[xwiki-devs] [Idea] Sponsoring issues
Hi devs, WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA? For example: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 When you click it redirects to http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke... You can check http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. WDYT? Thanks -Vincent
Looks interesting. But who get the money exactly ? Can contributors be assigned to issues or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA?
For example: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030
When you click it redirects to http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
You can check http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
Looks interesting.
But who get the money exactly ?
Anyone who implements what's asked. See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. -Vincent
Can contributors be assigned to issues or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ?
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA?
For example: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030
When you click it redirects to http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
You can check http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
Looks interesting.
But who get the money exactly ?
Anyone who implements what's asked.
+1 then
See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details.
-Vincent
Can contributors be assigned to issues or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ?
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA?
For example: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030
When you click it redirects to http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
You can check http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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-- Thomas Mortagne
This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we tried with Fundry. Thanks, Caty On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
Looks interesting.
But who get the money exactly ?
Anyone who implements what's asked.
+1 then
See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details.
-Vincent
Can contributors be assigned to issues or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ?
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA?
For example: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030
When you click it redirects to http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
You can check http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we tried with Fundry.
Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think the link from the jira issue can make a difference. Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
Looks interesting.
But who get the money exactly ?
Anyone who implements what's asked.
+1 then
See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details.
-Vincent
Can contributors be assigned to issues or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ?
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA?
For example: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030
When you click it redirects to http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
You can check http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Hi, Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that everything is contextualized. However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :) Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out. Thanks, Eduard On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]> wrote:
This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we tried with Fundry.
Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think the link from the jira issue can make a difference.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]>
wrote:
Looks interesting.
But who get the money exactly ?
Anyone who implements what's asked.
+1 then
See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details.
-Vincent
Can contributors be assigned to issues or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ?
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hi devs,
WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA?
For example: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030
When you click it redirects to
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
You can check http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes.
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start working on it" ? At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky Ludovic 2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>
Hi,
Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that everything is contextualized.
However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :)
Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out.
Thanks, Eduard
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]
wrote:
This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we tried with Fundry.
Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think the link from the jira issue can make a difference.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
wrote:
Looks interesting.
But who get the money exactly ?
Anyone who implements what's asked.
+1 then
See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details.
-Vincent
Can contributors be assigned to issues or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ?
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hi devs, > > WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA? > > For example: > https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 > > When you click it redirects to >
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
> > You can check > http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ > > It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. > > WDYT? > > Thanks > -Vincent
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From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it can be abused.
"Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the developer - otherwise they can just walk away. *This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy. The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their problem is actually solved." Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for something that was not quite what he wanted :) Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes. Thanks, Eduard ---------- [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start working on it" ? At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky
Ludovic
2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>
Hi,
Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that everything is contextualized.
However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :)
Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out.
Thanks, Eduard
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
wrote:
This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we tried with Fundry.
Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I
think
the link from the jira issue can make a difference.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne <
[email protected]> wrote:
> Looks interesting. > > But who get the money exactly ?
Anyone who implements what's asked.
+1 then
See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details.
-Vincent
> Can contributors be assigned to issues > or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going
to
> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> wrote: >> Hi devs, >> >> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA? >> >> For example: >> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 >> >> When you click it redirects to >>
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
>> >> You can check >> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ >> >> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. >> >> WDYT? >> >> Thanks >> -Vincent _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Hi devs, Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking for Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to the XWiki project. The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA plugin [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue. While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear that this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor particular issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no issues with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's the particular dev that gets the money. Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations issue, as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually donating to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good first step into accepting financial contributions from the community. As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as well, this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have sponsored issues. Thanks, Eduard ---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it can be abused.
"Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the developer - otherwise they can just walk away.
*This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy.
The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their problem is actually solved."
Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for something that was not quite what he wanted :)
Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start working on it" ? At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky
Ludovic
2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>
Hi,
Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that everything is contextualized.
However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :)
Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out.
Thanks, Eduard
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
wrote:
This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we
tried
with Fundry.
Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think the link from the jira issue can make a difference.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < [email protected]> wrote: > >> Looks interesting. >> >> But who get the money exactly ? > > Anyone who implements what's asked.
+1 then
> > See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. > > -Vincent > >> Can contributors be assigned to issues >> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to >> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? >> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi devs, >>> >>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA? >>> >>> For example: >>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 >>> >>> When you click it redirects to >>>
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
>>> >>> You can check >>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ >>> >>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. >>> >>> WDYT? >>> >>> Thanks >>> -Vincent > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Sounds good to me. I’m +1 to try it out. We would need to also add this as a way to contribute to the project in http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing Thanks -Vincent On 11 Aug 2014 at 16:49:02, Eduard Moraru ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
Hi devs,
Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking for Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to the XWiki project.
The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA plugin [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue.
While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear that this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor particular issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no issues with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's the particular dev that gets the money.
Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations issue, as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually donating to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good first step into accepting financial contributions from the community.
As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as well, this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have sponsored issues.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it can be abused.
"Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the developer - otherwise they can just walk away.
*This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy.
The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their problem is actually solved."
Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for something that was not quite what he wanted :)
Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost wrote:
Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start working on it" ? At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky
Ludovic
2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru
Hi,
Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that everything is contextualized.
However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :)
Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out.
Thanks, Eduard
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
wrote:
This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we
tried
with Fundry.
Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think the link from the jira issue can make a difference.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne wrote: > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol > >> >
wrote:
>> >> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Looks interesting. >>> >>> But who get the money exactly ? >> >> Anyone who implements what's asked. > > +1 then > >> >> See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. >> >> -Vincent >> >>> Can contributors be assigned to issues >>> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to >>> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi devs, >>>> >>>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA? >>>> >>>> For example: >>>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 >>>> >>>> When you click it redirects to >>>>
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
>>>> >>>> You can check >>>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ >>>> >>>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. >>>> >>>> WDYT? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent
+1 to try it out. Thanks, Marius On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking for Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to the XWiki project.
The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA plugin [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue.
While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear that this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor particular issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no issues with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's the particular dev that gets the money.
Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations issue, as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually donating to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good first step into accepting financial contributions from the community.
As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as well, this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have sponsored issues.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it can be abused.
"Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the developer - otherwise they can just walk away.
*This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy.
The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their problem is actually solved."
Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for something that was not quite what he wanted :)
Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start working on it" ? At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky
Ludovic
2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>
Hi,
Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that everything is contextualized.
However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :)
Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out.
Thanks, Eduard
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
wrote:
This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we
tried
with Fundry.
Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think the link from the jira issue can make a difference.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]
wrote:
>> >> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Looks interesting. >>> >>> But who get the money exactly ? >> >> Anyone who implements what's asked. > > +1 then > >> >> See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. >> >> -Vincent >> >>> Can contributors be assigned to issues >>> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to >>> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi devs, >>>> >>>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA? >>>> >>>> For example: >>>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 >>>> >>>> When you click it redirects to >>>>
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
>>>> >>>> You can check >>>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ >>>> >>>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. >>>> >>>> WDYT? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> -Vincent >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Ludovic Dubost Founder and CEO Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Hi, Thanks to Vincent, we have installed the Jira plugin and we should be good to go. Issues on jira.xiwki.org now have a "Sponsor This!" section and a link to start sponsoring that issue. The only downside is that instead of having 1 XWiki project for all issues, we have 1 project for each Jira project on jira.xwiki.org. This means that, as issue will be sponsores/promoted, we`ll start seeing XWiki Platform [1], XWiki Enterprise, XWiki Commons, etc... as different projects on the FreedomSponsors.org website. Also, every contrib project will have their own FreedomSponsors.org project, just like they do on jira.xwiki.org (e.g. Poll Application [2] for which we proposed an issue as a test). However, if you want to look for all xwiki related issues on FreedomSponsors.org, you can use the search feature (look for "xwiki") [3] and it will work (match) because all projects (including contrib ones) have the same issue tracker URL base (jira.xwiki.org) and official site ( xwiki.org). I have also updated the Contributing [4] page and listed the sponsoring of issues as an option there, under the Testing section. Let's see how this goes and don`t hesitate to try an promote this wherever possible ;) Thanks, Eduard ---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/276/ [2] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/277/ [3] https://freedomsponsors.org/search/?s=xwiki [4] http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HTesting On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
+1 to try it out.
Thanks, Marius
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking for Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to the XWiki project.
The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA plugin [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue.
While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear that this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor particular issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no issues with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's the particular dev that gets the money.
Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations issue, as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually donating to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good first step into accepting financial contributions from the community.
As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as well, this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have sponsored issues.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it can be abused.
"Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the developer - otherwise they can just walk away.
*This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy.
The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their problem is actually solved."
Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for something that was not quite what he wanted :)
Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start working on it" ? At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky
Ludovic
2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>
Hi,
Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that everything is contextualized.
However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :)
Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out.
Thanks, Eduard
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
wrote:
> This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we
tried
> with Fundry.
Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think the link from the jira issue can make a difference.
Thanks -Vincent
> > Thanks, > Caty > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
wrote: >>> >>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Looks interesting. >>>> >>>> But who get the money exactly ? >>> >>> Anyone who implements what's asked. >> >> +1 then >> >>> >>> See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. >>> >>> -Vincent >>> >>>> Can contributors be assigned to issues >>>> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to >>>> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? >>>> >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Hi devs, >>>>> >>>>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA? >>>>> >>>>> For example: >>>>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 >>>>> >>>>> When you click it redirects to >>>>>
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
>>>>> >>>>> You can check >>>>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ >>>>> >>>>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. >>>>> >>>>> WDYT? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> -Vincent >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> >> >> >> -- >> Thomas Mortagne >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Ludovic Dubost Founder and CEO Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Updated again the Contributing page for better visibility: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HSponsoringissues Thanks, Eduard On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks to Vincent, we have installed the Jira plugin and we should be good to go.
Issues on jira.xiwki.org now have a "Sponsor This!" section and a link to start sponsoring that issue.
The only downside is that instead of having 1 XWiki project for all issues, we have 1 project for each Jira project on jira.xwiki.org. This means that, as issue will be sponsores/promoted, we`ll start seeing XWiki Platform [1], XWiki Enterprise, XWiki Commons, etc... as different projects on the FreedomSponsors.org website. Also, every contrib project will have their own FreedomSponsors.org project, just like they do on jira.xwiki.org (e.g. Poll Application [2] for which we proposed an issue as a test). However, if you want to look for all xwiki related issues on FreedomSponsors.org, you can use the search feature (look for "xwiki") [3] and it will work (match) because all projects (including contrib ones) have the same issue tracker URL base (jira.xwiki.org) and official site ( xwiki.org).
I have also updated the Contributing [4] page and listed the sponsoring of issues as an option there, under the Testing section.
Let's see how this goes and don`t hesitate to try an promote this wherever possible ;)
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/276/ [2] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/277/ [3] https://freedomsponsors.org/search/?s=xwiki [4] http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HTesting
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
+1 to try it out.
Thanks, Marius
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking for Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to the XWiki project.
The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA plugin [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue.
While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear that this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor particular issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no issues with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's the particular dev that gets the money.
Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations issue, as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually donating to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good first step into accepting financial contributions from the community.
As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as well, this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have sponsored issues.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it can be abused.
"Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the developer - otherwise they can just walk away.
*This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy.
The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their problem is actually solved."
Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for something that was not quite what he wanted :)
Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start working on it" ? At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky
Ludovic
2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>
Hi,
Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that everything is contextualized.
However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :)
Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out.
Thanks, Eduard
On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected] > > wrote: > > > This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we tried > > with Fundry. > > Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think > the link from the jira issue can make a difference. > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > > > Thanks, > > Caty > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]
> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < [email protected]> > wrote: > >>> > >>>> Looks interesting. > >>>> > >>>> But who get the money exactly ? > >>> > >>> Anyone who implements what's asked. > >> > >> +1 then > >> > >>> > >>> See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. > >>> > >>> -Vincent > >>> > >>>> Can contributors be assigned to issues > >>>> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to > >>>> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> > wrote: > >>>>> Hi devs, > >>>>> > >>>>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this > issue" button on JIRA? > >>>>> > >>>>> For example: > >>>>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 > >>>>> > >>>>> When you click it redirects to > >>>>> >
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
> >>>>> > >>>>> You can check > >>>>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ > >>>>> > >>>>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. > >>>>> > >>>>> WDYT? > >>>>> > >>>>> Thanks > >>>>> -Vincent > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> devs mailing list > >>> [email protected] > >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Thomas Mortagne > >> _______________________________________________ > >> devs mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Ludovic Dubost Founder and CEO Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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For the record, a research about crowdfunding sites at https://snowdrift.coop/p/snowdrift/w/en/othercrowdfunding done by the Snowdrift.coop people (we went to their presentation at FOSDEM2016) Thanks, Caty On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Updated again the Contributing page for better visibility:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HSponsoringissues
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
Thanks to Vincent, we have installed the Jira plugin and we should be good to go.
Issues on jira.xiwki.org now have a "Sponsor This!" section and a link to start sponsoring that issue.
The only downside is that instead of having 1 XWiki project for all issues, we have 1 project for each Jira project on jira.xwiki.org. This means that, as issue will be sponsores/promoted, we`ll start seeing XWiki Platform [1], XWiki Enterprise, XWiki Commons, etc... as different projects on the FreedomSponsors.org website. Also, every contrib project will have their own FreedomSponsors.org project, just like they do on jira.xwiki.org (e.g. Poll Application [2] for which we proposed an issue as a test). However, if you want to look for all xwiki related issues on FreedomSponsors.org, you can use the search feature (look for "xwiki") [3] and it will work (match) because all projects (including contrib ones) have the same issue tracker URL base (jira.xwiki.org) and official site ( xwiki.org).
I have also updated the Contributing [4] page and listed the sponsoring of issues as an option there, under the Testing section.
Let's see how this goes and don`t hesitate to try an promote this wherever possible ;)
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/276/ [2] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/277/ [3] https://freedomsponsors.org/search/?s=xwiki [4] http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HTesting
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
+1 to try it out.
Thanks, Marius
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking for Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to the XWiki project.
The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA plugin [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue.
While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear that this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor particular issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no issues with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's the particular dev that gets the money.
Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations issue, as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually donating to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good first step into accepting financial contributions from the community.
As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as well, this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have sponsored issues.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it can be abused.
"Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the developer - otherwise they can just walk away.
*This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy.
The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their problem is actually solved."
Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for something that was not quite what he wanted :)
Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start working on it" ? At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky
Ludovic
2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>
> Hi, > > Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that > everything is contextualized. > > However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, since, > AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they want > fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the > work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs will > be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :) > > Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out. > > Thanks, > Eduard > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we tried > > > with Fundry. > > > > Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I think > > the link from the jira issue can make a difference. > > > > Thanks > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected] > > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > [email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Looks interesting. > > >>>> > > >>>> But who get the money exactly ? > > >>> > > >>> Anyone who implements what's asked. > > >> > > >> +1 then > > >> > > >>> > > >>> See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. > > >>> > > >>> -Vincent > > >>> > > >>>> Can contributors be assigned to issues > > >>>> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not going to > > >>>> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? > > >>>> > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> > > wrote: > > >>>>> Hi devs, > > >>>>> > > >>>>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this > > issue" button on JIRA? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> For example: > > >>>>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 > > >>>>> > > >>>>> When you click it redirects to > > >>>>> > > >
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
> > >>>>> > > >>>>> You can check > > >>>>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ > > >>>>> > > >>>>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> WDYT? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Thanks > > >>>>> -Vincent > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> devs mailing list > > >>> [email protected] > > >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Thomas Mortagne > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> devs mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > > > devs mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > > _______________________________________________ > > devs mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > > > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >
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On 2 Feb 2016 at 17:18:06, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
For the record, a research about crowdfunding sites at https://snowdrift.coop/p/snowdrift/w/en/othercrowdfunding done by the Snowdrift.coop people (we went to their presentation at FOSDEM2016)
What’s the conclusion for us? :) Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Caty
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
Updated again the Contributing page for better visibility:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HSponsoringissues
Thanks, Eduard
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 6:46 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
Hi,
Thanks to Vincent, we have installed the Jira plugin and we should be good to go.
Issues on jira.xiwki.org now have a "Sponsor This!" section and a link to start sponsoring that issue.
The only downside is that instead of having 1 XWiki project for all issues, we have 1 project for each Jira project on jira.xwiki.org. This means that, as issue will be sponsores/promoted, we`ll start seeing XWiki Platform [1], XWiki Enterprise, XWiki Commons, etc... as different projects on the FreedomSponsors.org website. Also, every contrib project will have their own FreedomSponsors.org project, just like they do on jira.xwiki.org (e.g. Poll Application [2] for which we proposed an issue as a test). However, if you want to look for all xwiki related issues on FreedomSponsors.org, you can use the search feature (look for "xwiki") [3] and it will work (match) because all projects (including contrib ones) have the same issue tracker URL base (jira.xwiki.org) and official site ( xwiki.org).
I have also updated the Contributing [4] page and listed the sponsoring of issues as an option there, under the Testing section.
Let's see how this goes and don`t hesitate to try an promote this wherever possible ;)
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/276/ [2] https://freedomsponsors.org/project/277/ [3] https://freedomsponsors.org/search/?s=xwiki [4] http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/Contributing#HTesting
On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
+1 to try it out.
Thanks, Marius
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
Hi devs,
Reviving this thread since I`ve stumbled upon this again while looking for Fundry alternatives after a user asked on IRC for ways to donate to the XWiki project.
The stats [1] on this website look promising and, since the vote was positive on this matter, I suggest we go ahead and install the JIRA plugin [2] that adds the link to sponsor an issue.
While going again through the website`s documentation, it`s very clear that this is not a way to sponsor the project, but only to sponsor particular issues and the developer that implements them. This way we have no issues with the lack of an XWiki foundation for receiving money, since it's the particular dev that gets the money.
Also, this is not a complete solution to the sponsorship/donations issue, as other solutions can be implemented along side it (e.g. actually donating to the project, maybe through a foundation), but it is IMO a good first step into accepting financial contributions from the community.
As an added bonus, since contrib projects can use XWiki's jira as well, this means that contrib projects can also benefit from this and have sponsored issues.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] https://freedomsponsors.org/stats/ [2] https://github.com/freedomsponsors/freedomsponsors-jira-plugin
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
From Vincent's link[1], I see that this is intended, as it is actually the system's philosophy which is OK in theory, but it is also obvious that it can be abused.
"Once the issue is officially solved the sponsors can verify whether their problem is really gone (according to the established criteria) and pay the developer - otherwise they can just walk away.
*This is very important*: there is nothing on the system forcing anybody to pay anything. There are no escrows and no pre-paid credits whatsoever. This is not an implementation detail – it’s by philosophy.
The whole thing is *voluntary* to begin with. We want sponsors to pay the developers because they feel grateful for their work, tipically after their problem is actually solved."
Of course, if they did try to handle this issue technically, it would have been pretty complex to decide when the task was complete according to the sponsor's intention and established criteria. I guess they preferred to have a (hypothetical) frustrated dev that was expecting a payoff for an issue rather than having a (hypothetical) frustrated sponsor that payed for something that was not quite what he wanted :)
Anyway, I still think it would not hurt to try it and see how it goes.
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/
On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Ludovic Dubost wrote:
> Isn't there a control mecanism once the person ready to fix it says "start > working on it" ? > At that point if the site does not block the money then it's risky > > Ludovic > > > 2013/3/5 Eduard Moraru > > > Hi, > > > > Yes, I really like the fact that it's integrated with jira and that > > everything is contextualized. > > > > However, I am a bit reserved about the success it is going to have, > since, > > AFAIU, there is nothing stopping people from spam-funding issues they > want > > fixed, but in the end decide that they are not going to fund any of the > > work that has been done. Hope that will not be the case and that devs > will > > be aware of this possibility and will primarily do it for the fun :) > > > > Anyway, I like the idea and I`m definitely +1 for trying it out. > > > > Thanks, > > Eduard > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > > On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:20 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > This seams very similar to Sergiu's ideas some time ago when we > tried > > > > with Fundry. > > > > > > Indeed, the idea is the same but the implementation different and I > think > > > the link from the jira issue can make a difference. > > > > > > Thanks > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Thomas Mortagne > > > > wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Vincent Massol < [email protected] > > > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mar 5, 2013, at 5:03 PM, Thomas Mortagne < > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Looks interesting. > > > >>>> > > > >>>> But who get the money exactly ? > > > >>> > > > >>> Anyone who implements what's asked. > > > >> > > > >> +1 then > > > >> > > > >>> > > > >>> See http://blog.freedomsponsors.org/about/ for details. > > > >>> > > > >>> -Vincent > > > >>> > > > >>>> Can contributors be assigned to issues > > > >>>> or is it only for the project itself (in that case it's not > going to > > > >>>> be very simple since we don't have any entity yet) ? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Vincent Massol < > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>> Hi devs, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this > > > issue" button on JIRA? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> For example: > > > >>>>> https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030 > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> When you click it redirects to > > > >>>>> > > > > > >
http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
> > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> You can check > > > >>>>> http://www.freedomsponsors.org/ > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> WDYT? > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thanks > > > >>>>> -Vincent
On 03/05/2013 10:56 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
WDYT of doing like Jenkins is doing and adding a "Sponsor this issue" button on JIRA?
For example: https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-9030
When you click it redirects to http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/login/?next=/core/issue/sponsor%3Ftracke...
You can check http://www.freedomsponsors.org/
It could be interesting to try it and see how it goes.
WDYT?
I hope it won't go the way Fundry went. It's still quite new, but it seems to be working. +1 for trying it out. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu
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