[xwiki-users] Confused by Workspaces, SubWikis, Wikis, etc...
Hi, I've been using XWiki within my team at work and would like to expand adoption of it across different groups. While doing research I was thoroughly confused by the differences between Workspaces, SubWikis, Wikis, multi-tenancy, etc... What I would like to do is be able to run one instance of XWiki and be able to create separate Wikis (in different schemas). Within each Wiki I'd like to allow users to create their own Workspaces (I think I'm using that correctly). Example: - IT Wiki -- Bob's Workspace -- Alice's Workspace - Finance Wiki -- Joe's Workspace -- Jane's Workspace I want to be able to keep the users separated between the IT Wiki and Finance Wiki but allow shared users for the Workspaces under each of those Wikis. I think installing the Wiki Manager Application and Workspace Application should do the trick. However, it sounds like Wiki Manager is the old way of doing it and it's being deprecated. Thanks in advance for any feedback.
On 04 Nov 2013, at 04:42, Ghanshyam Patel <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I've been using XWiki within my team at work and would like to expand adoption of it across different groups. While doing research I was thoroughly confused by the differences between Workspaces, SubWikis, Wikis, multi-tenancy, etc…
They all mean roughyl the same thing and starting with 5.2 we’re merging all concepts together. We’re removing the terminology “workspace” in favor of “wiki” (or “subwiki”).
What I would like to do is be able to run one instance of XWiki and be able to create separate Wikis (in different schemas). Within each Wiki I'd like to allow users to create their own Workspaces (I think I'm using that correctly).
Nope ;) A workspace is a subwiki with no local users (only global users).
Example: - IT Wiki -- Bob's Workspace -- Alice's Workspace
- Finance Wiki -- Joe's Workspace -- Jane's Workspace
I want to be able to keep the users separated between the IT Wiki and Finance Wiki but allow shared users for the Workspaces under each of those Wikis.
I think installing the Wiki Manager Application and Workspace Application should do the trick. However, it sounds like Wiki Manager is the old way of doing it and it's being deprecated.
These are installed by default starting with 5.2. There’s no notion of nested wikis though so what you wish to do is not possible. What you can do is have a flat structure with 4 wikis: - Bob IT wiki - Alice IT wiki - Joe Finance wiki - Jane Finance wiki or have 2 wikis with spaces: - IT wiki — Bob's **space** — Alice's **space** - Finance wiki — Joe's **space** — Jane's **space” You should really use XWiki 5.2 (and 5.3 when it’s out since we’re currently working on this topic to improve it), it makes all this simpler. Now yes you’re right in that you can install Wiki Manager Application. Workspace Application won’t help you since it create subwikis that use global users only. Thanks -Vincent
Thanks for the information Vincent. It's cleared up some confusion. I thought I was on the latest XWiki but looks like I'm on 5.1. I'll work on upgrading to 5.2. In 5.2 are wikis stored in the same schema like workspaces or does XWiki create a different schema for each? It sounds like it'll still use the same architecture as workspaces but just renamed to wiki.
From what I understand, it's not possible to run 2 Wikis on the same instance with local users for each Wiki?
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 04 Nov 2013, at 04:42, Ghanshyam Patel <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I've been using XWiki within my team at work and would like to expand adoption of it across different groups. While doing research I was thoroughly confused by the differences between Workspaces, SubWikis, Wikis, multi-tenancy, etc…
They all mean roughyl the same thing and starting with 5.2 we’re merging all concepts together. We’re removing the terminology “workspace” in favor of “wiki” (or “subwiki”).
What I would like to do is be able to run one instance of XWiki and be able to create separate Wikis (in different schemas). Within each Wiki I'd like to allow users to create their own Workspaces (I think I'm using that correctly).
Nope ;) A workspace is a subwiki with no local users (only global users).
Example: - IT Wiki -- Bob's Workspace -- Alice's Workspace
- Finance Wiki -- Joe's Workspace -- Jane's Workspace
I want to be able to keep the users separated between the IT Wiki and Finance Wiki but allow shared users for the Workspaces under each of those Wikis.
I think installing the Wiki Manager Application and Workspace Application should do the trick. However, it sounds like Wiki Manager is the old way of doing it and it's being deprecated.
These are installed by default starting with 5.2.
There’s no notion of nested wikis though so what you wish to do is not possible.
What you can do is have a flat structure with 4 wikis:
- Bob IT wiki - Alice IT wiki - Joe Finance wiki - Jane Finance wiki
or have 2 wikis with spaces:
- IT wiki — Bob's **space** — Alice's **space** - Finance wiki — Joe's **space** — Jane's **space”
You should really use XWiki 5.2 (and 5.3 when it’s out since we’re currently working on this topic to improve it), it makes all this simpler.
Now yes you’re right in that you can install Wiki Manager Application. Workspace Application won’t help you since it create subwikis that use global users only.
Thanks -Vincent
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Hi, you hit just one of the items we're working on trying to make easier to understand and use. This means that right now things are a bit in flux, and not quite finished. Right now you can run 2 wikis on the same instance with local users per wiki. We're working so that this is still possible (and easier to achieve!) by the end of the XWiki 5.x cycle, which will be XWiki Enterprise 5.5. That release is scheduled for early next year, so if you can wait until then you'll be able to avoid a couple upgrades. Best, Guillaume On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Ghanshyam Patel <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks for the information Vincent. It's cleared up some confusion.
I thought I was on the latest XWiki but looks like I'm on 5.1. I'll work on upgrading to 5.2. In 5.2 are wikis stored in the same schema like workspaces or does XWiki create a different schema for each? It sounds like it'll still use the same architecture as workspaces but just renamed to wiki.
From what I understand, it's not possible to run 2 Wikis on the same instance with local users for each Wiki?
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On 04 Nov 2013, at 04:42, Ghanshyam Patel <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I've been using XWiki within my team at work and would like to expand adoption of it across different groups. While doing research I was thoroughly confused by the differences between Workspaces, SubWikis, Wikis, multi-tenancy, etc…
They all mean roughyl the same thing and starting with 5.2 we’re merging all concepts together. We’re removing the terminology “workspace” in
favor
of “wiki” (or “subwiki”).
What I would like to do is be able to run one instance of XWiki and be able to create separate Wikis (in different schemas). Within each Wiki I'd like to allow users to create their own Workspaces (I think I'm using that correctly).
Nope ;) A workspace is a subwiki with no local users (only global users).
Example: - IT Wiki -- Bob's Workspace -- Alice's Workspace
- Finance Wiki -- Joe's Workspace -- Jane's Workspace
I want to be able to keep the users separated between the IT Wiki and Finance Wiki but allow shared users for the Workspaces under each of those Wikis.
I think installing the Wiki Manager Application and Workspace Application should do the trick. However, it sounds like Wiki Manager is the old way of doing it and it's being deprecated.
These are installed by default starting with 5.2.
There’s no notion of nested wikis though so what you wish to do is not possible.
What you can do is have a flat structure with 4 wikis:
- Bob IT wiki - Alice IT wiki - Joe Finance wiki - Jane Finance wiki
or have 2 wikis with spaces:
- IT wiki — Bob's **space** — Alice's **space** - Finance wiki — Joe's **space** — Jane's **space”
You should really use XWiki 5.2 (and 5.3 when it’s out since we’re currently working on this topic to improve it), it makes all this simpler.
Now yes you’re right in that you can install Wiki Manager Application. Workspace Application won’t help you since it create subwikis that use global users only.
Thanks -Vincent
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Hi, Guillaume Понедельник, 4 ноября 2013, 18:00 +01:00 от Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]>:
Hi,
you hit just one of the items we're working on trying to make easier to understand and use. This means that right now things are a bit in flux, and not quite finished.
Right now you can run 2 wikis on the same instance with local users per wiki. We're working so that this is still possible (and easier to achieve!) by the end of the XWiki 5.x cycle, which will be XWiki Enterprise 5.5. That release is scheduled for early next year, so if you can wait until then you'll be able to avoid a couple upgrades. Does it mean that Workspace Manager and Wiki manager will be combined in one application?
Best,
Guillaume
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Ghanshyam Patel < [email protected] > wrote:
Thanks for the information Vincent. It's cleared up some confusion.
I thought I was on the latest XWiki but looks like I'm on 5.1. I'll work on upgrading to 5.2. In 5.2 are wikis stored in the same schema like workspaces or does XWiki create a different schema for each? It sounds like it'll still use the same architecture as workspaces but just renamed to wiki.
From what I understand, it's not possible to run 2 Wikis on the same instance with local users for each Wiki?
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Vincent Massol < [email protected] > wrote:
On 04 Nov 2013, at 04:42, Ghanshyam Patel < [email protected] > wrote:
Hi,
I've been using XWiki within my team at work and would like to expand adoption of it across different groups. While doing research I was thoroughly confused by the differences between Workspaces, SubWikis, Wikis, multi-tenancy, etc…
They all mean roughyl the same thing and starting with 5.2 we’re merging all concepts together. We’re removing the terminology “workspace” in
favor
of “wiki” (or “subwiki”).
What I would like to do is be able to run one instance of XWiki and be able to create separate Wikis (in different schemas). Within each Wiki I'd like to allow users to create their own Workspaces (I think I'm using that correctly).
Nope ;) A workspace is a subwiki with no local users (only global users).
Example: - IT Wiki -- Bob's Workspace -- Alice's Workspace
- Finance Wiki -- Joe's Workspace -- Jane's Workspace
I want to be able to keep the users separated between the IT Wiki and Finance Wiki but allow shared users for the Workspaces under each of those Wikis.
I think installing the Wiki Manager Application and Workspace Application should do the trick. However, it sounds like Wiki Manager is the old way of doing it and it's being deprecated.
These are installed by default starting with 5.2.
There’s no notion of nested wikis though so what you wish to do is not possible.
What you can do is have a flat structure with 4 wikis:
- Bob IT wiki - Alice IT wiki - Joe Finance wiki - Jane Finance wiki
or have 2 wikis with spaces:
- IT wiki — Bob's **space** — Alice's **space** - Finance wiki — Joe's **space** — Jane's **space”
You should really use XWiki 5.2 (and 5.3 when it’s out since we’re currently working on this topic to improve it), it makes all this simpler.
Now yes you’re right in that you can install Wiki Manager Application. Workspace Application won’t help you since it create subwikis that use global users only.
Thanks -Vincent
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Kind regards, Dmitry
Hi, On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Dmitry Bakbardin <[email protected]>wrote:
Hi, Guillaume
Понедельник, 4 ноября 2013, 18:00 +01:00 от Guillaume Lerouge < [email protected]>:
Hi,
you hit just one of the items we're working on trying to make easier to understand and use. This means that right now things are a bit in flux, and not quite finished.
Right now you can run 2 wikis on the same instance with local users per wiki. We're working so that this is still possible (and easier to achieve!) by the end of the XWiki 5.x cycle, which will be XWiki Enterprise 5.5. That release is scheduled for early next year, so if you can wait until then you'll be able to avoid a couple upgrades. Does it mean that Workspace Manager and Wiki manager will be combined in one application?
Yes. See the proposal here: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/MultiWiki Especially the part about wiki creation here: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/CreateWikiImproveme... Thanks, Guillaume
Best,
Guillaume
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 5:15 PM, Ghanshyam Patel < [email protected] >
wrote:
Thanks for the information Vincent. It's cleared up some confusion.
I thought I was on the latest XWiki but looks like I'm on 5.1. I'll
work
on upgrading to 5.2. In 5.2 are wikis stored in the same schema like workspaces or does XWiki create a different schema for each? It sounds like it'll still use the same architecture as workspaces but just renamed to wiki.
From what I understand, it's not possible to run 2 Wikis on the same instance with local users for each Wiki?
On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:15 AM, Vincent Massol < [email protected] > wrote:
On 04 Nov 2013, at 04:42, Ghanshyam Patel < [email protected] > wrote:
Hi,
I've been using XWiki within my team at work and would like to
expand
adoption of it across different groups. While doing research I was thoroughly confused by the differences between Workspaces, SubWikis, Wikis, multi-tenancy, etc…
They all mean roughyl the same thing and starting with 5.2 we’re merging all concepts together. We’re removing the terminology “workspace” in favor of “wiki” (or “subwiki”).
What I would like to do is be able to run one instance of XWiki and be able to create separate Wikis (in different schemas). Within each Wiki I'd like to allow users to create their own Workspaces (I think I'm using that correctly).
Nope ;) A workspace is a subwiki with no local users (only global users).
Example: - IT Wiki -- Bob's Workspace -- Alice's Workspace
- Finance Wiki -- Joe's Workspace -- Jane's Workspace
I want to be able to keep the users separated between the IT Wiki and Finance Wiki but allow shared users for the Workspaces under each of those Wikis.
I think installing the Wiki Manager Application and Workspace Application should do the trick. However, it sounds like Wiki Manager is the old way of doing it and it's being deprecated.
These are installed by default starting with 5.2.
There’s no notion of nested wikis though so what you wish to do is not possible.
What you can do is have a flat structure with 4 wikis:
- Bob IT wiki - Alice IT wiki - Joe Finance wiki - Jane Finance wiki
or have 2 wikis with spaces:
- IT wiki — Bob's **space** — Alice's **space** - Finance wiki — Joe's **space** — Jane's **space”
You should really use XWiki 5.2 (and 5.3 when it’s out since we’re currently working on this topic to improve it), it makes all this simpler.
Now yes you’re right in that you can install Wiki Manager Application. Workspace Application won’t help you since it create subwikis that use global users only.
Thanks -Vincent
_______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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Kind regards,
Dmitry _______________________________________________ users mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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