[xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome?
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers: While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project. What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this. So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task? --Gary
On 07/23/2012 05:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
Hi Gary, I'm going to start my answer with an excuse that covers most of the points raised in your mail: for the past week and this one as well, the XWiki SAS company is organizing an annual seminar for all its employees, and everybody is rather busy with all the activities going on here, including a hackaton that changes our priorities into getting a small project done before the end of the week. So this period is not a very good one to judge the interactions in the community. Not all the committers are employees of XWiki SAS. It is true that the largest share of contributions come from XWiki SAS personnel, but not because we're doing closed source development out in the open just to appear open source. The main reason is that whenever we find a talented person sticking around, we usually try to keep that person's interest in the project by employing him (I am such an example). Another reason is that enterprise software communities have different mechanics than user software like browsers or desktop applications. Most of the users are employees of companies using XWiki internally, and they're just trying to get some problems fixed. After their problems are fixed, they go on with their main job. It is hard to get outside users to stick around long enough to get really motivated into staying for the long term. It happens in just two cases: When their company is using XWiki not just as an internal wiki for their company, but as a platform on which they build solutions for their own clients. And we have four such committers. The second case is when they're true hackers that just happened to get in touch with XWiki, and fell in love with it. I am such a person, and Caleb is another. If you check the mailing list activity on the long term, excluding the past week, you will see that we try to answer as many questions as we can, and that the non-committers also respond to questions that they can answer. As for "better open source projects", I for one strongly believe that the XWiki community is one of the best open source communities in the world, although rather on the small to medium size. But since I am an XWiki SAS employee, feel free to doubt my opinion. Now, about the build problem, most of the time it works, but we see from time to time problems raised on the mailing list. Maven is supposed to simplify things and to "just work", but a complex build configuration is more likely to fail than a simple java library. Someone will come in and help you, but don't count on too much interaction from the XWiki SAS employees until the end of the week. I hope that you'll give us a second chance. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
Sergiu, Thank you for the thoughtful, thorough, and reassuring response. I hope to ultimately find myself in the category of a hacker that fell in love with XWiki. I see a lot that interests me, and I see a lot of potential for "useful hacking" and, ultimately, contributing. But I'm much too old to fall into the category of someone eventually hired by XWiki SAS :-) That's not part of my life plan, while XWiki still may be. Before I ask for help in building XWiki next week I'll do my homework and try to truly master Maven (and m2e). --Gary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sergiu Dumitriu Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 4:27 PM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome? On 07/23/2012 05:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
Hi Gary, I'm going to start my answer with an excuse that covers most of the points raised in your mail: for the past week and this one as well, the XWiki SAS company is organizing an annual seminar for all its employees, and everybody is rather busy with all the activities going on here, including a hackaton that changes our priorities into getting a small project done before the end of the week. So this period is not a very good one to judge the interactions in the community. Not all the committers are employees of XWiki SAS. It is true that the largest share of contributions come from XWiki SAS personnel, but not because we're doing closed source development out in the open just to appear open source. The main reason is that whenever we find a talented person sticking around, we usually try to keep that person's interest in the project by employing him (I am such an example). Another reason is that enterprise software communities have different mechanics than user software like browsers or desktop applications. Most of the users are employees of companies using XWiki internally, and they're just trying to get some problems fixed. After their problems are fixed, they go on with their main job. It is hard to get outside users to stick around long enough to get really motivated into staying for the long term. It happens in just two cases: When their company is using XWiki not just as an internal wiki for their company, but as a platform on which they build solutions for their own clients. And we have four such committers. The second case is when they're true hackers that just happened to get in touch with XWiki, and fell in love with it. I am such a person, and Caleb is another. If you check the mailing list activity on the long term, excluding the past week, you will see that we try to answer as many questions as we can, and that the non-committers also respond to questions that they can answer. As for "better open source projects", I for one strongly believe that the XWiki community is one of the best open source communities in the world, although rather on the small to medium size. But since I am an XWiki SAS employee, feel free to doubt my opinion. Now, about the build problem, most of the time it works, but we see from time to time problems raised on the mailing list. Maven is supposed to simplify things and to "just work", but a complex build configuration is more likely to fail than a simple java library. Someone will come in and help you, but don't count on too much interaction from the XWiki SAS employees until the end of the week. I hope that you'll give us a second chance. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/ _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
+1 to all what Sergiu said. Gary you are very welcome. Rest assured that XWiki is one of the most open communities in the enterprise software world, and XWiki SAS is committed to favor this. If you want to know more about what we believe in you can checkout these few blog posts: http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/XWiki+%3A+Vision+Open+Source Ludovic XWiki SAS CEO 2012/7/23 Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]>:
On 07/23/2012 05:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
Hi Gary,
I'm going to start my answer with an excuse that covers most of the points raised in your mail: for the past week and this one as well, the XWiki SAS company is organizing an annual seminar for all its employees, and everybody is rather busy with all the activities going on here, including a hackaton that changes our priorities into getting a small project done before the end of the week. So this period is not a very good one to judge the interactions in the community.
Not all the committers are employees of XWiki SAS. It is true that the largest share of contributions come from XWiki SAS personnel, but not because we're doing closed source development out in the open just to appear open source. The main reason is that whenever we find a talented person sticking around, we usually try to keep that person's interest in the project by employing him (I am such an example).
Another reason is that enterprise software communities have different mechanics than user software like browsers or desktop applications. Most of the users are employees of companies using XWiki internally, and they're just trying to get some problems fixed. After their problems are fixed, they go on with their main job. It is hard to get outside users to stick around long enough to get really motivated into staying for the long term. It happens in just two cases: When their company is using XWiki not just as an internal wiki for their company, but as a platform on which they build solutions for their own clients. And we have four such committers. The second case is when they're true hackers that just happened to get in touch with XWiki, and fell in love with it. I am such a person, and Caleb is another.
If you check the mailing list activity on the long term, excluding the past week, you will see that we try to answer as many questions as we can, and that the non-committers also respond to questions that they can answer.
As for "better open source projects", I for one strongly believe that the XWiki community is one of the best open source communities in the world, although rather on the small to medium size. But since I am an XWiki SAS employee, feel free to doubt my opinion.
Now, about the build problem, most of the time it works, but we see from time to time problems raised on the mailing list. Maven is supposed to simplify things and to "just work", but a complex build configuration is more likely to fail than a simple java library. Someone will come in and help you, but don't count on too much interaction from the XWiki SAS employees until the end of the week.
I hope that you'll give us a second chance. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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Hi Gary, I would like to confirm Sergiu's message. Like him, I strongly believe that the XWiki community is one the best open source communities, and that participating to this project is really a pleasure for any serious java developer. I have joined the small circle of committers a few years ago after having used XWiki as a simple user for several years. The circle of commiters is not small because we are not open, but it is small because the requirements are high for truly participating to this project, and therefore need a lot of personal involvement. I should even admit that I am currently unable to participate as much as I would like, simply because I am lacking time. I really hope you will change your mind on this project, and maybe we will have the occasion to work in an not too distant future to further improve XWiki together... -- Denis Gervalle SOFTEC sa - CEO eGuilde sarl - CTO On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 12:27 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 07/23/2012 05:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
Hi Gary,
I'm going to start my answer with an excuse that covers most of the points raised in your mail: for the past week and this one as well, the XWiki SAS company is organizing an annual seminar for all its employees, and everybody is rather busy with all the activities going on here, including a hackaton that changes our priorities into getting a small project done before the end of the week. So this period is not a very good one to judge the interactions in the community.
Not all the committers are employees of XWiki SAS. It is true that the largest share of contributions come from XWiki SAS personnel, but not because we're doing closed source development out in the open just to appear open source. The main reason is that whenever we find a talented person sticking around, we usually try to keep that person's interest in the project by employing him (I am such an example).
Another reason is that enterprise software communities have different mechanics than user software like browsers or desktop applications. Most of the users are employees of companies using XWiki internally, and they're just trying to get some problems fixed. After their problems are fixed, they go on with their main job. It is hard to get outside users to stick around long enough to get really motivated into staying for the long term. It happens in just two cases: When their company is using XWiki not just as an internal wiki for their company, but as a platform on which they build solutions for their own clients. And we have four such committers. The second case is when they're true hackers that just happened to get in touch with XWiki, and fell in love with it. I am such a person, and Caleb is another.
If you check the mailing list activity on the long term, excluding the past week, you will see that we try to answer as many questions as we can, and that the non-committers also respond to questions that they can answer.
As for "better open source projects", I for one strongly believe that the XWiki community is one of the best open source communities in the world, although rather on the small to medium size. But since I am an XWiki SAS employee, feel free to doubt my opinion.
Now, about the build problem, most of the time it works, but we see from time to time problems raised on the mailing list. Maven is supposed to simplify things and to "just work", but a complex build configuration is more likely to fail than a simple java library. Someone will come in and help you, but don't count on too much interaction from the XWiki SAS employees until the end of the week.
I hope that you'll give us a second chance. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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Quickly: I am an outside developer, I have only contributed small patches here and there and our main platform, curriki.org, is heavily using XWiki. It really often happens that many many things get answered but sure sometimes things fall through the cracks. The XWiki SAS team answers real well for many issues, others also answer fast. I try to help when I can and quite a few others as well. I am sorry I did not see your request but building is not really my expertise. I rarely had issues at building I must say. There are encouragements to participate and these are basically at the level of fame and peer approval (being a mailing-list), and of course in terms of being helped quickly, e.g. that happened just now on #xwiki and the collaboration curriki xwiki is rather a fruitfui collaboration. paul Le 23 juil. 2012 à 23:24, Gary Kopp a écrit :
Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors.
Hi Gary, Since you're not the first one to ask I've created a FAQ entry about this: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/What+is+the+relationship+between+XWi... Hope you'll find the information you were looking for inside and that you'll be reassured that we are completely the opposite of what you initially thought (we strive very hard to NOT be a closed open source and make every effort to be what I call a "real open source project", i.e. a community-based open source project. If you see any deviation from this please point them out. It seems to me that you confused the way we work with the fact that you didn't get any fast reply to your question and you jumped to a bit hasty conclusions ;) Generally speaking (excluding the Seminar thing), the reasons people answer faster to some people than others: * They know each other from their previous work in the community and thus have built respect and the person getting replied to has **contributed** back to the community thus establishing this level of intimacy/confidence * They know the topic and can thus answer * How the questions are phrased, how long the question is, and how easy they are to be answered * ah yes… also… the phase of the moon… ;) Thanks -Vincent On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
Vincent, I freely admit that I did indeed form conclusions prematurely, complicated by the happenstance that I picked precisely the wrong point in time to evaluate the community (during your seminar). Given the responses on this thread and the resources you have referenced I now find the XWiki project to be extremely appealing from a developer's standpoint. I thank you, and the others on this thread, for taking the time to straighten me out. My current plan is to "give back" in some significant fashion. I am an exception to your typical contributor, and this will hopefully work to the community's benefit (but only time will tell). I am a "retired" software engineer, and I am still driven to architect (my true speciality) and code simply to exercise my mind and create things of "beauty." This is how I choose to spend my retirement, and I have no other time-consuming activities. So, being by nature obsessive-compulsive, immersive, and highly productive, whatever "hobby" I pick (XWiki) will receive my more-than-full-time attention, on a long term basis. Of course, I have my own special areas of interest when it comes to XWiki, even if they are not driven by currently recognized requirements. The one that is foremost in my thinking at this time is semantic content. The good news/bad news about this interest is that it will undoubtedly lead to clashes with the current WikiModel. I see from your posts that you personally see the model as the last (?) remaining core piece that needs re-architecting. I will not presume to say that I can be of any help here, but I will indeed be looking into it once I have completely absorbed the existing architecture of the entire XWiki platform. But first I have to get the darned system built :-) --Gary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:31 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome? Hi Gary, Since you're not the first one to ask I've created a FAQ entry about this: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/What+is+the+relationship+between+XWi ki+SAS+and+the+XWiki+open+source+project Hope you'll find the information you were looking for inside and that you'll be reassured that we are completely the opposite of what you initially thought (we strive very hard to NOT be a closed open source and make every effort to be what I call a "real open source project", i.e. a community-based open source project. If you see any deviation from this please point them out. It seems to me that you confused the way we work with the fact that you didn't get any fast reply to your question and you jumped to a bit hasty conclusions ;) Generally speaking (excluding the Seminar thing), the reasons people answer faster to some people than others: * They know each other from their previous work in the community and thus have built respect and the person getting replied to has **contributed** back to the community thus establishing this level of intimacy/confidence * They know the topic and can thus answer * How the questions are phrased, how long the question is, and how easy they are to be answered * ah yes. also. the phase of the moon. ;) Thanks -Vincent On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
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Hey this is great! Thanks for presenting what you'd like to do and your interests. That's very cool. I really hope you like it here in this community :) Most of us here also like to create "things of beauty" so you should feel at home! Re the build what issue do you have? Thanks -Vincent On Jul 24, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
Vincent,
I freely admit that I did indeed form conclusions prematurely, complicated by the happenstance that I picked precisely the wrong point in time to evaluate the community (during your seminar). Given the responses on this thread and the resources you have referenced I now find the XWiki project to be extremely appealing from a developer's standpoint. I thank you, and the others on this thread, for taking the time to straighten me out.
My current plan is to "give back" in some significant fashion. I am an exception to your typical contributor, and this will hopefully work to the community's benefit (but only time will tell). I am a "retired" software engineer, and I am still driven to architect (my true speciality) and code simply to exercise my mind and create things of "beauty." This is how I choose to spend my retirement, and I have no other time-consuming activities. So, being by nature obsessive-compulsive, immersive, and highly productive, whatever "hobby" I pick (XWiki) will receive my more-than-full-time attention, on a long term basis.
Of course, I have my own special areas of interest when it comes to XWiki, even if they are not driven by currently recognized requirements. The one that is foremost in my thinking at this time is semantic content. The good news/bad news about this interest is that it will undoubtedly lead to clashes with the current WikiModel. I see from your posts that you personally see the model as the last (?) remaining core piece that needs re-architecting. I will not presume to say that I can be of any help here, but I will indeed be looking into it once I have completely absorbed the existing architecture of the entire XWiki platform. But first I have to get the darned system built :-)
--Gary
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:31 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome?
Hi Gary,
Since you're not the first one to ask I've created a FAQ entry about this: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/What+is+the+relationship+between+XWi ki+SAS+and+the+XWiki+open+source+project
Hope you'll find the information you were looking for inside and that you'll be reassured that we are completely the opposite of what you initially thought (we strive very hard to NOT be a closed open source and make every effort to be what I call a "real open source project", i.e. a community-based open source project.
If you see any deviation from this please point them out. It seems to me that you confused the way we work with the fact that you didn't get any fast reply to your question and you jumped to a bit hasty conclusions ;)
Generally speaking (excluding the Seminar thing), the reasons people answer faster to some people than others: * They know each other from their previous work in the community and thus have built respect and the person getting replied to has **contributed** back to the community thus establishing this level of intimacy/confidence * They know the topic and can thus answer * How the questions are phrased, how long the question is, and how easy they are to be answered * ah yes. also. the phase of the moon. ;)
Thanks -Vincent
On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
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My build issues all center around Maven problems, both from the command line and using m2eclipse (different problems in each case). But my knowledge of Maven is deficient, so I've decided to do some in-depth Maven reading before asking potentially stupid questions and wasting everyone's time :-) --Gary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 7:36 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome? Hey this is great! Thanks for presenting what you'd like to do and your interests. That's very cool. I really hope you like it here in this community :) Most of us here also like to create "things of beauty" so you should feel at home! Re the build what issue do you have? Thanks -Vincent On Jul 24, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
Vincent,
I freely admit that I did indeed form conclusions prematurely, complicated by the happenstance that I picked precisely the wrong point in time to evaluate the community (during your seminar). Given the responses on this thread and the resources you have referenced I now find the XWiki project to be extremely appealing from a developer's standpoint. I thank you, and the others on this thread, for taking the time to straighten me out.
My current plan is to "give back" in some significant fashion. I am an exception to your typical contributor, and this will hopefully work to the community's benefit (but only time will tell). I am a "retired" software engineer, and I am still driven to architect (my true speciality) and code simply to exercise my mind and create things of "beauty." This is how I choose to spend my retirement, and I have no other time-consuming activities. So, being by nature obsessive-compulsive, immersive, and highly productive, whatever "hobby" I pick (XWiki) will receive my more-than-full-time attention, on a long term basis.
Of course, I have my own special areas of interest when it comes to XWiki, even if they are not driven by currently recognized requirements. The one that is foremost in my thinking at this time is semantic content. The good news/bad news about this interest is that it will undoubtedly lead to clashes with the current WikiModel. I see from your posts that you personally see the model as the last (?) remaining core piece that needs re-architecting. I will not presume to say that I can be of any help here, but I will indeed be looking into it once I have completely absorbed the existing architecture of the entire XWiki platform. But first I have to get the darned system built :-)
--Gary
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:31 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome?
Hi Gary,
Since you're not the first one to ask I've created a FAQ entry about this: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/What+is+the+relationship+betwe en+XWi ki+SAS+and+the+XWiki+open+source+project
Hope you'll find the information you were looking for inside and that you'll be reassured that we are completely the opposite of what you initially thought (we strive very hard to NOT be a closed open source and make every effort to be what I call a "real open source project", i.e. a community-based open source project.
If you see any deviation from this please point them out. It seems to me that you confused the way we work with the fact that you didn't get any fast reply to your question and you jumped to a bit hasty conclusions ;)
Generally speaking (excluding the Seminar thing), the reasons people answer faster to some people than others: * They know each other from their previous work in the community and thus have built respect and the person getting replied to has **contributed** back to the community thus establishing this level of intimacy/confidence * They know the topic and can thus answer * How the questions are phrased, how long the question is, and how easy they are to be answered * ah yes. also. the phase of the moon. ;)
Thanks -Vincent
On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Hello Gary, Just to add my little testimony to the discussion. I'm a former XWiki SAS employee, and still an active committer and contributor - to the extend of the time I can allow myself doing that. That's one of the things that makes truly open projects great : leaving the company doesn't mean giving up on the community. And vice-versa : employees don't get automatic committership rights on the project. If you look at the the hall of fame http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/HallOfFame#HCoreCommitters, you'll see a fair share of core committers are XWiki SAS affiliated, but that there are "outsiders" as well. Hope you like it there :) Regards, Jerome On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Gary Kopp <[email protected]> wrote:
Vincent,
I freely admit that I did indeed form conclusions prematurely, complicated by the happenstance that I picked precisely the wrong point in time to evaluate the community (during your seminar). Given the responses on this thread and the resources you have referenced I now find the XWiki project to be extremely appealing from a developer's standpoint. I thank you, and the others on this thread, for taking the time to straighten me out.
My current plan is to "give back" in some significant fashion. I am an exception to your typical contributor, and this will hopefully work to the community's benefit (but only time will tell). I am a "retired" software engineer, and I am still driven to architect (my true speciality) and code simply to exercise my mind and create things of "beauty." This is how I choose to spend my retirement, and I have no other time-consuming activities. So, being by nature obsessive-compulsive, immersive, and highly productive, whatever "hobby" I pick (XWiki) will receive my more-than-full-time attention, on a long term basis.
Of course, I have my own special areas of interest when it comes to XWiki, even if they are not driven by currently recognized requirements. The one that is foremost in my thinking at this time is semantic content. The good news/bad news about this interest is that it will undoubtedly lead to clashes with the current WikiModel. I see from your posts that you personally see the model as the last (?) remaining core piece that needs re-architecting. I will not presume to say that I can be of any help here, but I will indeed be looking into it once I have completely absorbed the existing architecture of the entire XWiki platform. But first I have to get the darned system built :-)
--Gary
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:31 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome?
Hi Gary,
Since you're not the first one to ask I've created a FAQ entry about this:
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/What+is+the+relationship+between+XWi ki+SAS+and+the+XWiki+open+source+project
Hope you'll find the information you were looking for inside and that you'll be reassured that we are completely the opposite of what you initially thought (we strive very hard to NOT be a closed open source and make every effort to be what I call a "real open source project", i.e. a community-based open source project.
If you see any deviation from this please point them out. It seems to me that you confused the way we work with the fact that you didn't get any fast reply to your question and you jumped to a bit hasty conclusions ;)
Generally speaking (excluding the Seminar thing), the reasons people answer faster to some people than others: * They know each other from their previous work in the community and thus have built respect and the person getting replied to has **contributed** back to the community thus establishing this level of intimacy/confidence * They know the topic and can thus answer * How the questions are phrased, how long the question is, and how easy they are to be answered * ah yes. also. the phase of the moon. ;)
Thanks -Vincent
On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Thanks for the additional testimony, Jerome. This might be a bit off-topic or even inappropriate, but I can't control my curiosity :-) XWiki SAS is headquartered in Paris. But there's a satellite in Romania. How did the Romanian connection come about? --Gary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerome Velociter Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:45 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome? Hello Gary, Just to add my little testimony to the discussion. I'm a former XWiki SAS employee, and still an active committer and contributor - to the extend of the time I can allow myself doing that. That's one of the things that makes truly open projects great : leaving the company doesn't mean giving up on the community. And vice-versa : employees don't get automatic committership rights on the project. If you look at the the hall of fame http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/HallOfFame#HCoreCommitters, you'll see a fair share of core committers are XWiki SAS affiliated, but that there are "outsiders" as well. Hope you like it there :) Regards, Jerome On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Gary Kopp <[email protected]> wrote:
Vincent,
I freely admit that I did indeed form conclusions prematurely, complicated by the happenstance that I picked precisely the wrong point in time to evaluate the community (during your seminar). Given the responses on this thread and the resources you have referenced I now find the XWiki project to be extremely appealing from a developer's standpoint. I thank you, and the others on this thread, for taking the time to straighten me out.
My current plan is to "give back" in some significant fashion. I am an exception to your typical contributor, and this will hopefully work to the community's benefit (but only time will tell). I am a "retired" software engineer, and I am still driven to architect (my true speciality) and code simply to exercise my mind and create things of "beauty." This is how I choose to spend my retirement, and I have no other time-consuming activities. So, being by nature obsessive-compulsive, immersive, and highly productive, whatever "hobby" I pick (XWiki) will receive my more-than-full-time attention, on a long term basis.
Of course, I have my own special areas of interest when it comes to XWiki, even if they are not driven by currently recognized requirements. The one that is foremost in my thinking at this time is semantic content. The good news/bad news about this interest is that it will undoubtedly lead to clashes with the current WikiModel. I see from your posts that you personally see the model as the last (?) remaining core piece that needs re-architecting. I will not presume to say that I can be of any help here, but I will indeed be looking into it once I have completely absorbed the existing architecture of the entire XWiki platform. But first I have to get the darned system built :-)
--Gary
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:31 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome?
Hi Gary,
Since you're not the first one to ask I've created a FAQ entry about this:
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/What+is+the+relationship+betwe en+XWi ki+SAS+and+the+XWiki+open+source+project
Hope you'll find the information you were looking for inside and that you'll be reassured that we are completely the opposite of what you initially thought (we strive very hard to NOT be a closed open source and make every effort to be what I call a "real open source project", i.e. a community-based open source project.
If you see any deviation from this please point them out. It seems to me that you confused the way we work with the fact that you didn't get any fast reply to your question and you jumped to a bit hasty conclusions ;)
Generally speaking (excluding the Seminar thing), the reasons people answer faster to some people than others: * They know each other from their previous work in the community and thus have built respect and the person getting replied to has **contributed** back to the community thus establishing this level of intimacy/confidence * They know the topic and can thus answer * How the questions are phrased, how long the question is, and how easy they are to be answered * ah yes. also. the phase of the moon. ;)
Thanks -Vincent
On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Jul 24, 2012, at 4:59 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
Thanks for the additional testimony, Jerome.
This might be a bit off-topic or even inappropriate, but I can't control my curiosity :-) XWiki SAS is headquartered in Paris. But there's a satellite in Romania. How did the Romanian connection come about?
There were 2 GSOC students that contributed to the XWiki open source project and they continued to be active (Sergiu and Marta - Sergiu is still very active in the project and Marta from time to time) even after the GSOC. At some point XWiki SAS asked them if they wanted to join the company and they agreed. It just happened that 1) they were living in Romania (could have been any other part of the world!) and 2) they were teachers at the University and knew a lot of good computer science students and XWiki SAS also hired a few of them who themselves had friends… ;) And in no time there was a Romanian subsidiary ;) Thanks -Vincent
--Gary
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jerome Velociter Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:45 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome?
Hello Gary,
Just to add my little testimony to the discussion.
I'm a former XWiki SAS employee, and still an active committer and contributor - to the extend of the time I can allow myself doing that. That's one of the things that makes truly open projects great : leaving the company doesn't mean giving up on the community. And vice-versa : employees don't get automatic committership rights on the project. If you look at the the hall of fame http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/HallOfFame#HCoreCommitters, you'll see a fair share of core committers are XWiki SAS affiliated, but that there are "outsiders" as well.
Hope you like it there :)
Regards, Jerome
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 3:17 PM, Gary Kopp <[email protected]> wrote:
Vincent,
I freely admit that I did indeed form conclusions prematurely, complicated by the happenstance that I picked precisely the wrong point in time to evaluate the community (during your seminar). Given the responses on this thread and the resources you have referenced I now find the XWiki project to be extremely appealing from a developer's standpoint. I thank you, and the others on this thread, for taking the time to straighten me out.
My current plan is to "give back" in some significant fashion. I am an exception to your typical contributor, and this will hopefully work to the community's benefit (but only time will tell). I am a "retired" software engineer, and I am still driven to architect (my true speciality) and code simply to exercise my mind and create things of "beauty." This is how I choose to spend my retirement, and I have no other time-consuming activities. So, being by nature obsessive-compulsive, immersive, and highly productive, whatever "hobby" I pick (XWiki) will receive my more-than-full-time attention, on a long term basis.
Of course, I have my own special areas of interest when it comes to XWiki, even if they are not driven by currently recognized requirements. The one that is foremost in my thinking at this time is semantic content. The good news/bad news about this interest is that it will undoubtedly lead to clashes with the current WikiModel. I see from your posts that you personally see the model as the last (?) remaining core piece that needs re-architecting. I will not presume to say that I can be of any help here, but I will indeed be looking into it once I have completely absorbed the existing architecture of the entire XWiki platform. But first I have to get the darned system built :-)
--Gary
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vincent Massol Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 12:31 AM To: XWiki Developers Subject: Re: [xwiki-devs] Are Outside Developers Really Welcome?
Hi Gary,
Since you're not the first one to ask I've created a FAQ entry about this:
http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/FAQ/What+is+the+relationship+betwe en+XWi ki+SAS+and+the+XWiki+open+source+project
Hope you'll find the information you were looking for inside and that you'll be reassured that we are completely the opposite of what you initially thought (we strive very hard to NOT be a closed open source and make every effort to be what I call a "real open source project", i.e. a community-based open source project.
If you see any deviation from this please point them out. It seems to me that you confused the way we work with the fact that you didn't get any fast reply to your question and you jumped to a bit hasty conclusions ;)
Generally speaking (excluding the Seminar thing), the reasons people answer faster to some people than others: * They know each other from their previous work in the community and thus have built respect and the person getting replied to has **contributed** back to the community thus establishing this level of intimacy/confidence * They know the topic and can thus answer * How the questions are phrased, how long the question is, and how easy they are to be answered * ah yes. also. the phase of the moon. ;)
Thanks -Vincent
On Jul 23, 2012, at 11:24 PM, Gary Kopp wrote:
To XWiki SAS, and non-affiliated XWiki developers:
While XWiki meets the technical requirements of being "open source," so far I have found it to be a bit "closed" in its pragmatic aspects. The developers actually interacting in public on this list all seem to be employees of the sponsors, and the communications seem to restrict themselves to development going on internally. Over the last week or so, questions coming in from "outsiders" (like myself) go unanswered. It's not necessarily atypical for open source sponsors to be unresponsive to outsiders, but the better open source projects still encourage the active committers to provide some level of support for potential contributors. Beyond that, when outside "hackers" (meant in a positive sense) are tinkering with an open source project they typically do offer their own contributions to questions raised on development mailing lists, in those open source projects where such activity is possible and/or encouraged. I see no evidence of outsider developers/hackers in the XWiki project.
What finally led me to write this e-mail is my inability to build XWiki from source. I was initially encouraged by the presence of quite a bit of information about building in the wiki documents. But when I actually tried to put the instructions into practice I found them to be less than complete, and unable to be followed to a successful conclusion (while the purpose of this e-mail is not to get help with these problems, I will note that most of my problems revolve around Maven). I have reached the conclusion that the only people really able to build XWiki are its sponsors, using their own procedures, and these procedures are _not_ those currently found on the wiki. I hope I am wrong about this.
So, are outside developers encouraged to participate? Is any XWiki development going on outside of the sponsoring organizations? If so, do those developers find the current building documentation to be adequate, and I'm simply not up to the task?
--Gary
participants (7)
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Denis Gervalle -
Gary Kopp -
Jerome Velociter -
Ludovic Dubost -
Paul Libbrecht -
Sergiu Dumitriu -
Vincent Massol