On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Roman Muntyanu <[email protected]> wrote:

http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_resolution_higher.asp

http://gs.statcounter.com/#resolution-ww-monthly-201111-201211

Thanks! According to these it seems like 1280x800 could be our minimal resolution for now. BTW what's the resolution on tablets? Thanks -Vincent PS: We're not talking about phones here which is different and requires a different layout

-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:19 PM To: XWiki Developers Subject: [xwiki-devs] [Brainstorming] Minimal supported resolution?

Hi devs,

We've agreed on the list of databases and browser we want to support but I couldn't find an agreement on the screen resolutions we want to support.

I had in mind the 1280x1024 as the minimal resolution for laptop/desktop computers.

Note that it's important to know this for the following reasons: * When we do our tests we should do them with various resolutions but especially with the minimum supported resolution * This is true for our automated tests (we run a vnc server in a given resolution on the jenkins agents) but also for the manual tests done by Sorin/Silvia/Manuel and everyone else

WDYT?

Once we agree I'll post the result on xwiki.org

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Hi Vincent, for tablets, the most common resolution I'm aware of is 1024x768. However, the mobile browsers used on tablets might be able to handle apps built for somewhat larger resolutions by adapting automatically (the same way mobile safari adapts when on an iPhone). We'd need to test an interface optimized for a larger-than-1024 resolution on a table screen to decide whether we need to improve it further. Guillaume On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM, Arvind Gupta <[email protected]>wrote:

+1 for non automated tests

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

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On Dec 4, 2012, at 11:24 AM, Roman Muntyanu <[email protected]> wrote:

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http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_display.asp http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_resolution_higher.asp

http://gs.statcounter.com/#resolution-ww-monthly-201111-201211

Thanks!

According to these it seems like 1280x800 could be our minimal resolution for now.

BTW what's the resolution on tablets?

Thanks -Vincent

PS: We're not talking about phones here which is different and requires a different layout

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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:19 PM To: XWiki Developers Subject: [xwiki-devs] [Brainstorming] Minimal supported resolution?

Hi devs,

We've agreed on the list of databases and browser we want to support

but

...

I couldn't find an agreement on the screen resolutions we want to support.

...

I had in mind the 1280x1024 as the minimal resolution for

laptop/desktop computers.

...

Note that it's important to know this for the following reasons: * When we do our tests we should do them with various resolutions but

especially with the minimum supported resolution

...

* This is true for our automated tests (we run a vnc server in a given resolution on the jenkins agents) but also for the manual tests done by Sorin/Silvia/Manuel and everyone else

WDYT?

Once we agree I'll post the result on xwiki.org

Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Hello Vincent, On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

On Dec 4, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Sorin Burjan <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hello Vincent,

I understand the utility of this for Automated Testing, but for Manual Testing it will be a bit harder because nobody will want to "downgrade" their resolution in order to test on the Minimum resolution.

You don't need too. Just install a resizer. On chrome I'm using https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/window-resizer/kkelicaakdanhinjdea...

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I think imposing such a rule will discourage users to test XWiki.

I don't follow you here. What's the relationship between the resolution that the xwiki dev team supports and users testing XWiki? They can test on whatever resolution they want...

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By testing I mean following the Manual Test steps we have.

This plan needs to mention on what resolutions (plural) it was tested, in addition to mentioning browsers and databases on which it was executed. You don't need to test on all resolutions obviously but the plan needs to have various tests on different DBs, OSes, Browsers, Resolutions. You should propose something.

This could be integrated on the future QA Application (the resolution thing). About testing on multiple browsers, OS's, DBs the only solution I have is to make different combinations in order to create various permutations. Regards, Sorin B.

Thanks -Vincent

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Regards, Sorin B.

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hi devs,

We've agreed on the list of databases and browser we want to support but I couldn't find an agreement on the screen resolutions we want to support.

I had in mind the 1280x1024 as the minimal resolution for laptop/desktop computers.

Note that it's important to know this for the following reasons: * When we do our tests we should do them with various resolutions but especially with the minimum supported resolution * This is true for our automated tests (we run a vnc server in a given resolution on the jenkins agents) but also for the manual tests done by Sorin/Silvia/Manuel and everyone else

WDYT?

Once we agree I'll post the result on xwiki.org

Thanks -Vincent

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On 12/04/2012 07:06 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) wrote:

Hi,

Right now we support 980px for the width, if we go for a smaller resolution we get horizontal scrolls. And this is Colibri case.

I think the supported resolution should be skin-based.

+1

For example in our future skin we will want to be responsive, meaning the skin will need to adjust to mobile/tablet resolutions. This means lowering the minimum.

For example Bootstrap ( http://twitter.github.com/bootstrap/scaffolding.html#responsive) considers: Phones: 480px and below Tablets: 768px and above Default: 980px and up Large Display: 1200px and up

The minimal-minimal standard resolution we should say we support is 1024 x 768px (at least for Colibri and for older versions of XWiki >= 2.0 ).

+1 Jerome

The next step would be 1280 x 1024px.

Thanks, Caty

On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 12:18 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hi devs,

We've agreed on the list of databases and browser we want to support but I couldn't find an agreement on the screen resolutions we want to support.

I had in mind the 1280x1024 as the minimal resolution for laptop/desktop computers.

Note that it's important to know this for the following reasons: * When we do our tests we should do them with various resolutions but especially with the minimum supported resolution * This is true for our automated tests (we run a vnc server in a given resolution on the jenkins agents) but also for the manual tests done by Sorin/Silvia/Manuel and everyone else

WDYT?

Once we agree I'll post the result on xwiki.org

Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 4:02 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:

On 12/04/2012 05:18 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:

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Hi devs,

We've agreed on the list of databases and browser we want to support but I couldn't find an agreement on the screen resolutions we want to support.

I had in mind the 1280x1024 as the minimal resolution for laptop/desktop computers.

+0, I prefer 1024x768 (reduced to 980 to let some space for sidebars). 980 is one of the widths used by several skin frameworks.

Is this what we currently support or what we wish to support? because there are parts of XWiki UI that don't look good on 1024px width. I just recently fix a problem in the user profile https://github.com/xwiki/xwiki-platform/commit/78d7644b1b2560379a9f24d661eb3... . Thanks, Marius

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Note that it's important to know this for the following reasons: * When we do our tests we should do them with various resolutions but especially with the minimum supported resolution * This is true for our automated tests (we run a vnc server in a given resolution on the jenkins agents) but also for the manual tests done by Sorin/Silvia/Manuel and everyone else

WDYT?

Once we agree I'll post the result on xwiki.org

Thanks -Vincent

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