On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 13:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Caty,

On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

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This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input.

Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment:

- Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look & feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose.

- On http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/... really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right.

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

Thanks -Vincent

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Category:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

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Section:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

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The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#prof...

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This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

Thanks, Caty

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First of all: it looks great ! I don't like uppercase but looks like it's only me. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Caty,

On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

...

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input.

Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment:

- Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look & feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose.

Same for me, an application should be able to provide its category/subcategory/etc.

- On http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/... I really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right.

Thanks -Vincent

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Category: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/... Section: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#prof...

This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

Thanks, Caty

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On 09/21/2010 05:25 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>wrote:

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First of all: it looks great !

I don't like uppercase but looks like it's only me.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57, Vincent Massol<[email protected]> wrote:

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Hi Caty,

On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

...

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input.

Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment:

- Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look& feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose.

Same for me, an application should be able to provide its category/subcategory/etc.

I would say same BUT "Applications" as a top level category makes sense.

What category would you put Meeting Manager under otherwise ? same for Polls, Expense reports, etc.

+1, I too think the "Applications" category is needed in the administration. Thanks, Marius

Jerome.

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http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/... really don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right.

...

Thanks -Vincent

...

Category:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

...

Section:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#prof...

...

This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

Thanks, Caty

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

On Sep 21, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>wrote:

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First of all: it looks great !

I don't like uppercase but looks like it's only me.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:57, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

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Hi Caty,

On Sep 21, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

...

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input.

Proposal:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration

Looks nice but I have 2 comments for the moment:

- Almost everything in XWiki is an application and the plan is to move even more in this direction. Actually any app will be more and more able to contribute config in any area (e.g. look & feel). Hence I don't think we should have a category named "applications". The Administration Object should instead have a category property that the author can choose.

Same for me, an application should be able to provide its category/subcategory/etc.

I would say same BUT "Applications" as a top level category makes sense.

What category would you put Meeting Manager under otherwise ? same for Polls, Expense reports, etc.

You'd need a bit of imagination Jerome! :)

Meeting Manager --> category = "Organisation", "People", "Scheduling". It

would be the same category as apps like the Calendar app and maybe the Scheduler app too. Expense Report --> category = "Human Resources" Polls --> category = "Reporting". Maybe in the same category as the Stats app.

OK, then it means you have dynamic categories, and admins can add new categories (otherwise you would probably get stuck at some point by your very specific business applications that do not fit in any generic categories we've pre-defined). Which is probably the way to go, indeed.

In any case since everything is an app you need categories and not just "Applications" which doesn't mean much at all since you'd need to justify why some apps have their own special categories and why others go in the one named "stuff", err.... "Applications"... ;)

I think there are two things we should not confuse : - Everything is an application from a technical PoV. Most of the users do not care about that (for example they don't care knowing the annotations, or the administration, or the dashboard is an app. They are just interested in their features). Take Facebook, and imagine the "messages" feature is internally built as a an application of the facebook platform (so same thing as Farmville). As a user, I don't see it, and I (very likely) don't care. - New applications can be downloaded from the (to be) App store, including third-party apps. This, people are interested in. Both cases use the same terminology, but I believe they are distinct in nature. "everything is an application and all applications should be treated equally" works for XWiki as a platform, but not for XE as a product (as an example : I don't think we would want to let people uninstall the admin application from with-in XE UI). Jerome.

Thanks -Vincent

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Jerome.

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http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/... don't like that the fields don't span the full horizontal space

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available. It'll be very very bad looking on large screens and waste useful and expensive space for nothing. Look at the Copyright and Version fields for example, you can't see the full content when there's space available on the right.

...

Thanks -Vincent

...

Category:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

...

...

Section:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

...

...

The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#prof...

...

...

...

This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

...

...

Thanks, Caty

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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 17:23, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]> wrote:

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 17:26, Jerome Velociter <[email protected]>wrote:

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Great work, I like it a lot

+1 to have this in 2.5 if we can

Category Prototype: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AdministrationCateg... Section Prototype: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/AdministrationSecti...

They need to be cleaned.

@Thomas: from consistency reasons we have uppercase in Colibri.

I know but that does not make me like it more, maybe Colibri is wrong ;)

Thanks, Caty

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Jerome.

On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]

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wrote:

...

This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input.

Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration Category:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

Section:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#prof...

...

This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs:

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

...

Thanks, Caty _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

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Very nice ! (full CSS menu, cross-browser, no images besides the category icons). I'm also +1 for 100% length of the form fields. Raluca. On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 7:04 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <[email protected]> wrote:

I'm not a big fun of gradients and 3D effects (yep, I prefer http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/... ) but otherwise I like it. Well done!

Thanks, Marius

On 09/21/2010 01:46 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:

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This is a proposal for a new Administration UI having vertical tabs for grouping instead of the current select input.

Proposal: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration Category: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/... Section: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

The vertical tab could be also integrated into the User Profile: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Administration#prof...

This proposal is made using CSS3 rules. The degradation of the tabs: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Administration/...

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