Hi, On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

"Simple/Advanced" mode definition

http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/PageEditing#HSimpleandAdva...

After discussing Action Menu Improvements part 2 (

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal2 ) we changed the position of "Access rights" from "Edit" submenu to "Page" submenu. Until now, changes done by "Advanced" mode were located only in "Edit" submenu.

+1

A. The question is: what other items do you think should go under "Simple"/"Advanced" mode? Do we keep the same items? Do we add more? Do we simplify?

I would say the same.

B. Another idea is to change "Simple"/"Advanced" mode into "User"/"Developer"/"Admin" in the structure we also have the documentation written.

+1 for the modes update. I would also add that User mode should not have the "WIKI: xwiki" if this is a single instance (most of the time) because that is just confusing.

Obs1. The problem with menus is that they don't rely only on these modes, but also on the rights the users has to do some actions (like edit, delete, admin).

Obs2. The ideal way for this topic would be to let administrators decide what goes into what mode, but even like that, we should still have some standards values for the modes.

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Hi Caty, sorry for the delay answering, I got reminded of this email while working on something else and thought I'll give my 2 cents as well. On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 08:47, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi,

"Simple/Advanced" mode definition

http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/PageEditing#HSimpleandAdva...

After discussing Action Menu Improvements part 2 (

http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal2 ) we changed the position of "Access rights" from "Edit" submenu to "Page" submenu. Until now, changes done by "Advanced" mode were located only in "Edit" submenu.

A. The question is: what other items do you think should go under "Simple"/"Advanced" mode? Do we keep the same items? Do we add more? Do we simplify?

I think Simple/Advanced was a good first step but that it doesn't match actual use of XWiki closely enough. The distinction in 3 tiers (User/Admin/Developer) sounds better to me in this regard. B. Another idea is to change "Simple"/"Advanced" mode into

"User"/"Developer"/"Admin" in the structure we also have the documentation written.

After thinking a bit about it, I think this would be the best option. I think the distinction should be as follows : - User: as little options as possible (maybe even less than right now -> what's the point of letting users do a page XAR export when they can't import it or view page source when they're sent straight to WYSIWYG edition?) - Admin: a bit more choice (wiki/WYSIWYG/XAR export) and access to wiki / space admin and page access rights - Developer: everything Obs1. The problem with menus is that they don't rely only on these modes,

but also on the rights the users has to do some actions (like edit, delete, admin).

You're right about this, but I don't think those are incompatible. You can say that delete / rename should be displayed to User unless they don't have the right to do those actions. Obs2. The ideal way for this topic would be to let administrators decide

what goes into what mode, but even like that, we should still have some standards values for the modes.

Having 3 modes with standard values would be a great start. We can always see about making this configurable later. I also agree with Thibaut on making the top line more understandable, especially in single-wiki mode or when the user isn't expected to know that her wiki is part of a farm -> we should find a way to make the "wiki" menu easier to understand. Thanks,

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