Re: [xwiki-devs] GWT WYSIWYG+Wikimodel/Doxia+Stats (was Re: work status)
Hi Vincent,
Hi Marius,
Thanks for the feedback, see below.
On Oct 31, 2007, at 11:39 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Hi,
Due to some technical problems I had over the past few days I haven't been able to stay online too much so I'm gonna catch up with you guys by telling you about my work status.
1. The new GWT based WYSIWYG editor is in 'stand-by' mode until I have an API for the WikiModel. You can see what I've done so far at http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt#HThene... .
I've had a talk yesterday with Ludovic and others and we think we need to start again working on the WYSIWYG editor since it's really important. However since the editor depends on the underlying rendering mechanism the idea would be to work only on the UI part for now so as to be prepared when the new rendering is done.
In term of priorities, I think you should finish first the Stats features you're working on first and then move on to this if that's ok with you.
This is great news. I'd be more than happy to continue the work on the WYSIWYG editor after I finish with the Stats page. Basically, I'm going to develop a bunch of custom GWT widgets like the tool bar, status bar, context menu, rich text area, and so on, which are independent of the xwiki's rendering mechanism. I'll plan this as soon as I'm done with the Stats, and of course I'll let you know through devs list.
2. Regarding the WikiModel, I scanned the code from http://code.google.com/p/wikimodel/, I followed the discussion on this list and I read general stuff about Doxia. So I look forward to see Vincent's API for the WikiModel+Doxia.
To be honest I'm disappointed by wikimodel. It's far less advanced than I had initially thought (basically it's only interfaces right now, even the parsers are not finished, and there are no listeners written for XHTML, etc).
I'm sorry to hear that.
This is why I started looking at Doxia. My take is that the only interesting solution for xwiki is if WikiModel could join Doxia (which is more advanced and has more active contributors). I'm waiting for Mikhail's decision on this. The Doxia team would be happy to embrace his donation of wikimodel to Apache.
Looks like Mikhail has a tough decision to make. I bet he feels he's loosing his "child". I know I would.
On my side, I've started playing with Doxia and I've started a XWiki sink which allows converting from any doxia supported syntax to XWiki (Confluence, TWiki, etc). I'm going to continue working on this since 1) it allows me to know the state of Doxia better and 2) it's useful for us to have these conversion tools.
I also need to send a new summary email to see how the suggested architecrture for the new XWiki rendering mechanism would work with Doxia. I believe it would work exactly in the same manner as with wikimodel though since they're very similar in their APIs.
Thus the following step for me is to create a xwiki-rendering module in the core to start the rendering interfaces and the mapping to Doxia/ Wikimodel. Unfortunately I'm busy on stuff for Javapolis (new xwiki.org web site + 1.2 release) and I'm working on this on a best effort basis. I shall be able to progress much faster after JP.
I look forward to seeing your proposal.
3. I've created a plug-in wrapper for the JodaTime framework that is now available in both standard and enterprise distributions. I still have to write some selenium tests for it and of course the documentation on xwiki.org, in the code/plugins area. You can find more details at http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWIKI-1820.
4. I'm currently working on the Stats page. I almost finished implementing the java part and the next step will be to create the stats (in page) panels using velocity and the chart macro. See http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-37 for more details.
Could you provide more details on this? Some questions:
1) Could you show us the UI part of what you're designing or what you're planning to implement? Maybe you could also ask Laurent Lunati for his help on the design part?
In one of my previous mails (http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004346.html) I tried to sketch the panels I'm going to put on the Stats page. I haven't got any feedback since so I considered the layout was fine. Laurent's help with the design would be appreciated. I can provide more details if needed.
2) Does your work require any change to the XWiki Platform Core? Or is it just changes at the application level (XAR)? If there are changes in the core what are the?
Yes, I made some changes to the core and I'll add some docs to the enterprise XAR. See http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004344.html for more details.
3) What is your target date for finishing this task? We need to plan in which version we can have it (and we need it sooner rather than later ;)).
If you look at http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004344.html you'll see there 8 steps. I've just started the 6th step. Here's my planning: step 6 : 1 day step 7 : 3 days step 8 : 1 day debugging : 1 day unexpected : 1 day ------------------ 7 working days, starting from November 5th So I hope I'll be able to show you the new Stats page on November 14th. Is this ok?. Tomorrow (November 2nd) I'll finish with the jodatime plugin (selenium tests and xwiki.org documentation).
Thanks Marius for this feedback and the work you're doing! -Vincent
Thanks Vincent for your support! -Marius
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Hi Marius, On Nov 1, 2007, at 10:45 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote: [snip]
1. The new GWT based WYSIWYG editor is in 'stand-by' mode until I have an API for the WikiModel. You can see what I've done so far at http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt#HThene... .
I've had a talk yesterday with Ludovic and others and we think we need to start again working on the WYSIWYG editor since it's really important. However since the editor depends on the underlying rendering mechanism the idea would be to work only on the UI part for now so as to be prepared when the new rendering is done.
In term of priorities, I think you should finish first the Stats features you're working on first and then move on to this if that's ok with you.
This is great news. I'd be more than happy to continue the work on the WYSIWYG editor after I finish with the Stats page. Basically, I'm going to develop a bunch of custom GWT widgets like the tool bar, status bar, context menu, rich text area, and so on, which are independent of the xwiki's rendering mechanism.
cool. Make sure you communicate what you do when you start it. Ludovic has had the most experience with GWT and it would be good to validate your design with him on this list. [snip]
4. I'm currently working on the Stats page. I almost finished implementing the java part and the next step will be to create the stats (in page) panels using velocity and the chart macro. See http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-37 for more details.
Could you provide more details on this? Some questions:
1) Could you show us the UI part of what you're designing or what you're planning to implement? Maybe you could also ask Laurent Lunati for his help on the design part?
In one of my previous mails (http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004346.html) I tried to sketch the panels I'm going to put on the Stats page. I haven't got any feedback since so I considered the layout was fine. Laurent's help with the design would be appreciated. I can provide more details if needed.
Yes you're right. Unfortunately people are often busy on other stuff and they don't always check the list as they should... ;) Regarding this stats implementation I know that at least the following developers are interested in the topic: - Ludovic - Thomas (since he's the XEM lead and these stats have to be integrated in XEM) - myself (since I'm the XE lead) I have answered to you already as to what I'd like to have in XE. However it would be good if you could proactively ping Ludovic and/or Thomas to ensure what you're doing is fine with them too.
2) Does your work require any change to the XWiki Platform Core? Or is it just changes at the application level (XAR)? If there are changes in the core what are the?
Yes, I made some changes to the core and I'll add some docs to the enterprise XAR. See http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004344.html for more details.
Just talked to you about this and replied to the list.
3) What is your target date for finishing this task? We need to plan in which version we can have it (and we need it sooner rather than later ;)).
If you look at http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004344.html you'll see there 8 steps. I've just started the 6th step. Here's my planning:
step 6 : 1 day step 7 : 3 days step 8 : 1 day debugging : 1 day unexpected : 1 day ------------------ 7 working days, starting from November 5th
So I hope I'll be able to show you the new Stats page on November 14th. Is this ok?. Tomorrow (November 2nd) I'll finish with the jodatime plugin (selenium tests and xwiki.org documentation).
As agreed we'll split the java part from the ui part and include the java part in 1.2M2. Thanks -Vincent
XEM will use statistics thought XE. It will just expose it adding muli-wikis concept. For me it seems ok with what I seen in you mails. Anyway good job Marius :) 2007/11/6, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>:
Hi Marius,
On Nov 1, 2007, at 10:45 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
[snip]
1. The new GWT based WYSIWYG editor is in 'stand-by' mode until I have an API for the WikiModel. You can see what I've done so far at http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewWysiwygEditorBasedOnGwt#HThene... .
I've had a talk yesterday with Ludovic and others and we think we need to start again working on the WYSIWYG editor since it's really important. However since the editor depends on the underlying rendering mechanism the idea would be to work only on the UI part for now so as to be prepared when the new rendering is done.
In term of priorities, I think you should finish first the Stats features you're working on first and then move on to this if that's ok with you.
This is great news. I'd be more than happy to continue the work on the WYSIWYG editor after I finish with the Stats page. Basically, I'm going to develop a bunch of custom GWT widgets like the tool bar, status bar, context menu, rich text area, and so on, which are independent of the xwiki's rendering mechanism.
cool. Make sure you communicate what you do when you start it. Ludovic has had the most experience with GWT and it would be good to validate your design with him on this list.
[snip]
4. I'm currently working on the Stats page. I almost finished implementing the java part and the next step will be to create the stats (in page) panels using velocity and the chart macro. See http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XE-37 for more details.
Could you provide more details on this? Some questions:
1) Could you show us the UI part of what you're designing or what you're planning to implement? Maybe you could also ask Laurent Lunati for his help on the design part?
In one of my previous mails (http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004346.html) I tried to sketch the panels I'm going to put on the Stats page. I haven't got any feedback since so I considered the layout was fine. Laurent's help with the design would be appreciated. I can provide more details if needed.
Yes you're right. Unfortunately people are often busy on other stuff and they don't always check the list as they should... ;)
Regarding this stats implementation I know that at least the following developers are interested in the topic:
- Ludovic - Thomas (since he's the XEM lead and these stats have to be integrated in XEM) - myself (since I'm the XE lead)
I have answered to you already as to what I'd like to have in XE. However it would be good if you could proactively ping Ludovic and/or Thomas to ensure what you're doing is fine with them too.
2) Does your work require any change to the XWiki Platform Core? Or is it just changes at the application level (XAR)? If there are changes in the core what are the?
Yes, I made some changes to the core and I'll add some docs to the enterprise XAR. See http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004344.html for more details.
Just talked to you about this and replied to the list.
3) What is your target date for finishing this task? We need to plan in which version we can have it (and we need it sooner rather than later ;)).
If you look at http://lists.xwiki.org/pipermail/devs/2007-October/004344.html you'll see there 8 steps. I've just started the 6th step. Here's my planning:
step 6 : 1 day step 7 : 3 days step 8 : 1 day debugging : 1 day unexpected : 1 day ------------------ 7 working days, starting from November 5th
So I hope I'll be able to show you the new Stats page on November 14th. Is this ok?. Tomorrow (November 2nd) I'll finish with the jodatime plugin (selenium tests and xwiki.org documentation).
As agreed we'll split the java part from the ui part and include the java part in 1.2M2.
Thanks -Vincent
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