Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UI] Top menu refactoring
Why FILE? - why not call the menu PAGE because that's what it is - it's not a FILE. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jean-Vincent Drean Sent: 10 October 2007 11:15 To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UI] Top menu refactoring 2007/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>:
* With the space we gained from "rename" and "copy", I think we can afford a whole "Whatch" menu item, that will contain "Watch this page", "Watch this space" and possibly "Watch settings..." for administrators. (And by the way, it allow, if the notification feature is disabled for some reason on a wiki, not to impact other menu lists - but I don't know if this disable notification feature will be)
You'll like my last proposal ;) http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa l32CAKAyouthoughtyouwereinawebapp3F29
* I like the "Access Right" in the "Edit" menu, but that's maybe juste me :)
Yes, may be ;) JV. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs Thales UK Ltd (Wells) DISCLAIMER: The information contained in this e-mail is confidential. It may also be legally privileged. It is intended only for the stated addressee(s) and access to it by any other person is unauthorised. If you are not an addressee, you must not disclose, copy, circulate or in any other way use or rely on the information contained in this e-mail. Such unauthorised use may be unlawful. We may monitor all e-mail communications through our networks. If you have received this e-mail in error, please inform us immediately on +44 (0) 1749 672081 and delete it and all copies from your system. We accept no responsibility for changes to any e-mail which occur after it has been sent. Attachments to this e-mail may contain software viruses which could damage your system. We therefore recommend you virus-check all attachments before opening. A business of Thales UK Ltd. Registered Office: 2 Dashwood Lang Road, The Bourne Business Park, Addlestone, Weybridge, Surrey KT15 2NX Registered in England No. 868273
To please the famous end-user, you know, the one who would be confused by an export entry ;) Those users who have "To print I go to FILE, then PRINT" engraved in memory in 30foot tall letters. Just kidding, as a developer and wiki user I'd prefer PAGE too. 2007/10/10, goldring, richard <[email protected]>:
Why FILE? - why not call the menu PAGE because that's what it is - it's not a FILE.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jean-Vincent Drean Sent: 10 October 2007 11:15 To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UI] Top menu refactoring
2007/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>:
* With the space we gained from "rename" and "copy", I think we can afford a whole "Whatch" menu item, that will contain "Watch this page", "Watch this space" and possibly "Watch settings..." for administrators. (And by the way, it allow, if the notification feature is disabled for some reason on a wiki, not to impact other menu lists - but I don't know if this disable notification feature will be)
You'll like my last proposal ;)
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa l32CAKAyouthoughtyouwereinawebapp3F29
* I like the "Access Right" in the "Edit" menu, but that's maybe juste me :)
Yes, may be ;)
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Hmmmmmmm... that last one (3) does seem pretty intuitive... I asked a manager (aka regular user) in my area to come and take a look. She wanted the "Add menu" back (add comment, add attachment, add subpage, add space). File/Page, Edit, Add, View, Watch, Documentation while I like what's in the File/Page menu thing, I still ... I dunno -- the name bugs me for some reason.. On 10/10/07, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
To please the famous end-user, you know, the one who would be confused by an export entry ;) Those users who have "To print I go to FILE, then PRINT" engraved in memory in 30foot tall letters.
Just kidding, as a developer and wiki user I'd prefer PAGE too.
2007/10/10, goldring, richard <[email protected]>:
Why FILE? - why not call the menu PAGE because that's what it is - it's not a FILE.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jean-Vincent Drean Sent: 10 October 2007 11:15 To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UI] Top menu refactoring
2007/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>:
* With the space we gained from "rename" and "copy", I think we can afford a whole "Whatch" menu item, that will contain "Watch this page", "Watch this space" and possibly "Watch settings..." for administrators. (And by the way, it allow, if the notification feature is disabled for some reason on a wiki, not to impact other menu lists - but I don't know if this disable notification feature will be)
You'll like my last proposal ;)
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa l32CAKAyouthoughtyouwereinawebapp3F29
* I like the "Access Right" in the "Edit" menu, but that's maybe juste me :)
Yes, may be ;)
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Screenshots added : http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa... 2007/10/10, Erin Schnabel <[email protected]>:
Hmmmmmmm... that last one (3) does seem pretty intuitive...
I asked a manager (aka regular user) in my area to come and take a look. She wanted the "Add menu" back (add comment, add attachment, add subpage, add space).
File/Page, Edit, Add, View, Watch, Documentation
while I like what's in the File/Page menu thing, I still ... I dunno -- the name bugs me for some reason..
On 10/10/07, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
To please the famous end-user, you know, the one who would be confused by an export entry ;) Those users who have "To print I go to FILE, then PRINT" engraved in memory in 30foot tall letters.
Just kidding, as a developer and wiki user I'd prefer PAGE too.
2007/10/10, goldring, richard <[email protected]>:
Why FILE? - why not call the menu PAGE because that's what it is - it's not a FILE.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jean-Vincent Drean Sent: 10 October 2007 11:15 To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UI] Top menu refactoring
2007/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>:
* With the space we gained from "rename" and "copy", I think we can afford a whole "Whatch" menu item, that will contain "Watch this page", "Watch this space" and possibly "Watch settings..." for administrators. (And by the way, it allow, if the notification feature is disabled for some reason on a wiki, not to impact other menu lists - but I don't know if this disable notification feature will be)
You'll like my last proposal ;)
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa l32CAKAyouthoughtyouwereinawebapp3F29
* I like the "Access Right" in the "Edit" menu, but that's maybe juste me :)
Yes, may be ;)
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A HEART?!?!?! What is the world coming to... LOL Really, we need an Add menu. It may seem unnecessary to wizards like us, but it was the first thing my "regular user" asked about... On 10/13/07, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
Screenshots added : http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa...
2007/10/10, Erin Schnabel <[email protected]>:
Hmmmmmmm... that last one (3) does seem pretty intuitive...
I asked a manager (aka regular user) in my area to come and take a look. She wanted the "Add menu" back (add comment, add attachment, add subpage, add space).
File/Page, Edit, Add, View, Watch, Documentation
while I like what's in the File/Page menu thing, I still ... I dunno -- the name bugs me for some reason..
On 10/10/07, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
To please the famous end-user, you know, the one who would be confused by an export entry ;) Those users who have "To print I go to FILE, then PRINT" engraved in memory in 30foot tall letters.
Just kidding, as a developer and wiki user I'd prefer PAGE too.
2007/10/10, goldring, richard <[email protected]>:
Why FILE? - why not call the menu PAGE because that's what it is - it's not a FILE.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jean-Vincent Drean Sent: 10 October 2007 11:15 To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UI] Top menu refactoring
2007/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>:
* With the space we gained from "rename" and "copy", I think we can afford a whole "Whatch" menu item, that will contain "Watch this page", "Watch this space" and possibly "Watch settings..." for administrators. (And by the way, it allow, if the notification feature is disabled for some reason on a wiki, not to impact other menu lists - but I don't know if this disable notification feature will be)
You'll like my last proposal ;)
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa l32CAKAyouthoughtyouwereinawebapp3F29
* I like the "Access Right" in the "Edit" menu, but that's maybe juste me :)
Yes, may be ;)
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There is an Add panel that users can already use if they need to. What's more, creating new pages from a panel (when those pages are not part of applications) almost always imply that those pages will be orphans, meaning that their value is - at best - low when not cross-linked to other pages. It would be better if a mechanism offered some kind of automatic linking process for new pages so that they could interact with other, existing pages effectively. However it is hard to offer a satisfying solution to achieve this aim at this point. As for the heart, a star would fit the bill as well plus it's already familiar to some users. I would actually suggest the replacement of both the heart in the top menu and the icon on profile pages with a star. WDYT? Guillaume On 16/10/2007, Erin Schnabel <[email protected]> wrote:
A HEART?!?!?! What is the world coming to... LOL
Really, we need an Add menu. It may seem unnecessary to wizards like us, but it was the first thing my "regular user" asked about...
On 10/13/07, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
Screenshots added : http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa...
2007/10/10, Erin Schnabel <[email protected]>:
Hmmmmmmm... that last one (3) does seem pretty intuitive...
I asked a manager (aka regular user) in my area to come and take a look. She wanted the "Add menu" back (add comment, add attachment, add subpage, add space).
File/Page, Edit, Add, View, Watch, Documentation
while I like what's in the File/Page menu thing, I still ... I dunno -- the name bugs me for some reason..
On 10/10/07, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
To please the famous end-user, you know, the one who would be confused by an export entry ;) Those users who have "To print I go to FILE, then PRINT" engraved in memory in 30foot tall letters.
Just kidding, as a developer and wiki user I'd prefer PAGE too.
2007/10/10, goldring, richard <[email protected]>:
Why FILE? - why not call the menu PAGE because that's what it is - it's not a FILE.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jean-Vincent Drean Sent: 10 October 2007 11:15 To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UI] Top menu refactoring
2007/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>:
* With the space we gained from "rename" and "copy", I think we can afford a whole "Whatch" menu item, that will contain "Watch this page", "Watch this space" and possibly "Watch settings..." for administrators. (And by the way, it allow, if the notification feature is disabled for some reason on a wiki, not to impact other menu lists - but I don't know if this disable notification feature will be)
You'll like my last proposal ;)
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa l32CAKAyouthoughtyouwereinawebapp3F29
* I like the "Access Right" in the "Edit" menu, but that's maybe juste me :)
Yes, may be ;)
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The Add menu I have either A) links to the CreatePage with the appropriate arguments (i.e. if it's a subpage, it has the parms to create a page w/ the space prefix in the page name, and the parent set), or B to the "attachments" or "comments" view of the current page. I have CreatePage panels, and while they go right to xpage=create, the values for parent, etc. are still filled in, and the name sanitized, etc. Allows people to start page/space/comment/attachment creation from multiple places, but lands them in a place consistent for insuring sane page/space/attachment names, etc. It is not always intuitive for some of my users to scroll all the way down to the bottom of a page to add a comment or attachment. They prefer the Add menu for that: Add Menu (default action is the same as new subpage below): New comment: redirects to the current page ?viewer=comments New attachment: redirects to the current page ?viewer=attachments New subpage: redirects to XWiki.CreatePage?parent=CurrentSpace.CurrentPage New space: redirects to XWiki.CreatePage?parent=CurrentSpace.CurrentPage&tocreate=space CreatePage panel (custom): Form action: action="$doc.getURL("view", "xpage=create")" input type="hidden" name="template" value="" input type="hidden" name="tocreate" value="page" input type="hidden" name="parent" value="$tdoc.fullName" So, our panels for creating pages are useful, and the menu items for creating new pages and spaces are useful (as far as not creating orphans goes). Having the values filled in, especially when they are directed to XWiki.CreatePage helps to ensure that they recognize the parent should be set... On 10/16/07, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
There is an Add panel that users can already use if they need to. What's more, creating new pages from a panel (when those pages are not part of applications) almost always imply that those pages will be orphans, meaning that their value is - at best - low when not cross-linked to other pages.
It would be better if a mechanism offered some kind of automatic linking process for new pages so that they could interact with other, existing pages effectively. However it is hard to offer a satisfying solution to achieve this aim at this point.
As for the heart, a star would fit the bill as well plus it's already familiar to some users. I would actually suggest the replacement of both the heart in the top menu and the icon on profile pages with a star.
WDYT?
Guillaume
On 16/10/2007, Erin Schnabel <[email protected]> wrote:
A HEART?!?!?! What is the world coming to... LOL
Really, we need an Add menu. It may seem unnecessary to wizards like us, but it was the first thing my "regular user" asked about...
On 10/13/07, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
Screenshots added : http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa...
2007/10/10, Erin Schnabel <[email protected]>:
Hmmmmmmm... that last one (3) does seem pretty intuitive...
I asked a manager (aka regular user) in my area to come and take a look. She wanted the "Add menu" back (add comment, add attachment, add subpage, add space).
File/Page, Edit, Add, View, Watch, Documentation
while I like what's in the File/Page menu thing, I still ... I dunno -- the name bugs me for some reason..
On 10/10/07, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
To please the famous end-user, you know, the one who would be confused by an export entry ;) Those users who have "To print I go to FILE, then PRINT" engraved in memory in 30foot tall letters.
Just kidding, as a developer and wiki user I'd prefer PAGE too.
2007/10/10, goldring, richard <[email protected]>:
Why FILE? - why not call the menu PAGE because that's what it is - it's not a FILE.
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Jean-Vincent Drean Sent: 10 October 2007 11:15 To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UI] Top menu refactoring
2007/10/10, [email protected] <[email protected]>: > > * With the space we gained from "rename" and "copy", I think we can afford > a whole "Whatch" menu item, that will contain "Watch this page", "Watch > this space" and possibly "Watch settings..." for administrators. (And by > the way, it allow, if the notification feature is disabled for some reason > on a wiki, not to impact other menu lists - but I don't know if this > disable notification feature will be)
You'll like my last proposal ;)
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/RefactorActionMenu#H12M228proposa l32CAKAyouthoughtyouwereinawebapp3F29
> * I like the "Access Right" in the "Edit" menu, but that's maybe juste me :)
Yes, may be ;)
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2007/10/16, Erin Schnabel <[email protected]>:
A HEART?!?!?! What is the world coming to... LOL
I took the heart from the albatross skin, feel free to contribute a star consistent with the other menu items :)
Really, we need an Add menu. It may seem unnecessary to wizards like us, but it was the first thing my "regular user" asked about...
+1 with Guillaume. JV.
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