must > have >>> a >>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>> >>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>> >>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>> * Home >>> ** Administration >>> ** --- >>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>> ** Documents Index >>> >>> (Home/mainwiki) >>> * Home >>> ** Watch Home >>> ** Administer Home >>> ** --- >>> ** Wikis Index >>> ** Documents Index >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty
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On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" < [email protected]> wrote:
+1, I like this idea.
Anyone else?
The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the menus which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>".
This is precisely the point, some have custom names and may exists many times, but there is only one home ! Having "Wiki: xwiki" does not make any sense on single wiki setup, only spaces of pages make sense. And later, you may add named wikis (subwikis) that helps you group and isolate spaces of pages without losing or having the impression of creating that home.
If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right now I'm more +0.
Thanks -Vincent
2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[email protected]>
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only talking about the menu label here, not the content.
WDYT ?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
> wrote: > >> You forgot one proposal which I like: >> >> == Proposal D == >> >> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > entry >> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > "Wiki >> Index" for example. >> >> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi developers. >>> >>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > Workspace >> in >>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >> Workspaces >>> activated". >>> >>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I > have >>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>> >>> == Proposal A == >>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>> Logged as admin: >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>> Not logged as admin: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>> >>> You can get it from this commit: >>> >> >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>> >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > In your screenshot is: > * Home > ** Administer Main Wiki > ** Wiki Directory > > What it was proposed: > * Home > ** Administration > ** Wikis Index > ** .... > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > - "Administration" > or > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > >>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >> menus: >>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are > in >> a >>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > >>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >> several >>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > "main" >>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >> users >>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > menu >>> "System" or "XWiki". >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >> content. >>> It does not look good. >> > > In the proposal there is > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > >>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >> once >>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>> - The left menu has too many items. >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> in > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > >>> >>> == Proposal B == >>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>> B). >>> >>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > side, >> we >>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >> achieve >>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >> "System" >>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put > it >>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > confusing. >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > own. > > >>> >>> == Proposal C == >>> We had also this idea: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > >>> >>> --- >>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > do? >> Do >>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >> changed >>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>> >>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>> >>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>> Current implementation: >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>> >>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>> >>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>> >>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >> regarding >>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have > a >>> consensus for the RC1! >>> >>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>> -1 for proposal C. >>> >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > * Home > ** Administration > ** --- > ** Wikis Index/Directory > ** Documents Index > > (Home/mainwiki) > * Home > ** Watch Home > ** Administer Home > ** --- > ** Wikis Index > ** Documents Index > > Thanks, > Caty
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On Sep 19, 2013, at 11:02 AM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sep 19, 2013, at 10:21 AM, "Guillaume \"Louis-Marie\" Delhumeau" < [email protected]> wrote:
+1, I like this idea.
Anyone else?
The only downside is that it's not very logical with the rest of the menus which use the format: "<prefix>:<name>". For example: "Space: <spacename>" or "Page: <pagename>".
This is precisely the point, some have custom names and may exists many times, but there is only one home !
If I understand correctly: "Home" == "<prefix>", and the <name> == "xwiki" (but we don't need to display it since there's only one). So the new menu naming rule would be: * Have a "<type>:" notation when there's more than one element of type <type>. And we introduce a new type called "Home" in 5.2 (in addition to the existing types "wiki", "space", "page"). Correct? Thanks -Vincent
Having "Wiki: xwiki" does not make any sense on single wiki setup, only spaces of pages make sense. And later, you may add named wikis (subwikis) that helps you group and isolate spaces of pages without losing or having the impression of creating that home.
If we were to remove "Space:" and "Page:" prefixes then I'd be +1. Right now I'm more +0.
Thanks -Vincent
2013/9/18 Denis Gervalle <[email protected]>
Looking at the screenshots, I was wondering if we shouldn't use the same "HOME" label for the single wiki case, since the wiki name has no real meaning, and it could became the home of a workspace environment, or of a multiwiki farm. This would make it more consistent over time, than having the "Wiki: xwiki" changing to "HOME" when a subwiki is created. I am only talking about the menu label here, not the content.
WDYT ?
On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote: > Indeed, the proposal A was based on >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu . > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > Let me recap: > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
> -- > > About E: > Some issues IMHO: > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > when you are in the subwiki. > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be > confusing? > > Thanks, > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
>> wrote: >> >>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>> >>> == Proposal D == >>> >>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >> entry >>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >> "Wiki >>> Index" for example. >>> >>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi developers. >>>> >>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >> Workspace >>> in >>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>> Workspaces >>>> activated". >>>> >>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I >> have >>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>> >>>> == Proposal A == >>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>> Logged as admin: >>>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>>> >>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>> >>> >>
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>> >>> >> >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> In your screenshot is: >> * Home >> ** Administer Main Wiki >> ** Wiki Directory >> >> What it was proposed: >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** Wikis Index >> ** .... >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >> - "Administration" >> or >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >> >> >>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >>> menus: >>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are >> in >>> a >>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>> >> >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >> >> >>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >>> several >>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >> "main" >>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >>> users >>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >> menu >>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>> >> >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >> >>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>> content. >>>> It does not look good. >>> >> >> In the proposal there is >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >> >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >> >> >>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >>> once >>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>> >> >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> in >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >> >> >>>> >>>> == Proposal B == >>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>>> B). >>>> >>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >> side, >>> we >>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >>> achieve >>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >>> "System" >>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put >> it >>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >> confusing. >>> >> >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. >> >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >> own. >> >> >>>> >>>> == Proposal C == >>>> We had also this idea: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>> >> >> Crowded and serves as a double function. >> >> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I >> do? >>> Do >>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >>> changed >>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>> >>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>> >>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>> Current implementation: >>>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>> >>> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>>> >>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>>> >>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>> >>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>> regarding >>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have >> a >>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>> >>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>> >>> >> >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index/Directory >> ** Documents Index >> >> (Home/mainwiki) >> * Home >> ** Watch Home >> ** Administer Home >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index >> ** Documents Index >> >> Thanks, >> Caty
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Hi, This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed. My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now. I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing. Ludovic 2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu .
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Not logged as admin:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit:
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
(except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus:
- Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a
single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2,
so we
started to iterate until having this proposal:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What
should I do? Do
I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
Mockup with the new skin:
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu:
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion,
regarding
one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
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2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty? But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
wrote:
You forgot one proposal which I like:
== Proposal D ==
* Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki Index" for example.
What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as a way to navigate to the home of wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi developers. > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces > activated". > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > == Proposal A == > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > Logged as admin: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > Not logged as admin: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > You can get it from this commit: >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
menus: > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu > "System" or "XWiki".
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. > It does not look good.
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > - The left menu has too many items.
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > == Proposal B == > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > started to iterate until having this proposal: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> B). > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
> > == Proposal C == > We had also this idea: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > --- > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > Current implementation: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png > Mockup with the new skin: >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > B - "XWiki" right menu: >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a > consensus for the RC1! > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > -1 for proposal C. >
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
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yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.) the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'. I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc. Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form. Thanks, Caty On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty?
But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
wrote:
> You forgot one proposal which I like: > > == Proposal D == > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first entry > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with "Wiki > Index" for example. > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > Hi developers. > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace > in > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > Workspaces > > activated". > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > > == Proposal A == > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > Logged as admin: > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > Not logged as admin: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > > > You can get it from this commit: > > >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > >
So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
In your screenshot is: * Home ** Administer Main Wiki ** Wiki Directory
What it was proposed: * Home ** Administration ** Wikis Index ** ....
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
"Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: - "Administration" or - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki.
> > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the
current
> menus: > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in > a > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >
As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki).
> > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > several > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > users > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu > > "System" or "XWiki". >
The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.)
> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > content. > > It does not look good. >
In the proposal there is
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a consistency between the index/directory applications naming.
So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)).
> > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: > once > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > - The left menu has too many items. >
If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from * Menu in the (sub)wiki
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
in * Menu in the Home (mainwiki)
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of
content'
inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages)
> > > > == Proposal B == > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> > B). > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, > we > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > achieve > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > "System" > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing. >
I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions.
Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their own.
> > > > == Proposal C == > > We had also this idea: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >
Crowded and serves as a double function.
> > > > --- > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? > Do > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > changed > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > Current implementation: > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > Mockup with the new skin: > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > regarding > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a > > consensus for the RC1! > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > -1 for proposal C. > > >
So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu
(Wiki / (sub)wiki) * Home ** Administration ** --- ** Wikis Index/Directory ** Documents Index
(Home/mainwiki) * Home ** Watch Home ** Administer Home ** --- ** Wikis Index ** Documents Index
Thanks, Caty
> > Louis-Marie > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)
the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.
I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.
Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form.
I'd say singular form is better than plural but then I'm not a native English speaker ;) Regarding Index vs Directory, I don't know. Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty?
But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
> wrote: > >> You forgot one proposal which I like: >> >> == Proposal D == >> >> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > entry >> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > "Wiki >> Index" for example. >> >> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent >> >> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi developers. >>> >>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > Workspace >> in >>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >> Workspaces >>> activated". >>> >>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I > have >>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>> >>> == Proposal A == >>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>> Logged as admin: >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>> Not logged as admin: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>> >>> You can get it from this commit: >>> >> >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>> >> > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > In your screenshot is: > * Home > ** Administer Main Wiki > ** Wiki Directory > > What it was proposed: > * Home > ** Administration > ** Wikis Index > ** .... > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > - "Administration" > or > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > >>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >> menus: >>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are > in >> a >>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >> > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > >>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >> several >>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > "main" >>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >> users >>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > menu >>> "System" or "XWiki". >> > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > >> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >> content. >>> It does not look good. >> > > In the proposal there is > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > >>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >> once >>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>> - The left menu has too many items. >> > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> in > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > >>> >>> == Proposal B == >>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>> B). >>> >>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > side, >> we >>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >> achieve >>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >> "System" >>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put > it >>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > confusing. >> > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > own. > > >>> >>> == Proposal C == >>> We had also this idea: >>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >> > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > >>> >>> --- >>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > do? >> Do >>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >> changed >>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>> >>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>> >>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>> Current implementation: >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>> >>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>> >>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>> >>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >> regarding >>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have > a >>> consensus for the RC1! >>> >>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>> -1 for proposal C. >>> >> > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > * Home > ** Administration > ** --- > ** Wikis Index/Directory > ** Documents Index > > (Home/mainwiki) > * Home > ** Watch Home > ** Administer Home > ** --- > ** Wikis Index > ** Documents Index > > Thanks, > Caty > > >>> Louis-Marie >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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I let you decide for next Monday. We should release the RC 1. I won't be there tomorow. Thanks, Louis-Marie 2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)
the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.
I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.
Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form.
I'd say singular form is better than plural but then I'm not a native English speaker ;)
Regarding Index vs Directory, I don't know.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty?
But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote: > Indeed, the proposal A was based on >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > Let me recap: > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
> -- > > About E: > Some issues IMHO: > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > when you are in the subwiki. > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be > confusing? > > Thanks, > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
>> wrote: >> >>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>> >>> == Proposal D == >>> >>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >> entry >>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >> "Wiki >>> Index" for example. >>> >>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent >>> >>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi developers. >>>> >>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >> Workspace >>> in >>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>> Workspaces >>>> activated". >>>> >>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I >> have >>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>> >>>> == Proposal A == >>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>> Logged as admin: >>>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>>> >>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>> >>> >>
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>> >>> >> >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> In your screenshot is: >> * Home >> ** Administer Main Wiki >> ** Wiki Directory >> >> What it was proposed: >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** Wikis Index >> ** .... >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >> - "Administration" >> or >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >> >> >>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >>> menus: >>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are >> in >>> a >>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>> >> >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >> >> >>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >>> several >>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >> "main" >>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >>> users >>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >> menu >>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>> >> >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >> >>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>> content. >>>> It does not look good. >>> >> >> In the proposal there is >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >> >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >> >> >>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >>> once >>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>> >> >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> in >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >> >> >>>> >>>> == Proposal B == >>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>>> B). >>>> >>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >> side, >>> we >>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >>> achieve >>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >>> "System" >>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put >> it >>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >> confusing. >>> >> >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. >> >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >> own. >> >> >>>> >>>> == Proposal C == >>>> We had also this idea: >>>> >>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>> >> >> Crowded and serves as a double function. >> >> >>>> >>>> --- >>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I >> do? >>> Do >>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >>> changed >>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>> >>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>> >>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>> Current implementation: >>>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>> >>> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>>> >>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>> >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>>> >>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>> >>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>> regarding >>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have >> a >>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>> >>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>> >>> >> >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index/Directory >> ** Documents Index >> >> (Home/mainwiki) >> * Home >> ** Watch Home >> ** Administer Home >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index >> ** Documents Index >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> >>>> Louis-Marie >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Hi guys, "Users Directory" or "Users Index" sounds awkward to me. If it was a List it would be "User List" not "Users List" unless the List happened to belong to a person called "User". Then I feel like these names are kind of a lingual tarpit because trying to be descriptive runs you up against the limitations of the language. Directory is a much used term because of Unix and a "User Directory" sounds a whole lot like the user's home directory. If the User listing is there for *management* of users then I would recommend "User Management" which is well understood to be about management of all users, not a thing belonging to a specific one. "Document Index" is well descriptive in my opinion. For wikis I'm a bit torn, like users they have attributes and possessions. "Wiki Index" might be the index (of documents) for *this* wiki. When accessing the wiki list the admin probably has management intentions so "Wiki Management" sounds plausible but in this case, he could be talking about management of the current wiki. I think the best fit here is "SubWiki Administration" because it clearly states that it's about (one or more) SubWikis and I just happen to think Administration is a nice word in this case because it makes one think of operations which are more technical/powerful than those comprising management. So sorry to throw in yet another proposal but I think the best is: ["Document Index", "User Management", "SubWiki Administration"] Thanks, Caleb On 09/19/2013 01:08 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau wrote:
I let you decide for next Monday. We should release the RC 1. I won't be there tomorow.
Thanks, Louis-Marie
2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)
the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.
I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.
Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form.
I'd say singular form is better than plural but then I'm not a native English speaker ;)
Regarding Index vs Directory, I don't know.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty?
But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >> >> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >> >> Let me recap: >> >> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >> >> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >> >> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >> >> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >> >> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >> > > I like both B and E. > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > to put this menu. > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > > -Fabio > > > > >> -- >> >> About E: >> Some issues IMHO: >> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and >> when you are in the subwiki. >> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users > and >> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it > be >> confusing? >> >> Thanks, >> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >> >> >> >> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
>>> wrote: >>> >>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>> >>>> == Proposal D == >>>> >>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > wikis >>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over > the >>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >>> entry >>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >>> "Wiki >>>> Index" for example. >>>> >>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > logo as >>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi developers. >>>>> >>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>> Workspace >>>> in >>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>> Workspaces >>>>> activated". >>>>> >>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which > was >>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I >>> have >>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>>>> >>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>> >>> In your screenshot is: >>> * Home >>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>> ** Wiki Directory >>> >>> What it was proposed: >>> * Home >>> ** Administration >>> ** Wikis Index >>> ** .... >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>> - "Administration" >>> or >>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>> >>> >>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > current >>>> menus: >>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we > are >>> in >>>> a >>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>> >>> >>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both >>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>> >>> >>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > current >>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >>>> several >>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in > the >>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >>> "main" >>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >>>> users >>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >>> menu >>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>> >>> >>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > displays >>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with > the >>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>> >>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>>> content. >>>>> It does not look good. >>>> >>> >>> In the proposal there is >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could > also >>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > (especially >>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in > the >>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>> >>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, > we >>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >>> >>> >>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > twice: >>>> once >>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>> >>> >>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> in >>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > content' >>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, > so we >>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>>>> B). >>>>> >>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >>> side, >>>> we >>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >>>> achieve >>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" > or >>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >>>> "System" >>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we > put >>> it >>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>> confusing. >>>> >>> >>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". > The >>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > location in >>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > actions. >>> >>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >>> own. >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main > Wiki" >>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>> >>> >>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I >>> do? >>>> Do >>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > because he >>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >>>> changed >>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>> >>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>> >>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>> Current implementation: >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>>>> >>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>> >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>>>> >>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>> >>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>> regarding >>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must > have >>> a >>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>> >>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>> >>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>> * Home >>> ** Administration >>> ** --- >>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>> ** Documents Index >>> >>> (Home/mainwiki) >>> * Home >>> ** Watch Home >>> ** Administer Home >>> ** --- >>> ** Wikis Index >>> ** Documents Index >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty >>> >>> >>>>> Louis-Marie >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> devs mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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ok let me throw my opinion :) On Sep 19, 2013, at 8:39 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi guys,
"Users Directory" or "Users Index" sounds awkward to me. If it was a List it would be "User List" not "Users List" unless the List happened to belong to a person called "User".
Then I feel like these names are kind of a lingual tarpit because trying to be descriptive runs you up against the limitations of the language.
Directory is a much used term because of Unix and a "User Directory" sounds a whole lot like the user's home directory.
If the User listing is there for *management* of users then I would recommend "User Management" which is well understood to be about management of all users, not a thing belonging to a specific one.
It's not a management feature. It's just to have the list of users. I think User Directory is a pretty used term for this. For example: https://confluence.atlassian.com/display/DOC/Configuring+User+Directories However it's pretty much a tie on http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22user+directory%22&w... So for the sake of consistency (see below) I think "User Index" would be a good pick.
"Document Index" is well descriptive in my opinion.
Agreed
For wikis I'm a bit torn, like users they have attributes and possessions. "Wiki Index" might be the index (of documents) for *this* wiki. When accessing the wiki list the admin probably has management intentions so "Wiki Management" sounds plausible but in this case, he could be talking about management of the current wiki. I think the best fit here is "SubWiki Administration" because it clearly states that it's about (one or more) SubWikis and I just happen to think Administration is a nice word in this case because it makes one think of operations which are more technical/powerful than those comprising management.
We decided not to use subwikis already and this is not about management either. It's just the list of all wikis. 2 examples: - http://wikiindex.org/Welcome - http://wikispot.org/Wiki_directory I'd say "Wiki Index" based on http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=%22Wiki+Index%22&word2... Thanks -Vincent
So sorry to throw in yet another proposal but I think the best is:
["Document Index", "User Management", "SubWiki Administration"]
Thanks, Caleb
On 09/19/2013 01:08 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau wrote:
I let you decide for next Monday. We should release the RC 1. I won't be there tomorow.
Thanks, Louis-Marie
2013/9/19 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
On Sep 19, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)
the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.
I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.
Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form.
I'd say singular form is better than plural but then I'm not a native English speaker ;)
Regarding Index vs Directory, I don't know.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty?
But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
> You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475 > > Thanks, > LM > > > 2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
>>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >>> >>> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >>> >>> Let me recap: >>> >>> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >>> >>> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >>> >>> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >>> >>> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >>> >>> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >>> >> >> I like both B and E. >> >> I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis >> are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the >> main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I >> understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where >> to put this menu. >> >> What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. >> Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that >> menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. >> >> I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of >> the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). >> Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. >> >> -Fabio >> >> >> >> >>> -- >>> >>> About E: >>> Some issues IMHO: >>> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and >>> when you are in the subwiki. >>> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users >> and >>> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it >> be >>> confusing? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >>> >>> >>> >>> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected] > >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal D == >>>>> >>>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >>>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow > navigating >>>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other >> wikis >>>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over >> the >>>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >>>> entry >>>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >>>> "Wiki >>>>> Index" for example. >>>>> >>>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the >> logo as >>>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi developers. >>>>>> >>>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>>> Workspace >>>>> in >>>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>>> Workspaces >>>>>> activated". >>>>>> >>>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 > (which >> was >>>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull > request. I >>>> have >>>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>>> >>>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>>>>> >>>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>> >>>> In your screenshot is: >>>> * Home >>>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>>> ** Wiki Directory >>>> >>>> What it was proposed: >>>> * Home >>>> ** Administration >>>> ** Wikis Index >>>> ** .... >>>> >>>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>>> >>>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>>> >>>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>>> - "Administration" >>>> or >>>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the >> current >>>>> menus: >>>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we >> are >>>> in >>>>> a >>>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>>> >>>> >>>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate > both >>>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>>> >>>> >>>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the >> current >>>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >>>>> several >>>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, > in >> the >>>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >>>> "main" >>>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows > the >>>>> users >>>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call > the >>>> menu >>>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>>> >>>> >>>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu >> displays >>>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with >> the >>>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>>> >>>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have > a >>>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>>>> content. >>>>>> It does not look good. >>>>> >>>> >>>> In the proposal there is >>>> >>>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could >> also >>>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" >> (especially >>>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located > in >> the >>>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >>>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>>> >>>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the > submenu, >> we >>>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >>>> >>>> >>>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" >> twice: >>>>> once >>>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>>> >>>> >>>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>>> >>>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>>> in >>>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>>> >>>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>>> >>>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of >> content' >>>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, >> so we >>>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>>>>> B). >>>>>> >>>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >>>> side, >>>>> we >>>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >>>>> achieve >>>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" >> or >>>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it > just >>>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >>>>> "System" >>>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we >> put >>>> it >>>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>>> confusing. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content > organization >>>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". >> The >>>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your >> location in >>>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related >> actions. >>>> >>>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >>>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it > their >>>> own. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main >> Wiki" >>>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> --- >>>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What > should I >>>> do? >>>>> Do >>>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, >> because he >>>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still > be >>>>> changed >>>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>>> >>>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>>> Current implementation: >>>>>> >> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>>>>> >>>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>>> >>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png >>>>>> >>>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>>> >>>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>>> regarding >>>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must >> have >>>> a >>>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>>> >>>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>>> >>>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>>> * Home >>>> ** Administration >>>> ** --- >>>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>>> ** Documents Index >>>> >>>> (Home/mainwiki) >>>> * Home >>>> ** Watch Home >>>> ** Administer Home >>>> ** --- >>>> ** Wikis Index >>>> ** Documents Index >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Caty
Hi, We currently operate with document index, which sounds best in my view. For consistency reasons +1 to use User Index and Wiki Index. Thanks, Silvia On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)
the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.
I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.
Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty?
But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Indeed, the proposal A was based on
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu.
Then I suggest to call your proposal: E.
Let me recap:
- Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu".
- Proposal B : XWiki right side menu
- Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu
- Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo.
- Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty.
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
--
About E: Some issues IMHO: - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and when you are in the subwiki. - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be confusing?
Thanks, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau
2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
> wrote: > > > You forgot one proposal which I like: > > > > == Proposal D == > > > > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) > > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki > > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating > > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis > > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the > > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first > entry > > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with > "Wiki > > Index" for example. > > > > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as > > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi developers. > > > > > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate > Workspace > > in > > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: > > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when > > Workspaces > > > activated". > > > > > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was > > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I > have > > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. > > > > > > == Proposal A == > > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): > > > Logged as admin: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Not logged as admin: > > > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
> > > > > > You can get it from this commit: > > > > > >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) > > > > > > > So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > In your screenshot is: > * Home > ** Administer Main Wiki > ** Wiki Directory > > What it was proposed: > * Home > ** Administration > ** Wikis Index > ** .... > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: > - "Administration" > or > - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" > depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. > > > > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current > > menus: > > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are > in > > a > > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? > > > > As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both > the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). > > > > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current > > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and > > several > > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the > > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between > "main" > > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the > > users > > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the > menu > > > "System" or "XWiki". > > > > The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays > the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the > way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) > > > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a > > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more > > content. > > > It does not look good. > > > > In the proposal there is > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also > list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially > since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the > main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a > consistency between the index/directory applications naming. > > So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we > could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). > > > > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: > > once > > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. > > > - The left menu has too many items. > > > > If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from > * Menu in the (sub)wiki > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> in > * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
> > The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' > inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) > > > > > > > > == Proposal B == > > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we > > > started to iterate until having this proposal: > > > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
> > > B). > > > > > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left > side, > > we > > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually > > achieve > > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or > > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just > > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a > > "System" > > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put > it > > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less > confusing. > > > > I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization > hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. > You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The > "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in > the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. > > Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize > their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their > own. > > > > > > > > == Proposal C == > > > We had also this idea: > > > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" > > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like > > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. > > > > Crowded and serves as a double function. > > > > > > > > --- > > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I > do? > > Do > > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he > > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be > > changed > > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. > > > > > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: > > > > > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): > > > Current implementation: > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
> > > Mockup with the new skin: > > > > > >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
> > > > > > B - "XWiki" right menu: > > > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
> > > > > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: > > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png > > > > > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, > > regarding > > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have > a > > > consensus for the RC1! > > > > > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). > > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). > > > -1 for proposal C. > > > > > > > So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu > > (Wiki / (sub)wiki) > * Home > ** Administration > ** --- > ** Wikis Index/Directory > ** Documents Index > > (Home/mainwiki) > * Home > ** Watch Home > ** Administer Home > ** --- > ** Wikis Index > ** Documents Index > > Thanks, > Caty > > > > > Louis-Marie > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Denis and I would like to have an "Home" menu when the user has a single wiki too, instead of having "Wiki: xwiki". Anybody else would like to have it? Thanks, Louis-Marie 2013/9/20 Silvia Rusu <[email protected]>
Hi,
We currently operate with document index, which sounds best in my view. For consistency reasons +1 to use User Index and Wiki Index.
Thanks, Silvia
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)
the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.
I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.
Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty?
But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote: > Indeed, the proposal A was based on >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. > > Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. > > Let me recap: > > - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". > > - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu > > - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu > > - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. > > - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >
I like both B and E.
I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where to put this menu.
What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki.
I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution.
-Fabio
> -- > > About E: > Some issues IMHO: > - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and > when you are in the subwiki. > - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users and > the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it be > confusing? > > Thanks, > Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau > > > > 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> > >> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
>> wrote: >> >> > You forgot one proposal which I like: >> > >> > == Proposal D == >> > >> > * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >> > * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >> > * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >> > either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other wikis >> > * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over the >> > logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >> entry >> > = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >> "Wiki >> > Index" for example. >> > >> > What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the logo as >> > a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >> > >> > Thanks >> > -Vincent >> > >> > On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >> > [email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > > Hi developers. >> > > >> > > Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >> Workspace >> > in >> > > XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >> > > http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >> > Workspaces >> > > activated". >> > > >> > > The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was >> > > scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I >> have >> > > also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >> > > >> > > == Proposal A == >> > > There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >> > > Logged as admin: >> > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>> > > Not logged as admin: >> > > >> > >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>> > > >> > > You can get it from this commit: >> > > >> > >>
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>> > > (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >> > > >> > >> >> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> In your screenshot is: >> * Home >> ** Administer Main Wiki >> ** Wiki Directory >> >> What it was proposed: >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** Wikis Index >> ** .... >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >> - "Administration" >> or >> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >> >> >> > > We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current >> > menus: >> > > - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are >> in >> > a >> > > (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >> > >> >> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both >> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >> >> >> > > - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current >> > > wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >> > several >> > > "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the >> > > future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >> "main" >> > > and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >> > users >> > > to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >> menu >> > > "System" or "XWiki". >> > >> >> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu displays >> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with the >> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >> >> > - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >> > > single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >> > content. >> > > It does not look good. >> > >> >> In the proposal there is >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could also >> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" (especially >> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in the >> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >> >> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, we >> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >> >> >> > > - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: >> > once >> > > in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >> > > - The left menu has too many items. >> > >> >> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> in >> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >> >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>> >> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of content' >> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >> >> >> > > >> > > == Proposal B == >> > > Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we >> > > started to iterate until having this proposal: >> > > >> > >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>> > > B). >> > > >> > > Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >> side, >> > we >> > > have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >> > achieve >> > > on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or >> > > "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >> > > provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >> > "System" >> > > menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put >> it >> > > there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >> confusing. >> > >> >> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". The >> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your location in >> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related actions. >> >> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >> own. >> >> >> > > >> > > == Proposal C == >> > > We had also this idea: >> > > >> > >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>> > > But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" >> > > link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >> > > "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >> > >> >> Crowded and serves as a double function. >> >> >> > > >> > > --- >> > > After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I >> do? >> > Do >> > > I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he >> > > wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >> > changed >> > > for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >> > > >> > > So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >> > > >> > > A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >> > > Current implementation: >> > >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png
>> > > Mockup with the new skin: >> > > >> > >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>> > > >> > > B - "XWiki" right menu: >> > > >>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>> > > >> > > C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >> > > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >> > > >> > > I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >> > regarding >> > > one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have >> a >> > > consensus for the RC1! >> > > >> > > 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >> > > +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >> > > -1 for proposal C. >> > > >> > >> >> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >> >> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >> * Home >> ** Administration >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index/Directory >> ** Documents Index >> >> (Home/mainwiki) >> * Home >> ** Watch Home >> ** Administer Home >> ** --- >> ** Wikis Index >> ** Documents Index >> >> Thanks, >> Caty >> >> >> > > Louis-Marie >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > devs mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > devs mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Sep 23, 2013, at 2:44 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Denis and I would like to have an "Home" menu when the user has a single wiki too, instead of having "Wiki: xwiki".
Anybody else would like to have it?
I think this is not so urgent and could be an improvement for 5.3. For me it makes sense to keep our default the same as now for 5.2 when there's only 1 wiki and make that change in 5.3 when we bring more changes for multiwiki. It's also starting to be late now. But +0 in general (didn't put +1 because I haven't thought enough about the overall consequences and I'm still only +0 on the Home menu in general). Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Louis-Marie
2013/9/20 Silvia Rusu <[email protected]>
Hi,
We currently operate with document index, which sounds best in my view. For consistency reasons +1 to use User Index and Wiki Index.
Thanks, Silvia
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
yes, the 'Index' was proposed in order to have consistency between the entries: 'Documents Index', 'Users Index', 'Applications Index', 'Wikis Index', etc. (Obs. the Applications Index is not yet implemented, but the entry should provide a livetable that allows filtering for entries of a certain type: documents, users, wikis, etc.)
the alternative was to have 'Documents Directory', 'Users Directory', 'Applications Directory', 'Wikis Directory'.
I think that the 'Index' version is much shorter than the 'Directory', while having a more generic meaning. Alternatives: 'List', etc.
Just for the record, the proposal uses the "plural" form of the entities. It would be great if an english speaker could give its opinion on the correct form.
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
2013/9/19 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>
Hi,
This looks good. I have a comment though on the "User index". I'm sorry if this was already discussed.
My first reaction was that it's not really telling me what it is. I suppose it's the "User Directory". Maybe my english is wrong, but why not just calling it "User Directory" like it is right now.
I suppose the reason is to have "Document Index" followed by "User Index", but I don't think it's the same thing.
Yes, the idea was to have a consistency between names in the menu. Is that true Caty?
But my english is not good enough to say if it is correct or not...
Ludovic
2013/9/18 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]>
You can see some screenshots in the JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9475
Thanks, LM
2013/9/18 Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Indeed, the proposal A was based on >>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/PortalMenuinstead
>> of http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu. >> >> Then I suggest to call your proposal: E. >> >> Let me recap: >> >> - Proposal A : Tiny "Home menu". >> >> - Proposal B : XWiki right side menu >> >> - Proposal C : Wiki crowded menu >> >> - Proposal D : Add a menu on the top-left logo. >> >> - Proposal E : The complete "Home menu" proposed by Caty. >> > > I like both B and E. > > I liked E because it keeps the left area the same. Since all the wikis > are equal, so it should be the area for manipulating it. But since the > main wiki is "more equal" than the others, it's good to show it. I > understand the problem of E but I cannot think of another place where > to put this menu. > > What I don't like of E is just the "home" label. > Home will become too overloaded. Every wiki has a home, now with that > menu there will be a home which is the home of the main wiki. > > I cannot think of a better alternative besides "Main" that suffers of > the same problem (since every wiki has a Main space). > Maybe calling it "XWiki" can really be a possible solution. > > -Fabio > > > > >> -- >> >> About E: >> Some issues IMHO: >> - The amount of menus is not the same when you are in the home wiki and >> when you are in the subwiki. >> - Do we really need to have a direct access to the documents, the users > and >> the applications of the home wiki when you are in the subwiki? Can't it > be >> confusing? >> >> Thanks, >> Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau >> >> >> >> 2013/9/12 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> >> >>> On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
>>> wrote: >>> >>>> You forgot one proposal which I like: >>>> >>>> == Proposal D == >>>> >>>> * Generalize the XWiki home (the logo at the top left) >>>> * When you click on the logo you get to the home of the current wiki >>>> * The proposal is about generalizing that feature to allow navigating >>>> either to the wiki home, to the main wiki or to the list of other > wikis >>>> * It could be done by showing a menu arrow when the mouse hover over > the >>>> logo and when the mouse moves over the arrow, show a menu with first >>> entry >>>> = "Main Wiki" (or "Home Wiki" if you prefer) and a second entry with >>> "Wiki >>>> Index" for example. >>>> >>>> What I like with this is that the user is already used to use the > logo as >>>> a way to navigate to the home of wiki. >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >>>> >>>> On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi developers. >>>>> >>>>> Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate >>> Workspace >>>> in >>>>> XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: >>>>> http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when >>>> Workspaces >>>>> activated". >>>>> >>>>> The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which > was >>>>> scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I >>> have >>>>> also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work. >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal A == >>>>> There is some screenshots (Proposal A): >>>>> Logged as admin: >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>> Not logged as admin: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
>>>>> >>>>> You can get it from this commit: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493...
>>>>> (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot) >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> So I just want to link again the 'Home Menu' full proposal >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>> >>> In your screenshot is: >>> * Home >>> ** Administer Main Wiki >>> ** Wiki Directory >>> >>> What it was proposed: >>> * Home >>> ** Administration >>> ** Wikis Index >>> ** .... >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> "Administer Main Wiki" was proposed as: >>> - "Administration" >>> or >>> - "Administer Home" / "Administrate Home" >>> depending if you were located in Home or in the (sub)wiki. >>> >>> >>>>> We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the > current >>>> menus: >>>>> - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we > are >>> in >>>> a >>>>> (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? >>>> >>> >>> As an administrator I think it has sense to be able to administrate both >>> the current (sub)wiki you are visiting and also the home (mainwiki). >>> >>> >>>>> - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the > current >>>>> wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and >>>> several >>>>> "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in > the >>>>> future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between >>> "main" >>>>> and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the >>>> users >>>>> to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the >>> menu >>>>> "System" or "XWiki". >>>> >>> >>> The "main" and "sub" is transformed in "home" and "wiki". The menu > displays >>> the hierarchy: Home > Wiki > Space > Page and is also consistent with > the >>> way our cascading works for our preferences (rights, etc.) >>> >>>> - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a >>>>> single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more >>>> content. >>>>> It does not look good. >>>> >>> >>> In the proposal there is >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> Although this is not currently implemented, the idea is that we could > also >>> list for example the "Users Index" a.k.a the "User Directory" > (especially >>> since workspaces have only global users and the directory is located in > the >>> main wiki). In the proposal I've used " *** Index" in order to have a >>> consistency between the index/directory applications naming. >>> >>> So the idea is that even if now there is only one entry in the submenu, > we >>> could have more entries (if they are related to the Home (mainwiki)). >>> >>> >>>>> - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" > twice: >>>> once >>>>> in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. >>>>> - The left menu has too many items. >>>> >>> >>> If you are on the main wiki, the menu changes from >>> * Menu in the (sub)wiki >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> in >>> * Menu in the Home (mainwiki) >>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/HomeMenu/HomeMe...
>>> >>> The left menu contains items related to 'spatial organization of > content' >>> inside XWiki (wikis, spaces, pages) >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal B == >>>>> Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, > so we >>>>> started to iterate until having this proposal: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop...
>>>>> B). >>>>> >>>>> Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left >>> side, >>>> we >>>>> have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually >>>> achieve >>>>> on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" > or >>>>> "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just >>>>> provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a >>>> "System" >>>>> menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we > put >>> it >>>>> there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less >>> confusing. >>>> >>> >>> I don't like this proposal because is breaking the content organization >>> hierarchy: home > wiki > space > page. >>> You can consider our current menu to be composed of "Content || User". > The >>> "Content" part allows you to create new content and to see your > location in >>> the content hierarchy. The right menu is dedicated to User related > actions. >>> >>> Also I don't like that it uses the name XWiki. Users want to customize >>> their instance and not even show it's running on XWiki, making it their >>> own. >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> == Proposal C == >>>>> We had also this idea: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposalC)
>>>>> But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main > Wiki" >>>>> link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like >>>>> "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are. >>>> >>> >>> Crowded and serves as a double function. >>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I >>> do? >>>> Do >>>>> I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, > because he >>>>> wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be >>>> changed >>>>> for the RC1, and he applied the pull request. >>>>> >>>>> So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have: >>>>> >>>>> A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): >>>>> Current implementation: >>>>> > http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png >>>>> Mockup with the new skin: >>>>> >>>> >>> >
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
>>>>> >>>>> B - "XWiki" right menu: >>>>> >>>
http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
>>>>> >>>>> C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: >>>>> http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png >>>>> >>>>> I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, >>>> regarding >>>>> one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must > have >>> a >>>>> consensus for the RC1! >>>>> >>>>> 0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). >>>>> +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). >>>>> -1 for proposal C. >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> So, my vote goes to Ver. A, but the way it was proposed: >>> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/HomeMenu >>> >>> (Wiki / (sub)wiki) >>> * Home >>> ** Administration >>> ** --- >>> ** Wikis Index/Directory >>> ** Documents Index >>> >>> (Home/mainwiki) >>> * Home >>> ** Watch Home >>> ** Administer Home >>> ** --- >>> ** Wikis Index >>> ** Documents Index >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Caty >>> >>> >>>>> Louis-Marie >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> devs mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> devs mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Hi, Generally speaking if we add a menu located next to the existing page/space/wiki menus it cannot be a menu representing a wiki since it's not logical (there's already a wiki level menu). It has to represent something bigger than a wiki. That's the System, aka XWiki, aka Portal. Home wouldn't make sense since it would mean having all the menu entries that you normally find in the wiki menu and that's distriburing and there's no reason to have shortcuts for those when you are in a subwiki (if you wish to administer the main wiki for example, you can navigate to the main wiki, it's not so often that you need to administer the main wiki when you're on a subwiki that you need a shortcut for it!). As guillaume said below, if we do this we also have duplicated menus when you're in the main wiki and if you decide to not show it when you're on the main wiki then you have a solution that's not uneven since it means visually different menus when on the main wiki and when on a subwiki which isn't nice. It's much better to have a menu entry that stays wherver you're located. The notion of System/XWiki/Portal allows for this. Note 1: I'm personally fine to have the System/XWiki/Portal menu located on the left too if everyone wants that. It makes the menu system a bit crowded. Note 2: This System menu could only appear when there's more than 1 wiki since we want to make it as lightweight possible for single wiki users Note 3: An option would be to have a switch in the Admin to enable wiki creation and not base the appearance of the system menu and the Add>Wiki on whether there's 1 or more subwikis. So, based on this: * Solution A: -1 * Solution B: +1 (I'm fine with having "System", "XWiki" or some other names representing the whole system but not "Home" which doesn't represent the system but the main wiki only. I'm also fine to move that menu on the left) * Solution C: -1 * Solution D: +1 Thanks -Vincent On Sep 12, 2013, at 12:31 PM, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Not logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit: https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493... (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense? - Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki". - When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good. - If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we started to iterate until having this proposal: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop... B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C) But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Mockup with the new skin: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
Louis-Marie
On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 1:31 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi developers.
Tuesday evening, after trying to fix all issues that integrate Workspace in XE made, I had a bit of time to work on this JIRA: http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-9341 "Menu improvements when Workspaces activated".
The idea was to quickly implement the Caty's proposal for M2 (which was scheduled for the day after). I made it and I sent a pull request. I have also sent a mail to Vincent to show him my work.
== Proposal A == There is some screenshots (Proposal A): Logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Not logged as admin: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu-non-admin...
You can get it from this commit: https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/8c1c1bac2cde30f9024525e502493... (except that I have changed the wiki icon for this screenshot)
We though this menu was confusing and not consistent with the current menus: - Why do we have a link to the *main wiki* administration when we are in a (sub)wiki? Does it make sense?
- Why do we have the main wiki (called Home) in the left of the current wiki, space and page? The fact that there is actually a "main" and several "sub" wikis is only due to the implementation. We could imagine, in the future, a new implementation where there is no distinction between "main" and "sub", but where we have an independent "system" that allows the users to create and manage their wikis. Then, it seems better to call the menu "System" or "XWiki".
I don't agree with this kind of reasoning. Let's not create a UI for a model that is not yet implemented and that we don't know when it will be implemented. XWIki UI evolves with the project and so we will adapt the UI to match the model whenever we change the model. Right now the main wiki is special so it's fine if the UI makes a distinction between it and the rest of the (sub)wikis.
- When we don't have the admin right on the main wiki, we only have a single item in this menu, meanwhile wiki, space and page has more content. It does not look good.
A menu on the left with a single entry looks as good as a menu on the right with a single entry.
- If you are in the main wiki, you have "Administer main wiki" twice: once in the Home menu, once in the Wiki menu. - The left menu has too many items.
== Proposal B == Vincent thought it was not good enough to be integrated in 5.2M2, so we started to iterate until having this proposal: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png(prop... B).
Why putting this menu to the right side? It's because, on the left side, we have Wiki/Space/Page, where you have actions that you can actually achieve on these Wiki, Space and Page. Actions like "Administer", "Delete" or "Rename". The XWiki menu does not provide actions like that, it just provides some shortcuts to navigate thought the wikis. It's more a "System" menu, like the Profile menu, or the Register action. That's why we put it there. Moreover, it make the left menu smaller, which is less confusing.
== Proposal C == We had also this idea: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png(proposal C) But we didn't like it, because the "Wiki Directory" and the "Main Wiki" link are not related to the current wiki, meanwhile actions like "Administer", "Index" or "Delete" are.
--- After having created the proposal B, I asked Vincent: "What should I do? Do I commit it, without asking to the community?". He said yes, because he wanted to have something to show to the community that can still be changed for the RC1, and he applied the pull request.
So, let me list again the 3 proposals we have:
A - "Home" menu (Caty's proposal): Current implementation: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-home-menu.png Mockup with the new skin: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/PortalMenu/Menu...
B - "XWiki" right menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/new-xwiki-menu.png
C - Add actions to the "Wiki" menu: http://xwiki.kephpage.net/proposals/workspaces-menus/wiki-menu.png
I propose to start a thread where you can all give your opinion, regarding one of these proposals, and you can also bring new ideas. We must have a consensus for the RC1!
0 for proposal A (the left menu is too heavy). +0 for proposal B (not perfect IMHO). -1 for proposal C.
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participants (13)
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Caleb James DeLisle -
Denis Gervalle -
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) -
Eduard Moraru -
Fabio Mancinelli -
Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau -
Jeremie BOUSQUET -
Ludovic Dubost -
Marius Dumitru Florea -
Silvia Rusu -
Sorin Burjan -
Thomas Mortagne -
Vincent Massol