[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Who has the right to create a new subwiki/workspace ?
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki. -------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis -------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup. -------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis. ---- WDYT? Thanks, Louis-Marie
Hi, When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' notion, you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup (both workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis. Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, there are 2 problems here: 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have CRUD rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, object), but that's a different topic. 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and workspace and no way to allow one over the other. Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a first implementation (not for the long run). In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove that limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can be done as for workspaces. Thanks, Eduard On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki.
-------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis
-------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup.
-------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis.
---- WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
I agree with Edy. In the "wiki farm" case, you want to restrict subwiki creation to admins. In the "workspaces" case, you want any user to be able to create a workspace. I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a technical point of view. We have not seen the end of this debate... Guillaume On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' notion, you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup (both workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis.
Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, there are 2 problems here: 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have CRUD rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, object), but that's a different topic. 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and workspace and no way to allow one over the other.
Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a first implementation (not for the long run).
In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove that limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can be done as for workspaces.
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki.
-------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis
-------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup.
-------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis.
---- WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Edy. In the "wiki farm" case, you want to restrict subwiki creation to admins.
could you explain why?
In the "workspaces" case, you want any user to be able to create a workspace.
Personally I don't see any difference. With Caty's proposal D (and B), there's only 1 concept too so making a difference doesn't make any sense. The only different is that for the "farm" use case you allow local users and I don't see why allowing local users should make a difference in who's allowed to create a subwiki or not. Thanks -Vincent
I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a technical point of view.
We have not seen the end of this debate...
Guillaume
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' notion, you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup (both workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis.
Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, there are 2 problems here: 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have CRUD rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, object), but that's a different topic. 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and workspace and no way to allow one over the other.
Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a first implementation (not for the long run).
In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove that limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can be done as for workspaces.
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki.
-------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis
-------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup.
-------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis.
---- WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Edy. In the "wiki farm" case, you want to restrict subwiki creation to admins.
could you explain why?
In the "workspaces" case, you want any user to be able to create a workspace.
Personally I don't see any difference. With Caty's proposal D (and B), there's only 1 concept too so making a difference doesn't make any sense. The only different is that for the "farm" use case you allow local users and I don't see why allowing local users should make a difference in who's allowed to create a subwiki or not.
Basically, what they said is that you may want to allow more users to create wiki without local users. So, does is means two different rights ? On right to create any kind of subwikis, and one right to create only subwikis without local users (workspace case). Do you see the difference now ?
Thanks -Vincent
I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a technical point of view.
We have not seen the end of this debate...
Guillaume
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' notion, you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup (both workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis.
Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, there are 2 problems here: 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have CRUD rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, object), but that's a different topic. 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and workspace and no way to allow one over the other.
Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a first implementation (not for the long run).
In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove that limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can be done as for workspaces.
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki.
-------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis
-------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup.
-------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis.
---- WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 6:19 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Edy. In the "wiki farm" case, you want to restrict subwiki creation to admins.
could you explain why?
In the "workspaces" case, you want any user to be able to create a workspace.
Personally I don't see any difference. With Caty's proposal D (and B), there's only 1 concept too so making a difference doesn't make any sense. The only different is that for the "farm" use case you allow local users and I don't see why allowing local users should make a difference in who's allowed to create a subwiki or not.
Basically, what they said is that you may want to allow more users to create wiki without local users. So, does is means two different rights ? On right to create any kind of subwikis, and one right to create only subwikis without local users (workspace case). Do you see the difference now ?
The only use case I can see would be if the admin of the wiki doesn't want to fragment its use base and thus not allow new users to be created on subwikis. But that should not be a right to create a subwiki (that's a different right and we need that one for sure). It should be a right specific to local user creation. Thanks -Vincent
Thanks -Vincent
I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a technical point of view.
We have not seen the end of this debate...
Guillaume
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' notion, you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup (both workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis.
Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, there are 2 problems here: 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have CRUD rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, object), but that's a different topic. 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and workspace and no way to allow one over the other.
Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a first implementation (not for the long run).
In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove that limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can be done as for workspaces.
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki.
-------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis
-------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup.
-------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis.
---- WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie
Hi, On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Edy. In the "wiki farm" case, you want to restrict subwiki creation to admins.
could you explain why?
In the "workspaces" case, you want any user to be able to create a workspace.
Personally I don't see any difference. With Caty's proposal D (and B), there's only 1 concept too so making a difference doesn't make any sense. The only different is that for the "farm" use case you allow local users and I don't see why allowing local users should make a difference in who's allowed to create a subwiki or not.
Thanks -Vincent
Just because you don't see the difference does not mean that other users of XWiki don't see it. Let me take several examples: 1. *Large organization where various groups want to have independent wikis for their knowledge bases:* no local users, wiki creation restricted to admins to avoid duplication of KBs 2. *"Pure" wiki farm as on myxwiki.org:* you only want admins to be able to create new wikis to prevent spam. Each wiki has its local users. 3. *Large organization where people want to work on projects with sub-contractors (some wikis act as an extranet):* local users allowed, anyone can create a wiki 4. *Company where people want to work on internal projects:* local users not allowed, anyone can create a wiki And in some cases you might want to accomodate 1. and 3. at the same time: control wiki creation to avoid duplication of knowledge bases but let anyone create a workspace for project work. I have not seen a solution that allows to address all of these use cases in the proposals yet. But I've seen XWiki users doing all of this. Guillaume
I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a technical
point of view.
We have not seen the end of this debate...
Guillaume
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' notion, you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup (both workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis.
Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, there are 2 problems here: 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have CRUD rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, object), but that's a different topic. 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and workspace and no way to allow one over the other.
Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a first implementation (not for the long run).
In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove that limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can be done as for workspaces.
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki.
-------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis
-------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup.
-------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis.
---- WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Aug 1, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Aug 1, 2013, at 4:25 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
I agree with Edy. In the "wiki farm" case, you want to restrict subwiki creation to admins.
could you explain why?
In the "workspaces" case, you want any user to be able to create a workspace.
Personally I don't see any difference. With Caty's proposal D (and B), there's only 1 concept too so making a difference doesn't make any sense. The only different is that for the "farm" use case you allow local users and I don't see why allowing local users should make a difference in who's allowed to create a subwiki or not.
Thanks -Vincent
Just because you don't see the difference does not mean that other users of XWiki don't see it. Let me take several examples:
1. *Large organization where various groups want to have independent wikis for their knowledge bases:* no local users, wiki creation restricted to admins to avoid duplication of KBs 2. *"Pure" wiki farm as on myxwiki.org:* you only want admins to be able to create new wikis to prevent spam. Each wiki has its local users. 3. *Large organization where people want to work on projects with sub-contractors (some wikis act as an extranet):* local users allowed, anyone can create a wiki 4. *Company where people want to work on internal projects:* local users not allowed, anyone can create a wiki
And in some cases you might want to accomodate 1. and 3. at the same time: control wiki creation to avoid duplication of knowledge bases but let anyone create a workspace for project work.
I have not seen a solution that allows to address all of these use cases in the proposals yet. But I've seen XWiki users doing all of this.
I think you misunderstood my point :) I'll repeat: * There's a definitive need to have a subwiki level right obviously (ie the right to create a subwiki or not) * I was less sure about another right to allow or not to create local users in a subwiki (basically the right to be able to check the "Allow local users" checkbox in the subwiki creation wizard). But the user fragmentation I mentioned in my previous reply might be important enough to require it. Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
I don't have feedback about the best option to handle this from a technical
point of view.
We have not seen the end of this debate...
Guillaume
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 12:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' notion, you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup (both workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis.
Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, there are 2 problems here: 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have CRUD rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, object), but that's a different topic. 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and workspace and no way to allow one over the other.
Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B would be just a hack for a first implementation (not for the long run).
In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove that limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can be done as for workspaces.
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki.
-------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis
-------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup.
-------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis.
---- WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie
On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 1:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
When you are mixing subwikis with workspaces into a single 'wiki' notion, you are creating problems for Admins that want to have a mixed setup (both workspaces and subwikis). They might want to let regular users create workspaces but allow only admins to create subwikis.
Regarding your proposals, I'd be +1 for a createWiki right (B). However, there are 2 problems here: 1) Lack of consistency with the other rights since we don`t have any createSpace/createDocument rights now. Would be nice though to have CRUD rights for each element in XWiki's model (wiki, space, document, class, object), but that's a different topic. 2) Same problem as above, there is no distinction between wiki and workspace and no way to allow one over the other.
Proposal A does not help much and Proposal B
Correction... I meant Proposal C here. Thanks, Eduard
would be just a hack for a first implementation (not for the long run).
In the current implementation, a way to limit workspace creation is to assign specific 'view' rights to the WorkspaceManager.CreateNewWorkspace document. Wiki creation is only available to admins, but if we remove that limitation from the wiki-manager-api java code, then the same thing can be done as for workspaces.
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Since we are integrating Workspaces to XE, I propose to add a new parameter to set who has the right to create a new subwiki.
-------------- Proposal A: -------------- We had a new item in the administration menu. This item is used to know what level of right is needed to create a new wiki. Examples: * any user who have the 'edit' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis * any user who have the 'admin' rights on the main wiki also has the right to create new wikis
-------------- Proposal B: -------------- We create a new right (since we can thanks to Denis) called "SubWiki creation right", and this right is needed to create a new subwiki. Then we can add it to XWikiAllGroup or XWikiAdminGroup.
-------------- Proposal C: -------------- We create a new group called 'XWikiAllowSubWikiCreationGroup', and everybody who is on this group can create new wikis.
---- WDYT?
Thanks,
Louis-Marie _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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