Hi, all XWiki users, I know this is a tough question.... Anyone has experience in using TWiki and willing to point out why would anyone choose XWiki over TWiki? I know both are pretty good, both are open source, both have many supporters, both can do almost the same things, but for someone new, what are the reasons to consider to choose XWiki? For it is written in JAVA? for the user group? for the future direction? for the access control? Wei-hsing ps. Anyone plan to attend Wikimania in Taiwan this summer? to learn from the MediaWiki or WikiMedia? (I know Vincent is, right?)
Hi, a bit of history would be interesting here :-) Basically, when XWiki was first written its aim was to provide an eXtended - wiki (hence X - Wiki) that would include the best features out there at the time (back in 2003 I think). Ludovic was inspired by TWiki he used to great effect in his previous jobs, but felt like something was missing. Then he wrote XWiki, with the aim of making it a modular and flexible platform. It is one of the few wikis to offer the easy application building capabilities it has, and the only Open Source wiki I know of to provide this. TWiki offers flexibility through plugins too, but not to the level XWiki does. You can create a template in minutes and tweak it to suit your need, immediately. To keep it short, XWiki is meant by design to be easy to add to and to build from while TWiki does so less natively. Then all the reasons you suggested are important too (XWiki is written in JAVA, it has a great user group, its future direction is decided clearly and access control rights are tough), depending on what your requirements are and what programmation languages you are literate in... Hope this helps a bit, please ask for more details if you need them :-) Guillaume On 21/06/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, all XWiki users,
I know this is a tough question....
Anyone has experience in using TWiki and willing to point out why would anyone choose XWiki over TWiki?
I know both are pretty good, both are open source, both have many supporters, both can do almost the same things, but for someone new, what are the reasons to consider to choose XWiki?
For it is written in JAVA? for the user group? for the future direction? for the access control?
Wei-hsing
ps. Anyone plan to attend Wikimania in Taiwan this summer? to learn from the MediaWiki or WikiMedia? (I know Vincent is, right?)
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On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
a bit of history would be interesting here :-)
Basically, when XWiki was first written its aim was to provide an eXtended - wiki (hence X - Wiki) that would include the best features out there at the time (back in 2003 I think). Ludovic was inspired by TWiki he used to great effect in his previous jobs, but felt like something was missing.
Then he wrote XWiki, with the aim of making it a modular and flexible platform. It is one of the few wikis to offer the easy application building capabilities it has, and the only Open Source wiki I know of to provide this. TWiki offers flexibility through plugins too, but not to the level XWiki does. You can create a template in minutes and tweak it to suit your need, immediately.
To keep it short, XWiki is meant by design to be easy to add to and to build from while TWiki does so less natively.
Then all the reasons you suggested are important too (XWiki is written in JAVA, it has a great user group, its future direction is decided clearly and access control rights are tough), depending on what your requirements are and what programmation languages you are literate in...
Hope this helps a bit, please ask for more details if you need them :-)
I'm pretty sure TWiki fans would say something similar ;) It would be interesting to know TWiki's fan answers if you've asked on their lists... I have also used TWiki in the past (it was the first wiki I ever used). I think you're right in saying that it mostly depend on your familiarity with the underlying language. I have the feeling XWiki is closer to large Enterprise needs than TWiki is simply because the Java platform is the selection of choice for lots of large companies. The other things are the applications mentioned by Guillaume. For example if you check on http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/ Solutions/ you'll see XWiki Watch, Chronopoly and Nearbee which are examples of applications built on top of XWiki. You can also check http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/ to see what people are doing with XWiki. -Vincent
On 21/06/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, all XWiki users,
I know this is a tough question....
Anyone has experience in using TWiki and willing to point out why would anyone choose XWiki over TWiki?
I know both are pretty good, both are open source, both have many supporters, both can do almost the same things, but for someone new, what are the reasons to consider to choose XWiki?
For it is written in JAVA? for the user group? for the future direction? for the access control?
Wei-hsing
ps. Anyone plan to attend Wikimania in Taiwan this summer? to learn from the MediaWiki or WikiMedia? (I know Vincent is, right?)
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Hi there, If you wanna compare wikis, I'll like to point out 2 interesting resources : - http://www.qsos.org/?lp_lang_pref=en&p=19 QSOS is a method, designed to qualify, select and compare free and open source software in an objective, traceable and argued way. Its docs are available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License and the tools are GPL. This link is an entry from QSOS blog adverstising their wiki template : http://www.qsos.org/templates/wiki.html The only assessed wiki today os xwiki, but anyone is welcome to contribute and provide a twiki assessment - http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/TWiki+XWiki Cheers, François On 6/21/07, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
a bit of history would be interesting here :-)
Basically, when XWiki was first written its aim was to provide an eXtended - wiki (hence X - Wiki) that would include the best features out there at the time (back in 2003 I think). Ludovic was inspired by TWiki he used to great effect in his previous jobs, but felt like something was missing.
Then he wrote XWiki, with the aim of making it a modular and flexible platform. It is one of the few wikis to offer the easy application building capabilities it has, and the only Open Source wiki I know of to provide this. TWiki offers flexibility through plugins too, but not to the level XWiki does. You can create a template in minutes and tweak it to suit your need, immediately.
To keep it short, XWiki is meant by design to be easy to add to and to build from while TWiki does so less natively.
Then all the reasons you suggested are important too (XWiki is written in JAVA, it has a great user group, its future direction is decided clearly and access control rights are tough), depending on what your requirements are and what programmation languages you are literate in...
Hope this helps a bit, please ask for more details if you need them :-)
I'm pretty sure TWiki fans would say something similar ;) It would be interesting to know TWiki's fan answers if you've asked on their lists...
I have also used TWiki in the past (it was the first wiki I ever used). I think you're right in saying that it mostly depend on your familiarity with the underlying language. I have the feeling XWiki is closer to large Enterprise needs than TWiki is simply because the Java platform is the selection of choice for lots of large companies.
The other things are the applications mentioned by Guillaume. For example if you check on http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Solutions/ you'll see XWiki Watch, Chronopoly and Nearbee which are examples of applications built on top of XWiki. You can also check http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/ to see what people are doing with XWiki.
-Vincent
On 21/06/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi, all XWiki users,
I know this is a tough question....
Anyone has experience in using TWiki and willing to point out why would anyone choose XWiki over TWiki?
I know both are pretty good, both are open source, both have many supporters, both can do almost the same things, but for someone new, what are the reasons to consider to choose XWiki?
For it is written in JAVA? for the user group? for the future direction? for the access control?
Wei-hsing
ps. Anyone plan to attend Wikimania in Taiwan this summer? to learn from the MediaWiki or WikiMedia? (I know Vincent is, right?)
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On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:48 AM, François Le Droff wrote:
Hi there,
If you wanna compare wikis, I'll like to point out 2 interesting resources : http://www.qsos.org/?lp_lang_pref=en&p=19 QSOS is a method, designed to qualify, select and compare free and open source software in an objective, traceable and argued way. Its docs are available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License and the tools are GPL. This link is an entry from QSOS blog adverstising their wiki template : http://www.qsos.org/templates/wiki.html The only assessed wiki today os xwiki, but anyone is welcome to contribute and provide a twiki assessment
A pity that the XWiki version assessed is 0.9.840 and not 1.0 (I know, the evaluation was done before 1.0 was released) :)
http://www.wikimatrix.org/compare/TWiki+XWiki FWIW, I have just updated wikimatrix with the latest information about XWiki.
Thanks -Vincent
On 6/21/07, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:06 AM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
a bit of history would be interesting here :-)
Basically, when XWiki was first written its aim was to provide an eXtended - wiki (hence X - Wiki) that would include the best features out there at the time (back in 2003 I think). Ludovic was inspired by TWiki he used to great effect in his previous jobs, but felt like something was missing.
Then he wrote XWiki, with the aim of making it a modular and flexible platform. It is one of the few wikis to offer the easy application building capabilities it has, and the only Open Source wiki I know of to provide this. TWiki offers flexibility through plugins too, but not to the level XWiki does. You can create a template in minutes and tweak it to suit your need, immediately.
To keep it short, XWiki is meant by design to be easy to add to and to build from while TWiki does so less natively.
Then all the reasons you suggested are important too (XWiki is written in JAVA, it has a great user group, its future direction is decided clearly and access control rights are tough), depending on what your requirements are and what programmation languages you are literate in...
Hope this helps a bit, please ask for more details if you need them :-)
I'm pretty sure TWiki fans would say something similar ;) It would be interesting to know TWiki's fan answers if you've asked on their lists...
I have also used TWiki in the past (it was the first wiki I ever used). I think you're right in saying that it mostly depend on your familiarity with the underlying language. I have the feeling XWiki is closer to large Enterprise needs than TWiki is simply because the Java platform is the selection of choice for lots of large companies.
The other things are the applications mentioned by Guillaume. For example if you check on http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/ Solutions/ you'll see XWiki Watch, Chronopoly and Nearbee which are examples of applications built on top of XWiki. You can also check http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/References/ to see what people are doing with XWiki.
-Vincent
On 21/06/07, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: Hi, all XWiki users,
I know this is a tough question....
Anyone has experience in using TWiki and willing to point out why would anyone choose XWiki over TWiki?
I know both are pretty good, both are open source, both have many supporters, both can do almost the same things, but for someone new, what are the reasons to consider to choose XWiki?
For it is written in JAVA? for the user group? for the future direction? for the access control?
Wei-hsing
ps. Anyone plan to attend Wikimania in Taiwan this summer? to learn from the MediaWiki or WikiMedia? (I know Vincent is, right?)
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My personal choice of XWiki was driven by the following considerations 1. I know only java, thus can maintain wiki in java only. 2. I can't afford Confluence license for just a personal wiki. If only they had appropriate license for this niche... 3. From the remaining alternatives (not numerous unfortunately) XWiki looks like the most appropriate one. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [xwiki-users] xwiki vs twiki Hi, all XWiki users, I know this is a tough question.... Anyone has experience in using TWiki and willing to point out why would anyone choose XWiki over TWiki? I know both are pretty good, both are open source, both have many supporters, both can do almost the same things, but for someone new, what are the reasons to consider to choose XWiki? For it is written in JAVA? for the user group? for the future direction? for the access control? Wei-hsing ps. Anyone plan to attend Wikimania in Taiwan this summer? to learn from the MediaWiki or WikiMedia? (I know Vincent is, right?)
On Jun 21, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Pavel wrote:
My personal choice of XWiki was driven by the following considerations
1. I know only java, thus can maintain wiki in java only. 2. I can't afford Confluence license for just a personal wiki. If only they had appropriate license for this niche... 3. From the remaining alternatives (not numerous unfortunately) XWiki looks like the most appropriate one.
That doesn't sound very encouraging as you're basically saying you've picked XWiki not because it was good but because there were no other good solution... ;) That said, it's very good that you'd have picked Confluence as this is a good way for us to find out what needs to be improved in XWiki so that you'd pick it if money wasn't an issue, from your POV. Would you mind listing things you don't like in XWiki or things that are missing? Thanks -Vincent
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [xwiki-users] xwiki vs twiki
Hi, all XWiki users,
I know this is a tough question....
Anyone has experience in using TWiki and willing to point out why would anyone choose XWiki over TWiki?
I know both are pretty good, both are open source, both have many supporters, both can do almost the same things, but for someone new, what are the reasons to consider to choose XWiki?
For it is written in JAVA? for the user group? for the future direction? for the access control?
Wei-hsing
ps. Anyone plan to attend Wikimania in Taiwan this summer? to learn from the MediaWiki or WikiMedia? (I know Vincent is, right?)
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for I like the sperated discussing flow from authoring flow, it's quite convenient to having them clear and in a single page. and it will be better if: - showing of comment while editing of page - and a button can view the cooresponding version one comment is base on - even better if there is a button in the toolbox of editor can pick to add one of comments Regards, Muzi On Jun 21, 2007 10:02 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Jun 21, 2007, at 1:16 PM, Pavel wrote:
My personal choice of XWiki was driven by the following considerations
1. I know only java, thus can maintain wiki in java only. 2. I can't afford Confluence license for just a personal wiki. If only they had appropriate license for this niche... 3. From the remaining alternatives (not numerous unfortunately) XWiki looks like the most appropriate one.
That doesn't sound very encouraging as you're basically saying you've picked XWiki not because it was good but because there were no other good solution... ;)
That said, it's very good that you'd have picked Confluence as this is a good way for us to find out what needs to be improved in XWiki so that you'd pick it if money wasn't an issue, from your POV. Would you mind listing things you don't like in XWiki or things that are missing?
Thanks -Vincent
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 5:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [xwiki-users] xwiki vs twiki
Hi, all XWiki users,
I know this is a tough question....
Anyone has experience in using TWiki and willing to point out why would anyone choose XWiki over TWiki?
I know both are pretty good, both are open source, both have many supporters, both can do almost the same things, but for someone new, what are the reasons to consider to choose XWiki?
For it is written in JAVA? for the user group? for the future direction? for the access control?
Wei-hsing
ps. Anyone plan to attend Wikimania in Taiwan this summer? to learn from the MediaWiki or WikiMedia? (I know Vincent is, right?)
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