Re: [xwiki-devs] [xwiki-users] Lots of disabled Yahoo email addresses on the xwiki.org lists
Hello, It is strange because my emails have a DKIM signature like here (piece of header from a mail I sent from my xwiki email to myself at another adress). Is it sympa who's altering this signature? Can I fix it (if it is "my fault")? Thxs Pascal ---------------------------------- Received: from nm43-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm43-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.220]) xxx DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s2048; t=1478593132; bh=g3zLYH4xKxcPrHOD18z9YfpQcnk/GaJedfustWU5uGs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=N6C8UltuP6jp4mZaWG43Y1ngel4R75RdftqTuXxYHngnseuGe5/2k2/H5pwVcJVe34gjtB33vMZm1j4yZ56M8++zNl4Asb4xV/6wwF+JL+ZGlcXTmfJdGlx5+GdukOzN6bX9Dz9Lvp5GpsYHZnWE8eANw0SeJ9t9wcvzKmNOYW+t9S53N27nfRfjYAwm7iZVmUsgbbZlpnW3NYrPOLoBGZX67aq6gsq877LKUyLLgLP5oszQnx3cUZAsgmjRuSYIIzjF42vfzjVjs7rOoO7royNl5O8BeFlgpevF/BDk2g2K7KXRTkkKtmDMxxxx -------------------------------------------- En date de : Lun 7.11.16, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> a écrit : Objet: Re: [xwiki-users] Lots of disabled Yahoo email addresses on the xwiki.org lists À: "XWiki Users" <[email protected]>, "XWiki Developers" <[email protected]> Date: Lundi 7 novembre 2016, 15h40 By the way, all of Pascal's and Julio's emails (and other yahoo users) end up in my spam folder because of the broken DKIM signatures. On 11/07/2016 09:24 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
This is partially XWiki's infrastructure fault, too.
DMARC doesn't work well with mailing lists, since they tend to break DKIM signatures. The only way to fix the problem (at least for the majority of emails) is to remove the footer from the configuration.
So, options:
- remove the footer, which means that "incompetent" users will have a hard time finding information about unsubscribing, but allows users from
modern email providers to subscribe
- keep the footer, which makes it harder for legitimate users to stay subscribed
It's not your fault, it's XWiki's Mailman's fault. The signature verifies that your original email is valid. But Mailman appends the following to the bottom of the mails: devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs By adding this, the signature now fails. Since yahoo now says that mails without a valid signature aren't trusted, your email becomes untrusted. I see now that your mail doesn't have this signature anymore (hurray XWiki infra!), and is now considered valid: Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass [email protected]; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.fr On 11/08/2016 03:40 AM, Pascal BASTIEN wrote:
Hello, It is strange because my emails have a DKIM signature like here (piece of header from a mail I sent from my xwiki email to myself at another adress). Is it sympa who's altering this signature? Can I fix it (if it is "my fault")? Thxs
Pascal ---------------------------------- Received: from nm43-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm43-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.220]) xxx DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s2048; t=1478593132; bh=g3zLYH4xKxcPrHOD18z9YfpQcnk/GaJedfustWU5uGs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=N6C8UltuP6jp4mZaWG43Y1ngel4R75RdftqTuXxYHngnseuGe5/2k2/H5pwVcJVe34gjtB33vMZm1j4yZ56M8++zNl4Asb4xV/6wwF+JL+ZGlcXTmfJdGlx5+GdukOzN6bX9Dz9Lvp5GpsYHZnWE8eANw0SeJ9t9wcvzKmNOYW+t9S53N27nfRfjYAwm7iZVmUsgbbZlpnW3NYrPOLoBGZX67aq6gsq877LKUyLLgLP5oszQnx3cUZAsgmjRuSYIIzjF42vfzjVjs7rOoO7royNl5O8BeFlgpevF/BDk2g2K7KXRTkkKtmDMxxxx
-------------------------------------------- En date de : Lun 7.11.16, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> a écrit :
Objet: Re: [xwiki-users] Lots of disabled Yahoo email addresses on the xwiki.org lists À: "XWiki Users" <[email protected]>, "XWiki Developers" <[email protected]> Date: Lundi 7 novembre 2016, 15h40
By the way, all of Pascal's and Julio's emails (and other yahoo users) end up in my spam folder because of the broken DKIM signatures.
On 11/07/2016 09:24 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
This is partially XWiki's infrastructure fault, too.
DMARC doesn't work well with mailing lists, since they tend to break DKIM signatures. The only way to fix the problem (at least for the majority of emails) is to remove the footer from the configuration.
So, options:
- remove the footer, which means that "incompetent" users will have a hard time finding information about unsubscribing, but allows users from
modern email providers to subscribe
- keep the footer, which makes it harder for legitimate users to stay subscribed
-- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu
Or actually it's because you sent the mail directly to me, and I see a copy that hasn't been through mailman. Everybody else got it in the Spam folder, with the broken signature. On 11/08/2016 09:50 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
It's not your fault, it's XWiki's Mailman's fault.
The signature verifies that your original email is valid.
But Mailman appends the following to the bottom of the mails:
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
By adding this, the signature now fails. Since yahoo now says that mails without a valid signature aren't trusted, your email becomes untrusted.
I see now that your mail doesn't have this signature anymore (hurray XWiki infra!), and is now considered valid:
Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass [email protected]; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=yahoo.fr
On 11/08/2016 03:40 AM, Pascal BASTIEN wrote:
Hello, It is strange because my emails have a DKIM signature like here (piece of header from a mail I sent from my xwiki email to myself at another adress). Is it sympa who's altering this signature? Can I fix it (if it is "my fault")? Thxs
Pascal ---------------------------------- Received: from nm43-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm43-vm5.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.87.220]) xxx DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.fr; s=s2048; t=1478593132; bh=g3zLYH4xKxcPrHOD18z9YfpQcnk/GaJedfustWU5uGs=; h=Date:From:Reply-To:To:Subject:References:From:Subject; b=N6C8UltuP6jp4mZaWG43Y1ngel4R75RdftqTuXxYHngnseuGe5/2k2/H5pwVcJVe34gjtB33vMZm1j4yZ56M8++zNl4Asb4xV/6wwF+JL+ZGlcXTmfJdGlx5+GdukOzN6bX9Dz9Lvp5GpsYHZnWE8eANw0SeJ9t9wcvzKmNOYW+t9S53N27nfRfjYAwm7iZVmUsgbbZlpnW3NYrPOLoBGZX67aq6gsq877LKUyLLgLP5oszQnx3cUZAsgmjRuSYIIzjF42vfzjVjs7rOoO7royNl5O8BeFlgpevF/BDk2g2K7KXRTkkKtmDMxxxx
-------------------------------------------- En date de : Lun 7.11.16, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> a écrit :
Objet: Re: [xwiki-users] Lots of disabled Yahoo email addresses on the xwiki.org lists À: "XWiki Users" <[email protected]>, "XWiki Developers" <[email protected]> Date: Lundi 7 novembre 2016, 15h40
By the way, all of Pascal's and Julio's emails (and other yahoo users) end up in my spam folder because of the broken DKIM signatures.
On 11/07/2016 09:24 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
This is partially XWiki's infrastructure fault, too.
DMARC doesn't work well with mailing lists, since they tend to break DKIM signatures. The only way to fix the problem (at least for the majority of emails) is to remove the footer from the configuration.
So, options:
- remove the footer, which means that "incompetent" users will have a hard time finding information about unsubscribing, but allows users from
modern email providers to subscribe
- keep the footer, which makes it harder for legitimate users to stay subscribed
-- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu
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