Guillaume

On 16/11/2007, Vincent Massol < vincent@massol.net> wrote:

On Nov 16, 2007, at 6:03 PM, Paul Grodt wrote:

>> Hi,
>>
>> First: I am rather new to XWiki.
>>
>> I am checking XWiki's scripting capabilities. The possibility of
>> using
>> Groovy and Velocity directly within pages is a nice feature. But I
>> was
>> wondering if there was an easier way to integrate dynamic contents
> into
>> wiki pages. Groovy is easier than Java but you still need advanced
>> programming skills to use it. In my opinion staying at the Groovy
> level is
>> not user-friendly when you think that wikis are aimed for a broad
>> audience. Most advanced wikis (TWiki or Deki Wiki for example) give
> simple
>> scripting syntaxes thought for users with no programming skills.
>>
>> Is there anything like that foreseen for XWiki?
>>
>> The same applies to the form ant template system. It seems impossible
> for
>> a normal user to use them. I was surprised to find the how-tos for
> these
>> features in the developer guide, not the user guide.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> William
>
> Hi William.  I'm new to XWiki as well :)
>
> I'm no dev, but I would argue that even if velocity or groovy are a
> little awkward, it's better to learn a standardized scripting language
> than have to pick up a new proprietary scripting syntax for every wiki
> project (or any other application that stands to benefit from
> scripting)
> I use.  Such proprietary scripting languages are generally severely
> restricted.  It's not terribly difficult to do simple things under
> groovy or velocity, and it's often impossible to do complicated things
> under proprietary syntaxes.  So I'm personally satisfied with the
> current system.
>
> As far as what goes into which guide, the lines are a bit blurry.  The
> website uses "dev" in the sense of developing a customized 2nd
> generation wiki application/system.  This means creating your own
> forms
> and classes which you provide to users so they may add/edit content.
> Once a "user" starts editing/creating
> classes/templates/forms/macros/code snippets they graduate to the
> classification of "dev" for a particular XWiki project instance.  The
> website designates this "dev" classification as separate from the
> "community" space, which is provided for development of the XWiki
> project at the sourcecode level.

Spot on! :)

> (The fact that the sourcecode
> development mailing list is called devs@xwiki.org makes this nice and
> confusing if I do say so).

Never thought about this and the confusion it could create...

Maybe we should change:

* "User Guide" --> "Basic User Guide"
* "Dev Guide" --> "Advanced User Guide"

or

* "User Guide" --> "User Guide"
* "Dev Guide" --> "Advanced User Guide" / "Power User Guide"

Thanks
-Vincent

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