[xwiki-devs] [IDEA] Start supporting IE10 and IE11
Hello all, I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle. First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant. Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering our content sometimes, and you will see that below: IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA: 1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a different table cell 2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a word isn’t displayed on IE10 3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10 4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA: 1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View favourites, feeds and history" option 2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work 3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283). So, what do you think? Andreea
Hi Andre/everyone, On 9 May 2014 at 07:35:54, Andreea Popescu ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
Hello all,
I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant.
Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a different table cell 2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a word isn’t displayed on IE10 3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10 4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View favourites, feeds and history" option 2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work 3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
I agree that we need to officially support IE10/11. We’ve been waiting too long for that aready. Actually we started doing this for XWiki 5.4.x and we fixed all issues we knew at that time for IE10/11. However we’ve had some regression in XWiki 6.0-SNAPSHOT because we upgraded the GWT version we were using and that caused issues. I’ve seen that Marius has fixed some issue already for the WYSIWYG: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283. So I’m +1 to start officially supporting IE10/11 and add them to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy (which I’ve updated with a netmarketshare report). @Marius: you’re probably the one who’s done most of the browser support so far. Is it going to be a problem to support IE8, 9, 10, 11 at once (in term of workload)? Thanks -Vincent
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:08 AM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Andre/everyone,
On 9 May 2014 at 07:35:54, Andreea Popescu ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
Hello all,
I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant.
Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a different table cell
2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a word isn’t displayed on IE10 3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10
Minor. I don't think uses add multiple annotations on the same piece of text (they can reply to the annotation/comment instead).
4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size
Minor too.
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View favourites, feeds and history" option 2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work 3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
I agree that we need to officially support IE10/11. We’ve been waiting too long for that aready.
Actually we started doing this for XWiki 5.4.x and we fixed all issues we knew at that time for IE10/11.
However we’ve had some regression in XWiki 6.0-SNAPSHOT because we upgraded the GWT version we were using and that caused issues. I’ve seen that Marius has fixed some issue already for the WYSIWYG: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283.
So I’m +1 to start officially supporting IE10/11 and add them to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy (which I’ve updated with a netmarketshare report).
@Marius: you’re probably the one who’s done most of the browser support so far. Is it going to be a problem to support IE8, 9, 10, 11 at once (in term of workload)?
IE has become a lot more standards compliant in its recent versions so supporting IE10 and IE11 should be less difficult for us that it was to support IE6, 7 and 8. On the other hand, I think we should apply the same strategy we have for the other browsers: support only the latest version. See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy . So I think the XWiki *community* should support only IE11. Private companies, like those listed on http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport can of course offer support for older versions of IE, but that is their business. Thanks, Marius
Thanks -Vincent
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On 16 May 2014 at 13:04:37, Marius Dumitru Florea ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:08 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Hi Andre/everyone,
On 9 May 2014 at 07:35:54, Andreea Popescu ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
Hello all,
I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant.
Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a different table cell
2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a word isn’t displayed on IE10 3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10
Minor. I don't think uses add multiple annotations on the same piece of text (they can reply to the annotation/comment instead).
4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size
Minor too.
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View favourites, feeds and history" option 2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work 3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
I agree that we need to officially support IE10/11. We’ve been waiting too long for that aready.
Actually we started doing this for XWiki 5.4.x and we fixed all issues we knew at that time for IE10/11.
However we’ve had some regression in XWiki 6.0-SNAPSHOT because we upgraded the GWT version we were using and that caused issues. I’ve seen that Marius has fixed some issue already for the WYSIWYG: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283.
So I’m +1 to start officially supporting IE10/11 and add them to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy (which I’ve updated with a netmarketshare report).
@Marius: you’re probably the one who’s done most of the browser support so far. Is it going to be a problem to support IE8, 9, 10, 11 at once (in term of workload)?
IE has become a lot more standards compliant in its recent versions so supporting IE10 and IE11 should be less difficult for us that it was to support IE6, 7 and 8. On the other hand, I think we should apply the same strategy we have for the other browsers: support only the latest version. See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy .
So I think the XWiki *community* should support only IE11. Private companies, like those listed on http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport can of course offer support for older versions of IE, but that is their business.
That would make sense from the angle of applying the same strategy for all browsers but I don’t think this is what matters. What matters in the end is the userbase we’re going to support officially in XWiki. And looking at the browser stats, the reality is the one on the graph at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy: - IE8: 21% share - IE11: 14% - IE9: 9% - IE10: 8% - Chrome 33: 6% - FF 27: 5.3% Thus I think we have to support IE8, 9, 10, 11… WDYT? Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Marius
Thanks -Vincent
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 3:13 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
On 16 May 2014 at 13:04:37, Marius Dumitru Florea ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 10:08 AM, [email protected] wrote:
Hi Andre/everyone,
On 9 May 2014 at 07:35:54, Andreea Popescu ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
Hello all,
I’m writing this e-mail because I want to propose supporting Internet Explorer 10 and Internet Explorer 11 on 6.x cycle.
First of all, it’s known that Internet Explorer 8 and Internet Explorer 9 are still widely used by users, but many of them are currently choosing to update to IE10 and IE11. According to netmarketshare.com (Browsers -> Desktop Share by Version) from a total of 100%, IE10 is used by 6.85% users and IE11 by 16.61% users. It’s true that IE10 is not as popular as the older versions (IE8 - 20.85% and IE9 - 8.89%), but its usage percentage is still significant.
Second of all, both versions (IE10 and IE11) have some problems rendering our content sometimes, and you will see that below:
IE10 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-10269: Table edit: pressing enter inserts new line in a different table cell
2. XWIKI-10299: The last annotation for a word isn’t displayed on IE10 3. XWIKI-10300: If a text has multiple annotations after removing one of them the text looks like isn’t annotated on IE10
Minor. I don't think uses add multiple annotations on the same piece of text (they can reply to the annotation/comment instead).
4. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size
Minor too.
IE11 known problems (unfixed) reported on JIRA:
1. XWIKI-9933: When you press "Alt+C" in IE11 (cancel edition) in edit wiki mode, the wiki session is canceled, but it also appears the "View favourites, feeds and history" option 2. XWIKI-9787: Jump to a page using CTRL+G doesn’t work 3. XWIKI-10192: The "Username" and "Password" input fields don't have the same size
Last but not least, since December - January I’ve been testing IE10 and IE11 (smoke tests or full tests) and their biggest problems were with WYSIWYG (you can see that on: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283).
So, what do you think?
I agree that we need to officially support IE10/11. We’ve been waiting too long for that aready.
Actually we started doing this for XWiki 5.4.x and we fixed all issues we knew at that time for IE10/11.
However we’ve had some regression in XWiki 6.0-SNAPSHOT because we upgraded the GWT version we were using and that caused issues. I’ve seen that Marius has fixed some issue already for the WYSIWYG: XWIKI-9698, XWIKI-10282 and XWIKI-10283.
So I’m +1 to start officially supporting IE10/11 and add them to http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy (which I’ve updated with a netmarketshare report).
@Marius: you’re probably the one who’s done most of the browser support so far. Is it going to be a problem to support IE8, 9, 10, 11 at once (in term of workload)?
IE has become a lot more standards compliant in its recent versions so supporting IE10 and IE11 should be less difficult for us that it was to support IE6, 7 and 8. On the other hand, I think we should apply the same strategy we have for the other browsers: support only the latest version. See http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy .
So I think the XWiki *community* should support only IE11. Private companies, like those listed on http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/Support#HProfessionalSupport can of course offer support for older versions of IE, but that is their business.
That would make sense from the angle of applying the same strategy for all browsers but I don’t think this is what matters. What matters in the end is the userbase we’re going to support officially in XWiki.
And looking at the browser stats, the reality is the one on the graph at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy:
- IE8: 21% share - IE11: 14% - IE9: 9% - IE10: 8% - Chrome 33: 6% - FF 27: 5.3%
Thus I think we have to support IE8, 9, 10, 11…
I've seen these stats but the percentages represent web users, not XWiki users. We don't know for sure that the percentages are the same if we take into account only XWiki users. It would be interesting to see for instance the distribution of user agents that access xwiki.org . Adding browser info in Active Installs application is not easy because the ping requests are made by the server not by the client/browser. In any case, I'm not against supporting IE 8-11. I just think that XWiki users using older versions of IE should give something back in return for the additional effort we have to spend with workarounds for IE bugs. How many XWiki bugs related to IE have been reported by such XWiki-IE users versus XWiki active contributors that don't use IE but that test XWiki on IE (like Sorin, Manuel, Andreea)? Thanks, Marius
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Marius
Thanks -Vincent
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