[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Weekly Bug Fixing Days?
Hi devs, We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users… Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created). At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes. If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)? WDYT? Thanks -Vincent PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay...
+1 On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 3:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay... _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Thomas Mortagne
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to happen on the 7th? To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work on bugs, not on roadmap features.
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay...
-- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to happen on the 7th?
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st WDYT? Thanks -Vincent
To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work on bugs, not on roadmap features.
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay...
On 02/03/2013 05:56 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to happen on the 7th?
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
+0. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 1:05 PM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02/03/2013 05:56 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to happen on the 7th?
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
+0.
Same, +0. Thanks, Marius
-- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to happen on the 7th?
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
WDYT?
Maybe replace it with something else, like fixing deprecated calls.
Thanks -Vincent
To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work on bugs, not on roadmap features.
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay...
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Thomas Mortagne
On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to happen on the 7th?
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
WDYT?
Maybe replace it with something else, like fixing deprecated calls.
1) I think this is a bit dangerous to do in RC so close to the final 4.5 release, it's relatively easy to introduce a regression by fixing deprecation calls. 2) The idea is that all our energy is focused on finishing 4.5 and releasing it ASAP That said, I'm fine with whatever the majority wants. BTW on the same idea, I think we need to organize a PullRequest Day after we start 5.0 to reduce the # of open PR/patches and favor contributions. Thanks -Vincent
Thanks -Vincent
To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work on bugs, not on roadmap features.
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay...
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 12:45 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 12:11 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to happen on the 7th?
Good question. Since we still haven't released XWiki 4.5 final, I think we should drop it and replace it with the weekly BFD starting 21st
WDYT?
Maybe replace it with something else, like fixing deprecated calls.
1) I think this is a bit dangerous to do in RC so close to the final 4.5 release, it's relatively easy to introduce a regression by fixing deprecation calls. 2) The idea is that all our energy is focused on finishing 4.5 and releasing it ASAP
I was not talking about the 7th actually (missread the message it seems), I was taking about monthly BFD en general during the 5.x.
That said, I'm fine with whatever the majority wants.
BTW on the same idea, I think we need to organize a PullRequest Day after we start 5.0 to reduce the # of open PR/patches and favor contributions.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks -Vincent
To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work on bugs, not on roadmap features.
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay...
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Thomas Mortagne
On Feb 3, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
On 02/02/2013 09:55 AM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Sounds good. What happens with the monthly BFD that was supposed to happen on the 7th?
To reduce the burnout, we should see each BFD not as a hard push to close as many bugs as possible, but as a day when devs are free to work on bugs, not on roadmap features.
I completely agree. Here's how I view it: * Goal: reduce the open bug count from http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/Dashboard.jspa#Created-vs-Resolved-Chart/10470 as much as possible. * Consequence: the goal is to take the lowest hanging fruits. * This is an occasion to close easy bugs that we wouldn't look at otherwise * It also serves as cleaning up our JIRA * Devs are free to chose by themselves the bugs they work on * It is *not* a day to implement important bugs listed in the roadmap, although devs can take some from there if they wish * It's only about bugs, not other type of issues Thanks -Vincent
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay...
+1 Thanks, Marius On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay... _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
+1 Thanks, Caty On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay... _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
+1 Thanks, Eduard On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]
wrote:
+1
Thanks, Caty
On Sat, Feb 2, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
We've closing the 4.x cycle and here's the result of bugs fixed vs bugs created during the past 360 days: http://snag.gy/MZxh7.jpg
As you can see: * More issues were created than fixed: 919 created vs 844 fixed * During the whole time, the red has been winning
What this means is that overall we're loosing the quality war. Of course bugs are not evenly distributed and it may happen that created bugs are peripheral but they're still bugs and since they've been reported they have affected users…
Thus I propose that for the 5.x cycle we take some drastic action and do a Bug Fixing Day every week in en effort to have green be the default (ie more bugs fixed than created).
At least it would be great if we could try it for a while and see how it goes.
If you agree, what about doing that every Thursday, starting with the 21st of February(since 11th is the final 4.5 release)?
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
PS: To see past BFD events, see:
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/DevelopmentPractices#HXWikiDay...
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
participants (6)
-
Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) -
Eduard Moraru -
Marius Dumitru Florea -
Sergiu Dumitriu -
Thomas Mortagne -
Vincent Massol