[xwiki-users] [Proposal] Governance for xwiki.org
Hi everyone (devs and users), While we have a clear governance for write access to our source repository (http://dev.xwiki.org), we're missing a clear governance for xwiki.org. The idea is to address mainly the following 2 questions: 1) who "owns" it and thus "controls" (or rather provides direction for) its content 2) can it be used for business advertising (support, paid packages, consulting services) Bit of History about XWiki SAS ======================== - XWiki SAS (http://xwiki.com) is the company founded by Ludovic Dubost the creator of XWiki (I'm the CTO of XWiki SAS in addition to being a committer here). - Most of the active contributors are also employed and paid by XWiki SAS to develop the XWiki software. Today that's -- 12.5 committers (developers) -- 1 open source product manager (see http://markmail.org/thread/ggaaw4u6yyci4oan for its definition) -- 1 designer -- 1 tester/technical writer - XWiki SAS sells services around the open source software, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Services/ - XWiki SAS truly believes and understands open source, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Values -- I also wrote a blog post on this some time back: http://massol.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/XWikiSASAndOpenSource - XWiki SAS has promised "not to do evil" ;), see its manifesto at http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Manifesto - XWiki SAS is paying for the servers and maintenance of xwiki.org, myxwiki.org, the maven repo, the svn repo, the hudson build serversn the free JUG farm, and more Issue at hand =========== XWiki SAS would like to generate more revenue to be able to increase the development pace of the XWiki software. We'd like to fund even more the development of XWiki, so that it becomes an even better product. We've asked you what you'd like to see in the future in XWiki and you've answered on this survey result: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/Features+Survey+Results We'd like to implement those features as fast as possible. For this we need to ensure that users interested in commercial services find easily the way to http://xwiki.com, even when they arrive on xwiki.org. This is true for XWiki SAS's services but also for any company willing to offer services around the XWiki open source project. There's no magic. Developers need to be paid when they work full time on some project. We need a commercial ecosystem around XWiki for it to progress as quickly as its competitors (the collaboration market). We need to allow for commercial companies the ability to generate revenue from their work on the XWiki open source project. However we also want to continue ensuring that all the XWiki development is done in open source, under a LGPL license. Governance Proposal ================= 1) xwiki.org is controlled by the XWiki committers. This means that important changes brought to it should be discussed/vote on the list, using the same practices as for code commits 2) xwiki.org stays open in edit mode to all external contributors (and XWiki committers continue to monitor it to remove spam, etc) 3) we agree to start with 3 zones where companies can advertise their commercial offers on top of the XWiki open source product: -- On the download page (for business packages, subscriptions, hosting) -- On the support page (for services: support, consulting) -- (still to be defined) Possibly on a "Products" tab in the new horizontal navigation. The idea would be to do as jboss.org is doing. Projects are open source and community and Products are commercial 4) the company offerings are listed by their amount of contributions to the XWiki open source project. The company that contributes most (XWiki SAS today) gets the best spots (top of the list, bigger space) 5) Companies who want to be listed should provide some proof of their contributions to the XWiki open source project 6) XWiki SAS gets some acknowledgment for paying for the xwiki.org server/maintenance of it. Probably somewhere in the footer of the site or on side panel somewhere 7) xwiki.org should always remain a site for the xwiki open source community Conclusion ========= We want to stress that this proposal is not about XWiki SAS making a commercial takeover of the xwiki.org site. It's about recognizing that if the XWiki open source software progresses quickly today, it's thanks to contributors but also for a very large proportion to companies paying developers to work on it, either directly (like XWiki SAS or other companies that have developers contributing) or indirectly (by paying for example XWiki SAS or other companies to work on specific features). It's also about recognizing that XWiki SAS is happy to see other companies willing to contribute to the progress of the XWiki open source project and thus to provide a place for these companies to be visible too. I hope that all our contributors but also users of the XWiki Open Source software will find this proposal acceptable and I welcome any feedback on it. Thanks -Vincent Massol Hat 1: XWiki SAS CTO Hat 2: XWiki committer
Hi, On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi everyone (devs and users),
While we have a clear governance for write access to our source repository (http://dev.xwiki.org), we're missing a clear governance for xwiki.org. The idea is to address mainly the following 2 questions: 1) who "owns" it and thus "controls" (or rather provides direction for) its content 2) can it be used for business advertising (support, paid packages, consulting services)
Bit of History about XWiki SAS ========================
- XWiki SAS (http://xwiki.com) is the company founded by Ludovic Dubost the creator of XWiki (I'm the CTO of XWiki SAS in addition to being a committer here). - Most of the active contributors are also employed and paid by XWiki SAS to develop the XWiki software. Today that's -- 12.5 committers (developers) -- 1 open source product manager (see http://markmail.org/thread/ggaaw4u6yyci4oan for its definition) -- 1 designer -- 1 tester/technical writer - XWiki SAS sells services around the open source software, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Services/ - XWiki SAS truly believes and understands open source, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Values -- I also wrote a blog post on this some time back: http://massol.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/XWikiSASAndOpenSource - XWiki SAS has promised "not to do evil" ;), see its manifesto at http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Manifesto - XWiki SAS is paying for the servers and maintenance of xwiki.org, myxwiki.org, the maven repo, the svn repo, the hudson build serversn the free JUG farm, and more
Issue at hand ===========
XWiki SAS would like to generate more revenue to be able to increase the development pace of the XWiki software. We'd like to fund even more the development of XWiki, so that it becomes an even better product. We've asked you what you'd like to see in the future in XWiki and you've answered on this survey result: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/Features+Survey+Results
We'd like to implement those features as fast as possible.
For this we need to ensure that users interested in commercial services find easily the way to http://xwiki.com, even when they arrive on xwiki.org.
This is true for XWiki SAS's services but also for any company willing to offer services around the XWiki open source project. There's no magic. Developers need to be paid when they work full time on some project. We need a commercial ecosystem around XWiki for it to progress as quickly as its competitors (the collaboration market). We need to allow for commercial companies the ability to generate revenue from their work on the XWiki open source project. However we also want to continue ensuring that all the XWiki development is done in open source, under a LGPL license.
Governance Proposal =================
1) xwiki.org is controlled by the XWiki committers. This means that important changes brought to it should be discussed/vote on the list, using the same practices as for code commits 2) xwiki.org stays open in edit mode to all external contributors (and XWiki committers continue to monitor it to remove spam, etc) 3) we agree to start with 3 zones where companies can advertise their commercial offers on top of the XWiki open source product: -- On the download page (for business packages, subscriptions, hosting) -- On the support page (for services: support, consulting) -- (still to be defined) Possibly on a "Products" tab in the new horizontal navigation. The idea would be to do as jboss.org is doing. Projects are open source and community and Products are commercial 4) the company offerings are listed by their amount of contributions to the XWiki open source project. The company that contributes most (XWiki SAS today) gets the best spots (top of the list, bigger space) 5) Companies who want to be listed should provide some proof of their contributions to the XWiki open source project 6) XWiki SAS gets some acknowledgment for paying for the xwiki.org server/maintenance of it. Probably somewhere in the footer of the site or on side panel somewhere 7) xwiki.org should always remain a site for the xwiki open source community
Conclusion =========
We want to stress that this proposal is not about XWiki SAS making a commercial takeover of the xwiki.org site.
It's about recognizing that if the XWiki open source software progresses quickly today, it's thanks to contributors but also for a very large proportion to companies paying developers to work on it, either directly (like XWiki SAS or other companies that have developers contributing) or indirectly (by paying for example XWiki SAS or other companies to work on specific features).
It's also about recognizing that XWiki SAS is happy to see other companies willing to contribute to the progress of the XWiki open source project and thus to provide a place for these companies to be visible too.
I hope that all our contributors but also users of the XWiki Open Source software will find this proposal acceptable and I welcome any feedback on it.
Sounds good to me. Note: I work for XWiki SAS too. I'd love to get feedback from people outside the company - Denis, Caleb, Pascal, Christophe, Jérémie, Ricardo and all the others: it's time to join the discussion! ;-) Guillaume
Thanks -Vincent Massol Hat 1: XWiki SAS CTO Hat 2: XWiki committer _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki SAS Skype: wikibc Twitter: glerouge http://guillaumelerouge.com/
Hi Vincent, It sounds pretty good to me. There are a few items we need to make sure we implement right (making it clear what's commercial and what's open on xwiki.org, the 'rules' for getting the offer listed, etc), but those are matters of the actual implementation and not the idea itself. On 12/04/2009 04:44 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi everyone (devs and users),
While we have a clear governance for write access to our source repository (http://dev.xwiki.org), we're missing a clear governance for xwiki.org. The idea is to address mainly the following 2 questions: 1) who "owns" it and thus "controls" (or rather provides direction for) its content 2) can it be used for business advertising (support, paid packages, consulting services)
Bit of History about XWiki SAS ========================
- XWiki SAS (http://xwiki.com) is the company founded by Ludovic Dubost the creator of XWiki (I'm the CTO of XWiki SAS in addition to being a committer here). - Most of the active contributors are also employed and paid by XWiki SAS to develop the XWiki software. Today that's -- 12.5 committers (developers) -- 1 open source product manager (see http://markmail.org/thread/ggaaw4u6yyci4oan for its definition) -- 1 designer -- 1 tester/technical writer - XWiki SAS sells services around the open source software, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Services/ - XWiki SAS truly believes and understands open source, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Values -- I also wrote a blog post on this some time back: http://massol.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/XWikiSASAndOpenSource - XWiki SAS has promised "not to do evil" ;), see its manifesto at http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Manifesto - XWiki SAS is paying for the servers and maintenance of xwiki.org, myxwiki.org, the maven repo, the svn repo, the hudson build serversn the free JUG farm, and more
Issue at hand ===========
XWiki SAS would like to generate more revenue to be able to increase the development pace of the XWiki software. We'd like to fund even more the development of XWiki, so that it becomes an even better product. We've asked you what you'd like to see in the future in XWiki and you've answered on this survey result: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/Features+Survey+Results
We'd like to implement those features as fast as possible.
For this we need to ensure that users interested in commercial services find easily the way to http://xwiki.com, even when they arrive on xwiki.org.
This is true for XWiki SAS's services but also for any company willing to offer services around the XWiki open source project. There's no magic. Developers need to be paid when they work full time on some project. We need a commercial ecosystem around XWiki for it to progress as quickly as its competitors (the collaboration market). We need to allow for commercial companies the ability to generate revenue from their work on the XWiki open source project. However we also want to continue ensuring that all the XWiki development is done in open source, under a LGPL license.
Governance Proposal =================
1) xwiki.org is controlled by the XWiki committers. This means that important changes brought to it should be discussed/vote on the list, using the same practices as for code commits 2) xwiki.org stays open in edit mode to all external contributors (and XWiki committers continue to monitor it to remove spam, etc) 3) we agree to start with 3 zones where companies can advertise their commercial offers on top of the XWiki open source product: -- On the download page (for business packages, subscriptions, hosting) -- On the support page (for services: support, consulting) -- (still to be defined) Possibly on a "Products" tab in the new horizontal navigation. The idea would be to do as jboss.org is doing. Projects are open source and community and Products are commercial 4) the company offerings are listed by their amount of contributions to the XWiki open source project. The company that contributes most (XWiki SAS today) gets the best spots (top of the list, bigger space) 5) Companies who want to be listed should provide some proof of their contributions to the XWiki open source project 6) XWiki SAS gets some acknowledgment for paying for the xwiki.org server/maintenance of it. Probably somewhere in the footer of the site or on side panel somewhere
I think this could be optional as it is included in the support XWiki SAS offers for XWiki.org and therefore 'rewarded' through the advertising space.
7) xwiki.org should always remain a site for the xwiki open source community
Conclusion =========
We want to stress that this proposal is not about XWiki SAS making a commercial takeover of the xwiki.org site.
It's about recognizing that if the XWiki open source software progresses quickly today, it's thanks to contributors but also for a very large proportion to companies paying developers to work on it, either directly (like XWiki SAS or other companies that have developers contributing) or indirectly (by paying for example XWiki SAS or other companies to work on specific features).
It's also about recognizing that XWiki SAS is happy to see other companies willing to contribute to the progress of the XWiki open source project and thus to provide a place for these companies to be visible too.
I hope that all our contributors but also users of the XWiki Open Source software will find this proposal acceptable and I welcome any feedback on it.
That would be a +1. Thanks, Anca Luca XWiki committer, XWiki SAS employed developer.
Thanks -Vincent Massol Hat 1: XWiki SAS CTO Hat 2: XWiki committer _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 15:44, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi everyone (devs and users),
While we have a clear governance for write access to our source repository (http://dev.xwiki.org), we're missing a clear governance for xwiki.org. The idea is to address mainly the following 2 questions: 1) who "owns" it and thus "controls" (or rather provides direction for) its content 2) can it be used for business advertising (support, paid packages, consulting services)
Bit of History about XWiki SAS ========================
- XWiki SAS (http://xwiki.com) is the company founded by Ludovic Dubost the creator of XWiki (I'm the CTO of XWiki SAS in addition to being a committer here). - Most of the active contributors are also employed and paid by XWiki SAS to develop the XWiki software. Today that's -- 12.5 committers (developers) -- 1 open source product manager (see http://markmail.org/thread/ggaaw4u6yyci4oan for its definition) -- 1 designer -- 1 tester/technical writer - XWiki SAS sells services around the open source software, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Services/ - XWiki SAS truly believes and understands open source, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Values -- I also wrote a blog post on this some time back: http://massol.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/XWikiSASAndOpenSource - XWiki SAS has promised "not to do evil" ;), see its manifesto at http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Manifesto - XWiki SAS is paying for the servers and maintenance of xwiki.org, myxwiki.org, the maven repo, the svn repo, the hudson build serversn the free JUG farm, and more
Issue at hand ===========
XWiki SAS would like to generate more revenue to be able to increase the development pace of the XWiki software. We'd like to fund even more the development of XWiki, so that it becomes an even better product. We've asked you what you'd like to see in the future in XWiki and you've answered on this survey result: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/Features+Survey+Results
We'd like to implement those features as fast as possible.
For this we need to ensure that users interested in commercial services find easily the way to http://xwiki.com, even when they arrive on xwiki.org.
This is true for XWiki SAS's services but also for any company willing to offer services around the XWiki open source project. There's no magic. Developers need to be paid when they work full time on some project. We need a commercial ecosystem around XWiki for it to progress as quickly as its competitors (the collaboration market). We need to allow for commercial companies the ability to generate revenue from their work on the XWiki open source project. However we also want to continue ensuring that all the XWiki development is done in open source, under a LGPL license.
Governance Proposal =================
1) xwiki.org is controlled by the XWiki committers. This means that important changes brought to it should be discussed/vote on the list, using the same practices as for code commits 2) xwiki.org stays open in edit mode to all external contributors (and XWiki committers continue to monitor it to remove spam, etc) 3) we agree to start with 3 zones where companies can advertise their commercial offers on top of the XWiki open source product: -- On the download page (for business packages, subscriptions, hosting) -- On the support page (for services: support, consulting) -- (still to be defined) Possibly on a "Products" tab in the new horizontal navigation. The idea would be to do as jboss.org is doing. Projects are open source and community and Products are commercial 4) the company offerings are listed by their amount of contributions to the XWiki open source project. The company that contributes most (XWiki SAS today) gets the best spots (top of the list, bigger space) 5) Companies who want to be listed should provide some proof of their contributions to the XWiki open source project 6) XWiki SAS gets some acknowledgment for paying for the xwiki.org server/maintenance of it. Probably somewhere in the footer of the site or on side panel somewhere
It's maybe already part of 4), depends how we value this contribution.
7) xwiki.org should always remain a site for the xwiki open source community
Conclusion =========
We want to stress that this proposal is not about XWiki SAS making a commercial takeover of the xwiki.org site.
It's about recognizing that if the XWiki open source software progresses quickly today, it's thanks to contributors but also for a very large proportion to companies paying developers to work on it, either directly (like XWiki SAS or other companies that have developers contributing) or indirectly (by paying for example XWiki SAS or other companies to work on specific features).
It's also about recognizing that XWiki SAS is happy to see other companies willing to contribute to the progress of the XWiki open source project and thus to provide a place for these companies to be visible too.
I hope that all our contributors but also users of the XWiki Open Source software will find this proposal acceptable and I welcome any feedback on it.
Sounds generally a good idea.
Thanks -Vincent Massol Hat 1: XWiki SAS CTO Hat 2: XWiki committer _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Thomas Mortagne
On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Governance Proposal =================
1) xwiki.org is controlled by the XWiki committers. This means that important changes brought to it should be discussed/vote on the list, using the same practices as for code commits
+1
2) xwiki.org stays open in edit mode to all external contributors (and XWiki committers continue to monitor it to remove spam, etc)
+1
3) we agree to start with 3 zones where companies can advertise their commercial offers on top of the XWiki open source product: -- On the download page (for business packages, subscriptions, hosting) -- On the support page (for services: support, consulting) -- (still to be defined) Possibly on a "Products" tab in the new horizontal navigation. The idea would be to do as jboss.org is doing. Projects are open source and community and Products are commercial
+1 And I agree with Marius' remark about the fact that only products that are built on top of XWiki could be advertised
4) the company offerings are listed by their amount of contributions to the XWiki open source project. The company that contributes most (XWiki SAS today) gets the best spots (top of the list, bigger space)
+1 This however is tricky... In order to define what "contribute most" means we need a metric, and that's not an easy thing to do. Maybe we could use a linear combination of weights assigned to the priority an issue has and an index for its "perceived" difficulty (I saw people tagging issues with their difficulty when handling the backlog in a Scrum-oriented process). Maybe LOC-count could go into the mix (the less the better :)) And maybe also time should influence the result (company that had a punctual high-quality contribution should not be listed forever if it stops contributing) The ranking is calculated wrt to this combination and a minimum threshold should be reached in order to be ranked. I don't really know how to handle this, but if we propose a ranking we need also to propose a policy about how it is calculated.
5) Companies who want to be listed should provide some proof of their contributions to the XWiki open source project
+1
6) XWiki SAS gets some acknowledgment for paying for the xwiki.org server/maintenance of it. Probably somewhere in the footer of the site or on side panel somewhere
+1
7) xwiki.org should always remain a site for the xwiki open source community
+1 -Fabio
Hi Anca, On Dec 15, 2009, at 7:03 PM, Anca Luca wrote:
Hi Vincent,
It sounds pretty good to me. There are a few items we need to make sure we implement right (making it clear what's commercial and what's open on xwiki.org, the 'rules' for getting the offer listed, etc), but those are matters of the actual implementation and not the idea itself.
On 12/04/2009 04:44 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Hi everyone (devs and users),
While we have a clear governance for write access to our source repository (http://dev.xwiki.org), we're missing a clear governance for xwiki.org. The idea is to address mainly the following 2 questions: 1) who "owns" it and thus "controls" (or rather provides direction for) its content 2) can it be used for business advertising (support, paid packages, consulting services)
Bit of History about XWiki SAS ========================
- XWiki SAS (http://xwiki.com) is the company founded by Ludovic Dubost the creator of XWiki (I'm the CTO of XWiki SAS in addition to being a committer here). - Most of the active contributors are also employed and paid by XWiki SAS to develop the XWiki software. Today that's -- 12.5 committers (developers) -- 1 open source product manager (see http://markmail.org/thread/ggaaw4u6yyci4oan for its definition) -- 1 designer -- 1 tester/technical writer - XWiki SAS sells services around the open source software, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/Services/ - XWiki SAS truly believes and understands open source, see http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Values -- I also wrote a blog post on this some time back: http://massol.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/XWikiSASAndOpenSource - XWiki SAS has promised "not to do evil" ;), see its manifesto at http://www.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/About/Manifesto - XWiki SAS is paying for the servers and maintenance of xwiki.org, myxwiki.org, the maven repo, the svn repo, the hudson build serversn the free JUG farm, and more
Issue at hand ===========
XWiki SAS would like to generate more revenue to be able to increase the development pace of the XWiki software. We'd like to fund even more the development of XWiki, so that it becomes an even better product. We've asked you what you'd like to see in the future in XWiki and you've answered on this survey result: http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Blog/Features+Survey+Results
We'd like to implement those features as fast as possible.
For this we need to ensure that users interested in commercial services find easily the way to http://xwiki.com, even when they arrive on xwiki.org.
This is true for XWiki SAS's services but also for any company willing to offer services around the XWiki open source project. There's no magic. Developers need to be paid when they work full time on some project. We need a commercial ecosystem around XWiki for it to progress as quickly as its competitors (the collaboration market). We need to allow for commercial companies the ability to generate revenue from their work on the XWiki open source project. However we also want to continue ensuring that all the XWiki development is done in open source, under a LGPL license.
Governance Proposal =================
1) xwiki.org is controlled by the XWiki committers. This means that important changes brought to it should be discussed/vote on the list, using the same practices as for code commits 2) xwiki.org stays open in edit mode to all external contributors (and XWiki committers continue to monitor it to remove spam, etc) 3) we agree to start with 3 zones where companies can advertise their commercial offers on top of the XWiki open source product: -- On the download page (for business packages, subscriptions, hosting) -- On the support page (for services: support, consulting) -- (still to be defined) Possibly on a "Products" tab in the new horizontal navigation. The idea would be to do as jboss.org is doing. Projects are open source and community and Products are commercial 4) the company offerings are listed by their amount of contributions to the XWiki open source project. The company that contributes most (XWiki SAS today) gets the best spots (top of the list, bigger space) 5) Companies who want to be listed should provide some proof of their contributions to the XWiki open source project 6) XWiki SAS gets some acknowledgment for paying for the xwiki.org server/maintenance of it. Probably somewhere in the footer of the site or on side panel somewhere
I think this could be optional as it is included in the support XWiki SAS offers for XWiki.org and therefore 'rewarded' through the advertising space.
It's different. This is about the hosting of xwiki.org itself. It's not related to support offerings. Thanks -Vincent
7) xwiki.org should always remain a site for the xwiki open source community
Conclusion =========
We want to stress that this proposal is not about XWiki SAS making a commercial takeover of the xwiki.org site.
It's about recognizing that if the XWiki open source software progresses quickly today, it's thanks to contributors but also for a very large proportion to companies paying developers to work on it, either directly (like XWiki SAS or other companies that have developers contributing) or indirectly (by paying for example XWiki SAS or other companies to work on specific features).
It's also about recognizing that XWiki SAS is happy to see other companies willing to contribute to the progress of the XWiki open source project and thus to provide a place for these companies to be visible too.
I hope that all our contributors but also users of the XWiki Open Source software will find this proposal acceptable and I welcome any feedback on it.
That would be a +1.
Thanks, Anca Luca XWiki committer, XWiki SAS employed developer.
Thanks -Vincent Massol Hat 1: XWiki SAS CTO Hat 2: XWiki committer _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Fabio Mancinelli wrote:
On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Governance Proposal =================
1) xwiki.org is controlled by the XWiki committers. This means that important changes brought to it should be discussed/vote on the list, using the same practices as for code commits
+1
2) xwiki.org stays open in edit mode to all external contributors (and XWiki committers continue to monitor it to remove spam, etc)
+1
3) we agree to start with 3 zones where companies can advertise their commercial offers on top of the XWiki open source product: -- On the download page (for business packages, subscriptions, hosting) -- On the support page (for services: support, consulting) -- (still to be defined) Possibly on a "Products" tab in the new horizontal navigation. The idea would be to do as jboss.org is doing. Projects are open source and community and Products are commercial
+1 And I agree with Marius' remark about the fact that only products that are built on top of XWiki could be advertised
4) the company offerings are listed by their amount of contributions to the XWiki open source project. The company that contributes most (XWiki SAS today) gets the best spots (top of the list, bigger space)
+1 This however is tricky... In order to define what "contribute most" means we need a metric, and that's not an easy thing to do.
Maybe we could use a linear combination of weights assigned to the priority an issue has and an index for its "perceived" difficulty (I saw people tagging issues with their difficulty when handling the backlog in a Scrum-oriented process). Maybe LOC-count could go into the mix (the less the better :)) And maybe also time should influence the result (company that had a punctual high-quality contribution should not be listed forever if it stops contributing)
The ranking is calculated wrt to this combination and a minimum threshold should be reached in order to be ranked.
I don't really know how to handle this, but if we propose a ranking we need also to propose a policy about how it is calculated.
Yes this is hard. One idea is: - number of LOC (patches not included - we need to reward committership which is a commitment on the long run) - when same number of LOC then use alphabetical order. Thanks -Vincent
5) Companies who want to be listed should provide some proof of their contributions to the XWiki open source project
+1
6) XWiki SAS gets some acknowledgment for paying for the xwiki.org server/maintenance of it. Probably somewhere in the footer of the site or on side panel somewhere
+1
7) xwiki.org should always remain a site for the xwiki open source community
+1
-Fabio
Hello, I'm just a basic user who tries to answer some mails from time to time ... But I'm quite confident in XWiki comitters, contributors, and in SAS members, to drive the project in the best way for all :) By the way I always thought xwiki.org and xwiki.com were so much different, that at first I thought it was talking about a completely different product (which is not exactly true nor false), so adding some "links" between them seems not to be a bad idea to me. BR, Jeremie 2010/3/15 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>
On Dec 16, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Fabio Mancinelli wrote:
On Dec 4, 2009, at 3:44 PM, Vincent Massol wrote:
Governance Proposal =================
1) xwiki.org is controlled by the XWiki committers. This means that important changes brought to it should be discussed/vote on the list, using the same practices as for code commits
+1
2) xwiki.org stays open in edit mode to all external contributors (and XWiki committers continue to monitor it to remove spam, etc)
+1
3) we agree to start with 3 zones where companies can advertise their commercial offers on top of the XWiki open source product: -- On the download page (for business packages, subscriptions, hosting) -- On the support page (for services: support, consulting) -- (still to be defined) Possibly on a "Products" tab in the new horizontal navigation. The idea would be to do as jboss.org is doing. Projects are open source and community and Products are commercial
+1 And I agree with Marius' remark about the fact that only products that
are built on top of XWiki could be advertised
4) the company offerings are listed by their amount of contributions to the XWiki open source project. The company that contributes most (XWiki SAS today) gets the best spots (top of the list, bigger space)
+1 This however is tricky... In order to define what "contribute most" means we need a metric, and
that's not an easy thing to do.
Maybe we could use a linear combination of weights assigned to the
priority an issue has and an index for its "perceived" difficulty (I saw people tagging issues with their difficulty when handling the backlog in a Scrum-oriented process). Maybe LOC-count could go into the mix (the less the better :)) And maybe also time should influence the result (company that had a punctual high-quality contribution should not be listed forever if it stops contributing)
The ranking is calculated wrt to this combination and a minimum threshold
should be reached in order to be ranked.
I don't really know how to handle this, but if we propose a ranking we
need also to propose a policy about how it is calculated.
Yes this is hard.
One idea is: - number of LOC (patches not included - we need to reward committership which is a commitment on the long run) - when same number of LOC then use alphabetical order.
Thanks -Vincent
5) Companies who want to be listed should provide some proof of their contributions to the XWiki open source project
+1
6) XWiki SAS gets some acknowledgment for paying for the xwiki.org server/maintenance of it. Probably somewhere in the footer of the site or on side panel somewhere
+1
7) xwiki.org should always remain a site for the xwiki open source community
+1
-Fabio
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Thomas Mortagne -
Vincent Massol