I think if even google dropped support to IE8(in their apps), why would you maintain it? Besides, no one wants to make thousands of hacks just to support an old browser. And Xwiki is not just a wiki. Is a 2.0 Enterprise Wiki. IE8 doesn't sound well with 2.0 hahaha. Btw, 4 years is a lot of time. Who has a 4 year computer today? You lost some old browser users, but you win some android, iPad and Iphone users. That's is what I think as a user and a html developer. Thank you =). 2014-03-11 11:35 GMT-03:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>:

The current supported browser list is available here http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy

Thanks, Caty

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote:

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Hi everyone,

For the 6.x cycle ( http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome) we plan to develop a new skin Flamingo ( http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ). One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. Currently IE8 doesn't natively support this functionality.

I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how difficult would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).

IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago) IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago) IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago) IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)

Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping the IE8 support.

Thanks, Caty

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Hi Jeremie, What version of XWiki are you using? Do you plan to upgrade to 6.x? 6.x timeframe is by the end of the year (Dec 2014). Do you think you will still be using IE8 next year (I don't know either how IT departments schedule the upgrades)? Thanks, Caty On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET < [email protected]> wrote:

Hello,

Well, not everyone is that lucky :) Currently as you said it's an Enterprise wiki, and some enterprises do not necessarily shine with being up-to-date. Currently in mine our official browser is still IE8. And most of our customers also stick to IE8. In this kind of context there is no solution, except praying that your IT will schedule some upgrade not too far from now. Not saying this is representative of the majority - I have no idea. I hope not.

4 years seem quite old, but in my opinion it's quite sad to see that many web apps have to drop support for so recent browsers versions, due to maintenance costs (though completely understandable). We could have imagined that a responsive js framework could gracefully manage when browser is not responsive (do you remember, when web sites could imagine that you didn't want to activate javascript and still "work" ? :) ). If the intention of these frameworks is to reach everyone everywhere from every device, then it would seem logical to manage every browser ;-) But I must say I'm not sure of what it means, or amount of work that would be needed.

BR, Jeremie

PS: my own computer is more than 4 years old :)

2014-03-11 20:03 GMT+01:00 Leonardo Kodato <[email protected]>:

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I think if even google dropped support to IE8(in their apps), why would you maintain it? Besides, no one wants to make thousands of hacks just to support an old browser. And Xwiki is not just a wiki. Is a 2.0 Enterprise Wiki. IE8 doesn't sound well with 2.0 hahaha.

Btw, 4 years is a lot of time. Who has a 4 year computer today? You lost some old browser users, but you win some android, iPad and Iphone users.

That's is what I think as a user and a html developer.

Thank you =).

2014-03-11 11:35 GMT-03:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected] :

...

The current supported browser list is available here http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy

Thanks, Caty

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi everyone,

For the 6.x cycle ( http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome) we plan to develop a new skin Flamingo ( http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ). One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. Currently IE8 doesn't natively support this functionality.

I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how difficult would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).

IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago) IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago) IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago) IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)

Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping the IE8 support.

Thanks, Caty

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Hi Caty, 2014-03-12 8:03 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]>:

Hi Jeremie,

What version of XWiki are you using? Do you plan to upgrade to 6.x? 6.x timeframe is by the end of the year (Dec 2014). Do you think you will still be using IE8 next year (I don't know either how IT departments schedule the upgrades)?

Well I currently use both 4.x (prod) and 5.x (tests). Usually I wait for several iterations (near the end of an xwiki cycle or even far after the end) to put a version in prod. I upgrade test server, when I think about it or have some time to do so :) I think my next move will be to upgrade prod to last 5.x version available, and there are chances that I stick on it for a long time. For IE8 I really don't know when it may be upgraded by our IT. Currently we can upgrade by ourselves, but as we need to support IE8 on our own products right now, it's somewhat easier to stick with it on our computers. Obviously, I don't mean in any way that you should stick with IE8, just providing my own feedback :) If you have to I'll adapt to the choice. I think there's also a difference, between stopping support of a specific browser version (and usually, there are chances that issues appear only later, and that you can still use old version with almost no impact for some time), and moving to a new technology or architecture that implies a complete break of usability on old versions. Here I suspect it may be more of the second kind. Gmail does not support IE8, but for the time being, the only impact I saw personnally, is a message with a recommendation to upgrade my browser version ...

Thanks, Caty

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Jeremie BOUSQUET < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Hello,

Well, not everyone is that lucky :) Currently as you said it's an Enterprise wiki, and some enterprises do not necessarily shine with being up-to-date. Currently in mine our official browser is still IE8. And most of our customers also stick to IE8. In this kind of context there is no solution, except praying that your IT will schedule some upgrade not too far from now. Not saying this is representative of the majority - I have no idea. I hope not.

4 years seem quite old, but in my opinion it's quite sad to see that many web apps have to drop support for so recent browsers versions, due to maintenance costs (though completely understandable). We could have imagined that a responsive js framework could gracefully manage when browser is not responsive (do you remember, when web sites could imagine that you didn't want to activate javascript and still "work" ? :) ). If the intention of these frameworks is to reach everyone everywhere from every device, then it would seem logical to manage every browser ;-) But I must say I'm not sure of what it means, or amount of work that would be needed.

BR, Jeremie

PS: my own computer is more than 4 years old :)

2014-03-11 20:03 GMT+01:00 Leonardo Kodato <[email protected]>:

...

I think if even google dropped support to IE8(in their apps), why would you maintain it? Besides, no one wants to make thousands of hacks just to support an old browser. And Xwiki is not just a wiki. Is a 2.0 Enterprise Wiki. IE8 doesn't sound well with 2.0 hahaha.

Btw, 4 years is a lot of time. Who has a 4 year computer today? You lost some old browser users, but you win some android, iPad and Iphone users.

That's is what I think as a user and a html developer.

Thank you =).

2014-03-11 11:35 GMT-03:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected] :

...

The current supported browser list is available here http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Community/BrowserSupportStrategy

Thanks, Caty

On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi everyone,

For the 6.x cycle ( http://www.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Roadmaps/WebHome) we plan to develop a new skin Flamingo ( http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Skin4x ). One of the advantages of this skin is that is **responsive**. Currently IE8 doesn't natively support this functionality.

I am wondering how many of you are using this browser and how difficult would be upgrade to a newer version of IE (IE10, IE11).

IE8 was released in March 2009 (4 years ago) IE9 - March 2011 (2 years ago) IE10 - Sept 2012 (17 months ago) IE11 - Oct 2013 (4 month ago)

Let me know of any other problems that could prevent us from dropping the IE8 support.

Thanks, Caty

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