[xwiki-users] How to keep jetty running?
Hi, As I explained it in several messages, I'm trying to use XWiki on a remote server. We're accessing it with a ssh connection (using Putty). First, I tried to install the war manually and it seems that I succeed but we couldn't access to the XWiki page although Tomcat seems to work fine. I couldn't find anybody able to help me on this matter and I needed XWiki to be installed so I choose to install the standalone version. But there's a little problem. XWiki is working just fine but we have to start jetty with a command on our putty terminal and if we shut the window where the commad has been entered, we shut down jetty... so we can't access XWiki anymore if the window isn't open Is there a way to keep Jetty running without having to keep the terminal window open? That said, I must say that I've been surprised by the difficulty to install XWiki with both method (especially the first one). Even with a good tutorial about how to install xwiki manually on a Debian Etch 4.02 we still had a problem. And with the standalone version, although it works just fine, there still is this little problem with Jetty (But I hope somebody will be able to help with this). It's been difficult to find help all over the web. Don't you think all the problems that we can't get should be put in one place? It would avoid for someone trying to install xwiki to spend hours looking at N sites and N pages to find only one information. I hope I'll get to fix my problems and I'll be happy to share it afterwards for people facing the same issues. It would be really easier if all the installation problems like this (exception, etc...) were listed on a unique page leading to the right solution rather than having to look to multiples threads, forums, blogs and websites.... But that's just my opinion. I hope someone will be able to help me with Jetty. Thank you for your time and the help you'll give me. Regards, Jeremy Amode. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program.
Hi Jeremy, On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Hi,
As I explained it in several messages, I'm trying to use XWiki on a remote server. We're accessing it with a ssh connection (using Putty).
First, I tried to install the war manually and it seems that I succeed but we couldn't access to the XWiki page although Tomcat seems to work fine.
I couldn't find anybody able to help me on this matter and I needed XWiki to be installed so I choose to install the standalone version. But there's a little problem. XWiki is working just fine but we have to start jetty with a command on our putty terminal and if we shut the window where the commad has been entered, we shut down jetty... so we can't access XWiki anymore if the window isn't open
Is there a way to keep Jetty running without having to keep the terminal window open?
Sorry but I need to ask: how is all this related to xwiki? XWiki is just a web application, i.e. a WAR. You have to install it in your favorite Servlet container. Thus the question you have should be searched for in your favorite Servlet container's documentation. XWiki doesn't explain what Java is, what a database is nor does it explain what a Servlet container is or how it works. This is a given and a prerequisite. That said, we've recognized the need to make it as simple as possible to install XWiki and that's why we're also providing a bundled standalone zip which has everything already packaged and configured. But of course this bundle only provides a single configuration and is only for testing. What you really need to do (as is explained in the documentation) is to install it in your own Servlet container and your own database.
That said, I must say that I've been surprised by the difficulty to install XWiki with both method (especially the first one). Even with a good tutorial about how to install xwiki manually on a Debian Etch 4.02 we still had a problem. And with the standalone version, although it works just fine, there still is this little problem with Jetty (But I hope somebody will be able to help with this). It's been difficult to find help all over the web. Don't you think all the problems that we can't get should be put in one place? It would avoid for someone trying to install xwiki to spend hours looking at N sites and N pages to find only one information.
That"s a nice dream but it isn't feasible. We can't explain how an operating system works, how Java works, how Servlet container works, how a database work, how a mouse works, etc. We have to stop somewhere. Since Java has normalized what a web application is, this is where we stop. You can find thousands of online documentation and books on installing java webapps (.WAR files). That's really easy to find documentation.
I hope I'll get to fix my problems and I'll be happy to share it afterwards for people facing the same issues. It would be really easier if all the installation problems like this (exception, etc...) were listed on a unique page leading to the right solution rather than having to look to multiples threads, forums, blogs and websites....
But that's just my opinion.
Sure. We'll be happy to add whatever tutorial you write to the list we have started on the Installation page but we'll never be able to cover all user cases. The only solution is for users to understand what they are doing and understand what a servlet container is, how to configure it, etc.
I hope someone will be able to help me with Jetty.
Well that's really not hard. Just search google about running jetty as a service. The solution depen on your OS so I can't really answer. For windows, see http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JETTY/Win32Wrapper For unix just use the standard unix service for your OS (etc/init.d). Thanks -Vincent
Thank you for your time and the help you'll give me.
Regards,
Jeremy Amode.
Sorry to butt-in into this thread. Something that maybe someone from the community could do is to provide for some platform-combinations a specific installation routine (no, I don't know how to do that, but I do know that this is possible). So if you have a fresh Debian 4 Etch installation, you would maybe pick the installation package (Deb?), which installs xwiki with all the dependencies. I'm aware of the fact, that you have several combination possibilities (and the update/upgrade procedure). I'm just saying that's maybe something that could lower some barriers for the people and get more people to use XWiki. Anybody out there who knows how to create something I outlined and willing to pitch in? On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,
On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Hi,
As I explained it in several messages, I'm trying to use XWiki on a remote server. We're accessing it with a ssh connection (using Putty).
First, I tried to install the war manually and it seems that I succeed but we couldn't access to the XWiki page although Tomcat seems to work fine.
I couldn't find anybody able to help me on this matter and I needed XWiki to be installed so I choose to install the standalone version. But there's a little problem. XWiki is working just fine but we have to start jetty with a command on our putty terminal and if we shut the window where the commad has been entered, we shut down jetty... so we can't access XWiki anymore if the window isn't open
Is there a way to keep Jetty running without having to keep the terminal window open?
Sorry but I need to ask: how is all this related to xwiki? XWiki is just a web application, i.e. a WAR. You have to install it in your favorite Servlet container.
Thus the question you have should be searched for in your favorite Servlet container's documentation. XWiki doesn't explain what Java is, what a database is nor does it explain what a Servlet container is or how it works. This is a given and a prerequisite.
That said, we've recognized the need to make it as simple as possible to install XWiki and that's why we're also providing a bundled standalone zip which has everything already packaged and configured. But of course this bundle only provides a single configuration and is only for testing.
What you really need to do (as is explained in the documentation) is to install it in your own Servlet container and your own database.
That said, I must say that I've been surprised by the difficulty to install XWiki with both method (especially the first one). Even with a good tutorial about how to install xwiki manually on a Debian Etch 4.02 we still had a problem. And with the standalone version, although it works just fine, there still is this little problem with Jetty (But I hope somebody will be able to help with this). It's been difficult to find help all over the web. Don't you think all the problems that we can't get should be put in one place? It would avoid for someone trying to install xwiki to spend hours looking at N sites and N pages to find only one information.
That"s a nice dream but it isn't feasible. We can't explain how an operating system works, how Java works, how Servlet container works, how a database work, how a mouse works, etc. We have to stop somewhere.
Since Java has normalized what a web application is, this is where we stop. You can find thousands of online documentation and books on installing java webapps (.WAR files). That's really easy to find documentation.
I hope I'll get to fix my problems and I'll be happy to share it afterwards for people facing the same issues. It would be really easier if all the installation problems like this (exception, etc...) were listed on a unique page leading to the right solution rather than having to look to multiples threads, forums, blogs and websites....
But that's just my opinion.
Sure. We'll be happy to add whatever tutorial you write to the list we have started on the Installation page but we'll never be able to cover all user cases. The only solution is for users to understand what they are doing and understand what a servlet container is, how to configure it, etc.
I hope someone will be able to help me with Jetty.
Well that's really not hard. Just search google about running jetty as a service. The solution depen on your OS so I can't really answer. For windows, see http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JETTY/Win32Wrapper For unix just use the standard unix service for your OS (etc/init.d).
Thanks -Vincent
Thank you for your time and the help you'll give me.
Regards,
Jeremy Amode.
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On Aug 26, 2008, at 9:19 PM, Squirrel wrote:
Sorry to butt-in into this thread. Something that maybe someone from the community could do is to provide for some platform-combinations a specific installation routine (no, I don't know how to do that, but I do know that this is possible).
Yes that what I mean by "'the tutorials on the installation page": http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/Installation#HTutorials The more we have the merrier. However users must realize it's not going to solve all issues and the other problems is that there's a good chance these will become obsolete when XWiki evolves. This is why I added the warning on that page: "Tutorials external to the xwiki.org site have not been validated for correctness by the XWiki dev team and it's also possible that they are out of date." Thanks -Vincent
So if you have a fresh Debian 4 Etch installation, you would maybe pick the installation package (Deb?), which installs xwiki with all the dependencies. I'm aware of the fact, that you have several combination possibilities (and the update/upgrade procedure). I'm just saying that's maybe something that could lower some barriers for the people and get more people to use XWiki.
Anybody out there who knows how to create something I outlined and willing to pitch in?
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Jeremy,
On Aug 26, 2008, at 8:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Hi,
As I explained it in several messages, I'm trying to use XWiki on a remote server. We're accessing it with a ssh connection (using Putty).
First, I tried to install the war manually and it seems that I succeed but we couldn't access to the XWiki page although Tomcat seems to work fine.
I couldn't find anybody able to help me on this matter and I needed XWiki to be installed so I choose to install the standalone version. But there's a little problem. XWiki is working just fine but we have to start jetty with a command on our putty terminal and if we shut the window where the commad has been entered, we shut down jetty... so we can't access XWiki anymore if the window isn't open
Is there a way to keep Jetty running without having to keep the terminal window open?
Sorry but I need to ask: how is all this related to xwiki? XWiki is just a web application, i.e. a WAR. You have to install it in your favorite Servlet container.
Thus the question you have should be searched for in your favorite Servlet container's documentation. XWiki doesn't explain what Java is, what a database is nor does it explain what a Servlet container is or how it works. This is a given and a prerequisite.
That said, we've recognized the need to make it as simple as possible to install XWiki and that's why we're also providing a bundled standalone zip which has everything already packaged and configured. But of course this bundle only provides a single configuration and is only for testing.
What you really need to do (as is explained in the documentation) is to install it in your own Servlet container and your own database.
That said, I must say that I've been surprised by the difficulty to install XWiki with both method (especially the first one). Even with a good tutorial about how to install xwiki manually on a Debian Etch 4.02 we still had a problem. And with the standalone version, although it works just fine, there still is this little problem with Jetty (But I hope somebody will be able to help with this). It's been difficult to find help all over the web. Don't you think all the problems that we can't get should be put in one place? It would avoid for someone trying to install xwiki to spend hours looking at N sites and N pages to find only one information.
That"s a nice dream but it isn't feasible. We can't explain how an operating system works, how Java works, how Servlet container works, how a database work, how a mouse works, etc. We have to stop somewhere.
Since Java has normalized what a web application is, this is where we stop. You can find thousands of online documentation and books on installing java webapps (.WAR files). That's really easy to find documentation.
I hope I'll get to fix my problems and I'll be happy to share it afterwards for people facing the same issues. It would be really easier if all the installation problems like this (exception, etc...) were listed on a unique page leading to the right solution rather than having to look to multiples threads, forums, blogs and websites....
But that's just my opinion.
Sure. We'll be happy to add whatever tutorial you write to the list we have started on the Installation page but we'll never be able to cover all user cases. The only solution is for users to understand what they are doing and understand what a servlet container is, how to configure it, etc.
I hope someone will be able to help me with Jetty.
Well that's really not hard. Just search google about running jetty as a service. The solution depen on your OS so I can't really answer. For windows, see http://docs.codehaus.org/display/JETTY/Win32Wrapper For unix just use the standard unix service for your OS (etc/init.d).
Thanks -Vincent
Thank you for your time and the help you'll give me.
Regards,
Jeremy Amode.
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Hi jeremy, This is not xwiki specific, but probably Linux related. I am assuming that becaus of using ssh. you sould try either "&" at the end of the line or "bg" at the begining, both are the same for running anything im background. "nuhup" may also help Alain [email protected] escreveu:
Hi,
As I explained it in several messages, I'm trying to use XWiki on a remote server. We're accessing it with a ssh connection (using Putty).
First, I tried to install the war manually and it seems that I succeed but we couldn't access to the XWiki page although Tomcat seems to work fine.
I couldn't find anybody able to help me on this matter and I needed XWiki to be installed so I choose to install the standalone version. But there's a little problem. XWiki is working just fine but we have to start jetty with a command on our putty terminal and if we shut the window where the commad has been entered, we shut down jetty... so we can't access XWiki anymore if the window isn't open
Is there a way to keep Jetty running without having to keep the terminal window open?
That said, I must say that I've been surprised by the difficulty to install XWiki with both method (especially the first one). Even with a good tutorial about how to install xwiki manually on a Debian Etch 4.02 we still had a problem. And with the standalone version, although it works just fine, there still is this little problem with Jetty (But I hope somebody will be able to help with this). It's been difficult to find help all over the web. Don't you think all the problems that we can't get should be put in one place? It would avoid for someone trying to install xwiki to spend hours looking at N sites and N pages to find only one information. I hope I'll get to fix my problems and I'll be happy to share it afterwards for people facing the same issues. It would be really easier if all the installation problems like this (exception, etc...) were listed on a unique page leading to the right solution rather than having to look to multiples threads, forums, blogs and websites....
But that's just my opinion.
I hope someone will be able to help me with Jetty.
Thank you for your time and the help you'll give me.
Regards,
Jeremy Amode.
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[email protected] wrote:
Hi,
As I explained it in several messages, I'm trying to use XWiki on a remote server. We're accessing it with a ssh connection (using Putty).
First, I tried to install the war manually and it seems that I succeed but we couldn't access to the XWiki page although Tomcat seems to work fine.
I said that you should look in the logs and see what error is printed there. If you don't do this, nobody can help you. "It doesn't work" is not enough to find and solve the problem.
I couldn't find anybody able to help me on this matter and I needed XWiki to be installed so I choose to install the standalone version. But there's a little problem. XWiki is working just fine but we have to start jetty with a command on our putty terminal and if we shut the window where the commad has been entered, we shut down jetty... so we can't access XWiki anymore if the window isn't open
Is there a way to keep Jetty running without having to keep the terminal window open?
The best option would be to use jetty as a system daemon, like Vincent said. Try to find an init script for jetty, or you can try to write your own init script, it shouldn't be hard. Another option would be to install "screen" and use it. See http://www.gnu.org/software/screen/ Another option is to use nohup. Each option requires some linux knowledge, and there's nothing XWiki specific, the documentation of each tool is enough.
That said, I must say that I've been surprised by the difficulty to install XWiki with both method (especially the first one). Even with a good tutorial about how to install xwiki manually on a Debian Etch 4.02 we still had a problem. And with the standalone version, although it works just fine, there still is this little problem with Jetty (But I hope somebody will be able to help with this). It's been difficult to find help all over the web. Don't you think all the problems that we can't get should be put in one place? It would avoid for someone trying to install xwiki to spend hours looking at N sites and N pages to find only one information. I hope I'll get to fix my problems and I'll be happy to share it afterwards for people facing the same issues. It would be really easier if all the installation problems like this (exception, etc...) were listed on a unique page leading to the right solution rather than having to look to multiples threads, forums, blogs and websites....
But that's just my opinion.
Like Vincent said already, it is not our job to describe how to install a container. The documentation we have is enough, and it describes the needed steps from XWiki's perspective: 0. Install Java 1. Install a container. 2. Install a database. 3. Copy the xwiki war to the container 4. Configure the xwiki--database connection, which is pretty well documented 5. Start the container. The only XWiki specific thing is #4, only one out of 6 steps. The problem is that there are many possible containers, databases and other optional touches, like an apache httpd frontend, virtual hosts and DNS. caches, LDAP and so on. And when taking into account all the possible combinations, there are too many configurations to describe. For those that don't know how to install the needed environment, we have a simple .zip distribution that offers a basic working wiki. We cannot document how to install Tomcat, as that is a completely different project. We cannot document how to install Jetty either. And I'm sure you know that mysql or postgresql are not our responsibility. This is how linux works, there are many components, or services, that cooperate and integrate into each other. In Windows, clicking an .exe is enough to install an application because it does not cooperate. A windows application is usually an isolated binary blob that doesn't use anything other than the windows API, and doesn't offer anything another application might use. That's why installing something in Windows is easy. And we have such an installer for XWiki, too. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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