[xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Page Identifier or Page Name?
Hi, With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use. Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better. One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments. Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along). Here's my +1 for "identifier". WDYT? Thanks, Eduard ---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2] http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle...
Hi, We already had confusions between page name and page titles, and the new Create Page UI, generates the page name from the page title, and promotes title. So identifiers will be used by advanced users that will want to change the it. We are using in Create Wiki UI, the concept 'identifier', but I guess in this use case, the uniqueness is true. I don't have other ideas on how to better name it. I'm +1 for 'identifier'. To better understand what we are talking about, here is a screenshot http://jira.xwiki.org/secure/attachment/31386/createActionUI-editLocation-ne... Thanks, Caty On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 6:32 PM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use.
Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better.
One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments.
Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along).
Here's my +1 for "identifier".
WDYT?
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle... _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means introducing a new vocabulary and means - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name" That’s a *huge* work... ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we already have a lot to do with NS/ND. Thanks -Vincent Hi, With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use. Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better. One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments. Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along). Here's my +1 for "identifier". WDYT? Thanks, Eduard ---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2] http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle... _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Same as Vincent for now. On Tue, Aug 25, 2015 at 5:53 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means introducing a new vocabulary and means - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name"
That’s a *huge* work...
ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we already have a lot to do with NS/ND.
Thanks -Vincent
Hi,
With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use.
Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better.
One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments.
Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along).
Here's my +1 for "identifier".
WDYT?
Thanks, Eduard
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-- Thomas Mortagne
Agree with Vincent, and I'm actually -1 for changing it to "identifier". Internally, a document already has an identifier, the generated hash. On 08/25/2015 11:53 AM, [email protected] wrote:
You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means introducing a new vocabulary and means - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name"
That’s a *huge* work...
ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we already have a lot to do with NS/ND.
Thanks -Vincent
Hi,
With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use.
Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better.
One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments.
Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along).
Here's my +1 for "identifier".
WDYT?
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2] http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle... _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Hello, Here's my +0. I agree with both parties. But I agree more with the fact that avoiding the confusion between the page title and page name will be helpful IMO. Thanks, Gabriela *Gabriela Smeria* *Web Developer* [email protected] skype: smeria.gabriela On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
Agree with Vincent, and I'm actually -1 for changing it to "identifier". Internally, a document already has an identifier, the generated hash.
On 08/25/2015 11:53 AM, [email protected] wrote:
You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means introducing a new vocabulary and means - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name"
That’s a *huge* work...
ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we already have a lot to do with NS/ND.
Thanks -Vincent
Hi,
With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use.
Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better.
One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments.
Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along).
Here's my +1 for "identifier".
WDYT?
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle...
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I indeed forgot about XWikiDocument#getId which move my vote to -1. On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
Agree with Vincent, and I'm actually -1 for changing it to "identifier". Internally, a document already has an identifier, the generated hash.
On 08/25/2015 11:53 AM, [email protected] wrote:
You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means introducing a new vocabulary and means - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name"
That’s a *huge* work...
ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we already have a lot to do with NS/ND.
Thanks -Vincent
Hi,
With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use.
Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better.
One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments.
Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along).
Here's my +1 for "identifier".
WDYT?
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2] http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle... _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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-- Thomas Mortagne
We have 2.5 -1s for switching to "Identifier" so the conclusion is that we`ll continue using "Page Name". Thanks for the votes and the arguments! -Eduard On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]
wrote:
I indeed forgot about XWikiDocument#getId which move my vote to -1.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
Agree with Vincent, and I'm actually -1 for changing it to "identifier". Internally, a document already has an identifier, the generated hash.
On 08/25/2015 11:53 AM, [email protected] wrote:
You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means introducing a new vocabulary and means - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name"
That’s a *huge* work...
ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we already have a lot to do with NS/ND.
Thanks -Vincent
Hi,
With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use.
Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better.
One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments.
Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along).
Here's my +1 for "identifier".
WDYT?
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle...
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I'm not entirely against changing it to something else, but I can't find anything less restrictive/technical than "identifier" but more technical than "name". Does anybody have any suggestions? Another alternative is to add hints in the form, explaining in more detail what is a title and what is a name. On 08/26/2015 06:54 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
We have 2.5 -1s for switching to "Identifier" so the conclusion is that we`ll continue using "Page Name".
Thanks for the votes and the arguments!
-Eduard
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]
wrote:
I indeed forgot about XWikiDocument#getId which move my vote to -1.
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu <[email protected]> wrote:
Agree with Vincent, and I'm actually -1 for changing it to "identifier". Internally, a document already has an identifier, the generated hash.
On 08/25/2015 11:53 AM, [email protected] wrote:
You do realize that changing “page name” to “identifier” means introducing a new vocabulary and means - changing lots of wiki pages on xwiki.org, - changing APIs that will no longer be consistent, such as pageName in the REST model, getPageName() in create.js, etc - changing all places in the UI where we use “page name"
That’s a *huge* work...
ATM I’m -0 and very close to -1 to change the vocabulary since we already have a lot to do with NS/ND.
Thanks -Vincent
Hi,
With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page Title" and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use.
Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better.
One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments.
Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along).
Here's my +1 for "identifier".
WDYT?
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle...
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I prefer name over identifier. Name is not perfect, but I don't have a better option. Thanks, Marius On Aug 25, 2015 18:33, "Eduard Moraru" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
With the latest changes to the create UI [1] we`ve changed (mostly following the agreed-ish proposal [2]) the old "Page Name" label in the create UI to "Identifier" because we believed that having both "Page
Title"
and "Page Name" on the same page would confuse users and they would not know which one to use.
Now, I`d like your quick vote on which one to stick with, since some might consider that "Page Name" is better.
One argument for page name (i.e. against "identifier") is that an "identifier" is usually globally unique and in our case this is only true within the same parent. Also, copying a document to a new location and preserving its "identifier" can feel a bit odd to some, since they would expect the need for a new "identifier". Feel free to express your other arguments.
Another argument for identifier besides the one already mentioned is that it also better reflects its "technical" nature and should "discourage" users from working with it and they should be using the document's title instead of their needs (both in the create step and further along).
Here's my +1 for "identifier".
WDYT?
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XWIKI-12231 [2]
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/NestedCreate/createTitle...
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