The pencils are injected using javascript so you might check to see if there are any javascript errors in your browser in firefox/chrome: right click -> inspect element -- click "console" Thanks, Caleb On 11/13/2013 12:38 PM, shouldbe q931 wrote:

Hi,

I installed the XWiki TableEdit extension, but I don't see the "pencil" next to any tables.

Is there something else I need to do to "activate" it ?

I'm running xwiki 5.2 on tomcat7 on Ubuntu 12.04

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It doesn't look like the skin extension is being pulled in, are you sure it was saved by a user with programming right? Thanks, Caleb On 11/13/2013 02:46 PM, shouldbe q931 wrote:

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:20 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> wrote:

...

The pencils are injected using javascript so you might check to see if there are any javascript errors in your browser in firefox/chrome: right click -> inspect element -- click "console"

Thanks, Caleb

Hi Caleb,

I did a right click > inspect element, clicked on console, ensured that everything would be logged and refreshed the page, output as below (apart from removing the domain name). I've not got a clue what I should be looking for.

Cheers

[13:40:41.792] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/view/TechMD+Time/2013%2D11%2D11 [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 495ms] [13:40:42.326] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/style.css?colorTheme=C... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 56ms] [13:40:42.328] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/print.css?colorTheme=C... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 121ms] [13:40:42.328] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/ssx/XWiki/SharePage?language=en [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 357ms] [13:40:42.329] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/ssx/Panels/Applications?language=en [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 190ms] [13:40:42.330] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/css/xwiki%2Dmin.css?colorT... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 357ms] [13:40:42.331] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/search/search... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 262ms] [13:40:42.332] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/suggest/sugge... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 261ms] [13:40:42.333] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/widgets/userp... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 294ms] [13:40:42.334] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/viewers/tags.... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 272ms] [13:40:42.336] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/viewers/comme... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 346ms] [13:40:42.337] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/widgets/uploa... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 358ms] [13:40:42.338] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/js/xwiki/viewers/attachmen... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 371ms] [13:40:42.339] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/pagination/pa... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 370ms] [13:40:42.340] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/amd/require.js [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 368ms] [13:40:42.341] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/prototype/prototype.js [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 381ms] [13:40:42.342] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/js/scriptaculous/effects.j... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 463ms] [13:40:42.343] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/js/xwiki/xwiki%2Dmin.js?de... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 488ms] [13:40:42.344] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/search/search... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 579ms] [13:40:42.345] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/suggest/sugge... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 433ms] [13:40:42.346] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/widgets/userp... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 423ms] [13:40:42.346] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/viewers/tags.... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 462ms] [13:40:42.347] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/viewers/comme... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 480ms] [13:40:42.348] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/widgets/uploa... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 484ms] [13:40:42.349] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/js/xwiki/viewers/attachmen... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 548ms] [13:40:42.351] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/jsx/XWiki/SharePage?language=en [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 538ms] [13:40:42.352] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/jsx/Panels/Applications?language=en [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 534ms] [13:40:42.353] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/xwiki/compatibility.js [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 511ms] [13:40:42.354] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/xwiki/markerScript.js [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 518ms] [13:40:42.355] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/css/microformats.css [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 474ms] [13:40:42.356] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 570ms] [13:40:42.615] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/css/xwiki%2Dmin.css?colorT... [13:40:42.615] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/css/xwiki%2Dmin.css?colorT... [13:40:42.618] Unknown property 'box-sizing'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/uicomponents/widgets/uploa... [13:40:42.888] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.888] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.888] Unknown pseudo-class or pseudo-element '-webkit-input-placeholder'. Ruleset ignored due to bad selector. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.888] Unknown pseudo-class or pseudo-element '-ms-placeholder'. Ruleset ignored due to bad selector. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.888] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.888] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.888] Unknown property 'box-sizing'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Expected color but found 'bottom'. Error in parsing value for 'background'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.889] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:42.890] Error in parsing value for 'background-image'. Declaration dropped. @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/skins/colibri/colibri.css?colorTheme... [13:40:43.251] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/download/ColorThemes/DefaultColorTheme/lo... [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 68ms] [13:40:43.253] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/xwiki/search.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 21ms] [13:40:43.254] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/transmit.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 23ms] [13:40:43.254] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/application_view_tile.pn... [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 22ms] [13:40:43.255] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/group.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 26ms] [13:40:43.256] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/add.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 28ms] [13:40:43.257] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/bullet_go.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 45ms] [13:40:43.258] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/xwiki/ajax%2Dloader%2Dlarge.g... [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 46ms] [13:40:43.258] POST https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/get/TechMD+Time/2013%2D11%2D11?xpage=xpar... [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 118ms] [13:40:43.259] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/user.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 53ms] [13:40:43.260] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/world.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 54ms] [13:40:43.261] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/folder.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 67ms] [13:40:43.261] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/page_white_text.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 67ms] [13:40:43.262] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/download/ColorThemes/DefaultColorTheme/he... [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 101ms] [13:40:43.263] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/page_white_edit.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 75ms] [13:40:43.264] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/xwiki/spinner.gif [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 73ms] [13:40:43.412] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/skin/resources/icons/xwiki/noavatar.png [HTTP/1.1 200 OK 44ms] [13:41:16.520] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/xwiki/star%2Dgray.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 66ms] [13:41:16.521] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/wrench.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 75ms] [13:41:16.522] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/book_open.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 78ms] [13:41:16.523] GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/icons/silk/cross.png [HTTP/1.1 304 Not Modified 78ms] _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 2:34 PM, shouldbe q931 <[email protected]> wrote:

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> wrote:

...

It doesn't look like the skin extension is being pulled in, are you sure it was saved by a user with programming right?

Thanks, Caleb

Hi Caleb,

/embarrassed face

the account had admin rights, but not programming rights

Its now working correctly :-)

Hi Caleb, er, working correctly as in the pencil shows, but when clicked on, the table doesn't open, only seeing gery box named "ModalBox Window" with no content Cheers

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> wrote:

Hmm, does anything show up in the console as far as errors?

Thanks, Caleb

Hi Caleb, Apologies, should have checked first, there are two errors in the console [17:18:33.222] Error: Script error for: jQueryNoConflict http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#scripterror @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/amd/require.js:1 [17:18:40.116] Error: Load timeout for modules: xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe_unnormalized2,xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#timeout @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/amd/require.js:1 Cheers

I think at this point it's probably best to go ahead and report a bug on jira.xwiki.org. This looks like it is just not performing correctly since some changes in the underlying platform, I sincerely apologize and appreciate your help on the matter. Thanks, Caleb On 11/14/2013 06:36 PM, shouldbe q931 wrote:

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM, shouldbe q931 <[email protected]> wrote:

...

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Hmm, does anything show up in the console as far as errors?

Thanks, Caleb

Hi Caleb,

Apologies, should have checked first, there are two errors in the console

[17:18:33.222] Error: Script error for: jQueryNoConflict http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#scripterror @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/amd/require.js:1 [17:18:40.116] Error: Load timeout for modules: xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe_unnormalized2,xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#timeout @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/amd/require.js:1

Cheers

The above appears to have missed a bit of the error

GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/ssx/XWiki/spinner.gif 404 (Not Found) prototype.js:8 GET https://xwiki.domain.com/jQueryNoConflict.js 404 (Not Found) require.js:1 Uncaught Error: Script error for: jQueryNoConflict http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#scripterror require.js:1 Uncaught Error: Load timeout for modules: xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe_unnormalized2,xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#timeout

I'm not sure why it's looking for jQueryNoConflict.js in the root of the webserver ? I've checked on the server, and jQueryNoConflict.js does not exist on the server as a file.

A spinner.gif exist in /webapps/xwiki/resources/icons/xwiki/spinner.gif

I also don't understand the xwiki/bin path in the above, I don't have a /bin

I'm well out of my depth with this and would appreciate any assistance.

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Fixed in version 1.1 of the extension. Thanks, Caleb On 11/15/2013 03:33 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:

Hi Caleb,

I think the issue is that the 'jQueryNoConflict' module defined inline in javascript.vm

define('jQueryNoConflict', ['jquery'], function($) { $.noConflict(); return $; });

is not available to the iframe that this extension creates. It's available only to the 'mother' page, which includes the iframe. If you inspect the iframe you can see that it loads 3 scripts:

/xwiki/resources/js/amd/require.js /xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs.js /jQueryNoConflict.js

The first too are fine. The last one is obviously wrong. Any idea how to fix this?

Thanks, Marius

On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 7:53 AM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> wrote:

...

I think at this point it's probably best to go ahead and report a bug on jira.xwiki.org. This looks like it is just not performing correctly since some changes in the underlying platform, I sincerely apologize and appreciate your help on the matter.

Thanks, Caleb

On 11/14/2013 06:36 PM, shouldbe q931 wrote:

...

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:20 PM, shouldbe q931 <[email protected]> wrote:

...

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 3:15 PM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Hmm, does anything show up in the console as far as errors?

Thanks, Caleb

Hi Caleb,

Apologies, should have checked first, there are two errors in the console

[17:18:33.222] Error: Script error for: jQueryNoConflict http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#scripterror @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/amd/require.js:1 [17:18:40.116] Error: Load timeout for modules: xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe_unnormalized2,xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#timeout @ https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/resources/js/amd/require.js:1

Cheers

The above appears to have missed a bit of the error

GET https://xwiki.domain.com/xwiki/bin/ssx/XWiki/spinner.gif 404 (Not Found) prototype.js:8 GET https://xwiki.domain.com/jQueryNoConflict.js 404 (Not Found) require.js:1 Uncaught Error: Script error for: jQueryNoConflict http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#scripterror require.js:1 Uncaught Error: Load timeout for modules: xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe_unnormalized2,xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/iframe!xwiki/bin/download/XWiki/TableEdit/jquery%2Dsheet%2Damd.zip/jqs@jquery-sheet-iframe http://requirejs.org/docs/errors.html#timeout

I'm not sure why it's looking for jQueryNoConflict.js in the root of the webserver ? I've checked on the server, and jQueryNoConflict.js does not exist on the server as a file.

A spinner.gif exist in /webapps/xwiki/resources/icons/xwiki/spinner.gif

I also don't understand the xwiki/bin path in the above, I don't have a /bin

I'm well out of my depth with this and would appreciate any assistance.

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