Hi Caleb, Ok I've played with it, very cool! :) Some next steps: * Make it a real extension installable with the Extension Manager: ** Move the project to xwiki-contrib and release a first 1.0 version of the JAR and XAR in the xwiki maven repo for contrib Slightly later: * Add an Extension Point for the Edit menu and transform the JS Skin extension into a UI Extension Of course in term of the editor itself there are a few things to improve. Some ideas: * Release the lock only when all the editors have either cancelled or saved the document so that someone who edits in wiki mode gets a lock dialog box if someone is still editing it * See who's editing + colors to differentiate users * Use a textarea similar to the wiki editor one (no line number, same font, etc) Thanks -Vincent On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Caleb,

What a nice morning treat! :)

I'll check it out later today.

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi guys,

I just finished repackaging the realtime collaborative editor which was developed as part of wiki/3.0. It is now installable as an extension. It's still a bit rough around the edges but it's pretty safe to play with so everyone is invited to give it a try.

* Multiple users can edit the same document at the same time and their changes are merged in real time.

* The "RealTime Wiki" editor is an option along side WYSIWYG and Wiki so it won't break existing editors.

* Easy installation by copying a .jar file and importing a .xar file, removal is simply deleting 2 XDocuments.

http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RealTime+Wiki+Editor

Please feel free to share your experiences in the mailing list, on the extension wiki page and on the github bug tracker.

Thanks, Caleb

Also a screenshot on the extension page, so that we can advertise it on twitter :) 2012/10/17 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>

Hi Caleb,

This is great progress ! Way to go.

Some improvements, sorted by priority from my POV:

- Support real-time editing on an object Textarea field - The current textarea does not allow to do a select All of the text - XEM compatibility either as an extension for the global wiki, or as a template based install (right now you have to install the XAR in each wiki) - Install through extension manager - See who's editing - Auto-saving - Handling merging if there has been a concurrent editing - Support a live switch from wiki editing to real-time editing

Ludovic

2012/10/17 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>

...

Hi Caleb,

Ok I've played with it, very cool! :)

Some next steps: * Make it a real extension installable with the Extension Manager: ** Move the project to xwiki-contrib and release a first 1.0 version of the JAR and XAR in the xwiki maven repo for contrib

Slightly later: * Add an Extension Point for the Edit menu and transform the JS Skin extension into a UI Extension

Of course in term of the editor itself there are a few things to improve. Some ideas: * Release the lock only when all the editors have either cancelled or saved the document so that someone who edits in wiki mode gets a lock dialog box if someone is still editing it * See who's editing + colors to differentiate users * Use a textarea similar to the wiki editor one (no line number, same font, etc)

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi Caleb,

What a nice morning treat! :)

I'll check it out later today.

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Caleb James DeLisle < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi guys,

I just finished repackaging the realtime collaborative editor which was developed as part of wiki/3.0. It is now installable as an extension. It's still a bit rough around the edges but it's pretty safe to play with so everyone is invited to give it a try.

* Multiple users can edit the same document at the same time and their changes are merged in real time.

* The "RealTime Wiki" editor is an option along side WYSIWYG and Wiki so it won't break existing editors.

* Easy installation by copying a .jar file and importing a .xar file, removal is simply deleting 2 XDocuments.

http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RealTime+Wiki+Editor

...

Please feel free to share your experiences in the mailing list, on the

extension wiki page and on the

...

github bug tracker.

Thanks, Caleb

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Found and fixed, thanks for reporting it. I didn't notice that it was being pulled in because the WYSIWYG worked on chromium despite it. Thanks, Caleb On 10/17/2012 06:53 AM, Ludovic Dubost wrote:

Hi again,

There is a serious bug which makes the wysiwyg editor fail because the Rt code loads on wysiwyg.

With the code in the JS Extension

var isRealtimeMode = function() { return (window.location.hash == '#RealTime'); };

#if ("$!request.lazy" != "true") if (isRealtimeMode()) { Rt.load(); }

It allows to avoid loading conflicting code when in wysiwyg.

Ludovic

2012/10/17 Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]>

...

Hi Caleb,

This is great progress ! Way to go.

Some improvements, sorted by priority from my POV:

- Support real-time editing on an object Textarea field - The current textarea does not allow to do a select All of the text - XEM compatibility either as an extension for the global wiki, or as a template based install (right now you have to install the XAR in each wiki) - Install through extension manager - See who's editing - Auto-saving - Handling merging if there has been a concurrent editing - Support a live switch from wiki editing to real-time editing

Ludovic

2012/10/17 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>

...

Hi Caleb,

Ok I've played with it, very cool! :)

Some next steps: * Make it a real extension installable with the Extension Manager: ** Move the project to xwiki-contrib and release a first 1.0 version of the JAR and XAR in the xwiki maven repo for contrib

Slightly later: * Add an Extension Point for the Edit menu and transform the JS Skin extension into a UI Extension

Of course in term of the editor itself there are a few things to improve. Some ideas: * Release the lock only when all the editors have either cancelled or saved the document so that someone who edits in wiki mode gets a lock dialog box if someone is still editing it * See who's editing + colors to differentiate users * Use a textarea similar to the wiki editor one (no line number, same font, etc)

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi Caleb,

What a nice morning treat! :)

I'll check it out later today.

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Caleb James DeLisle < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi guys,

I just finished repackaging the realtime collaborative editor which was developed as part of wiki/3.0. It is now installable as an extension. It's still a bit rough around the edges but it's pretty safe to play with so everyone is invited to give it a try.

* Multiple users can edit the same document at the same time and their changes are merged in real time.

* The "RealTime Wiki" editor is an option along side WYSIWYG and Wiki so it won't break existing editors.

* Easy installation by copying a .jar file and importing a .xar file, removal is simply deleting 2 XDocuments.

http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RealTime+Wiki+Editor

...

Please feel free to share your experiences in the mailing list, on the

extension wiki page and on the

...

github bug tracker.

Thanks, Caleb

_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

-- Ludovic Dubost Founder and CEO Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost

Hi, Thanks for the complement. I just updated it and fixed issue #1. Thanks for reporting it. Somehow showing who else is editing, showing where they are editing in the document and allowing the user to spawn a chat window with other editors on the page are all interesting possibilities. Right now I think the thing to do is decide where there is the most bang for your buck in terms of feature value and get an idea of what's most natural for the user. Thanks, Caleb On 10/19/2012 07:59 AM, Ryszard Łach wrote:

Great work!

It looks like good starting point to give xwiki the main (at least for me) feature, that makes googledoc sometimes more suitable for collaborative editing. It would be really great, if your editor would show somehow, where the other editor (person) is now, where is his cursor. Maybe a highlight (the whole line) showing the other's cursor placement? Do you plan to work on such improvements?

R.

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On 10/17/2012 06:11 AM, Ludovic Dubost wrote:

Hi Caleb,

This is great progress ! Way to go.

Some improvements, sorted by priority from my POV:

- Support real-time editing on an object Textarea field Not sure I understand this, you mean for inline edit? if so, there will of course be issues with input fields, checkboxes, and radio bubbles.

- The current textarea does not allow to do a select All of the text Added an issue for select all with ctrl+a as well as save (alt+s) and save+continue (shift+alt+s) https://github.com/cjdelisle/xwiki-platform-realtime/issues/3

- XEM compatibility either as an extension for the global wiki, or as a template based install (right now you have to install the XAR in each wiki) https://github.com/cjdelisle/xwiki-platform-realtime/issues/2

- Install through extension manager https://github.com/cjdelisle/xwiki-platform-realtime/issues/4 easy to do as long as XEM support still requires manual intervention

I think the rest of these issues fall in the "refactor realtime editor" category. I started a draft here: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/RealTimeEditor So we can talk about what is best for the next generation of the editor. Thanks, Caleb

- See who's editing - Auto-saving - Handling merging if there has been a concurrent editing - Support a live switch from wiki editing to real-time editing

Ludovic

2012/10/17 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>

...

Hi Caleb,

Ok I've played with it, very cool! :)

Some next steps: * Make it a real extension installable with the Extension Manager: ** Move the project to xwiki-contrib and release a first 1.0 version of the JAR and XAR in the xwiki maven repo for contrib

Slightly later: * Add an Extension Point for the Edit menu and transform the JS Skin extension into a UI Extension

Of course in term of the editor itself there are a few things to improve. Some ideas: * Release the lock only when all the editors have either cancelled or saved the document so that someone who edits in wiki mode gets a lock dialog box if someone is still editing it * See who's editing + colors to differentiate users * Use a textarea similar to the wiki editor one (no line number, same font, etc)

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi Caleb,

What a nice morning treat! :)

I'll check it out later today.

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Caleb James DeLisle < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi guys,

I just finished repackaging the realtime collaborative editor which was developed as part of wiki/3.0. It is now installable as an extension. It's still a bit rough around the edges but it's pretty safe to play with so everyone is invited to give it a try.

* Multiple users can edit the same document at the same time and their changes are merged in real time.

* The "RealTime Wiki" editor is an option along side WYSIWYG and Wiki so it won't break existing editors.

* Easy installation by copying a .jar file and importing a .xar file, removal is simply deleting 2 XDocuments.

http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RealTime+Wiki+Editor

...

Please feel free to share your experiences in the mailing list, on the

extension wiki page and on the

...

github bug tracker.

Thanks, Caleb

_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

2012/10/23 Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]>

On 10/17/2012 06:11 AM, Ludovic Dubost wrote:

...

Hi Caleb,

This is great progress ! Way to go.

Some improvements, sorted by priority from my POV:

- Support real-time editing on an object Textarea field Not sure I understand this, you mean for inline edit? if so, there will of course be issues with input fields, checkboxes, and radio bubbles.

While of course it would be interesting to handle every form field of an inline edit, this is not critical. What's interesting is to be able to launch a realtime session on a textarea field only. Now there is an issue since we don't have the same options to switch between modes on a textarea field, which is configured to go to Wysiwyg or Wiki based on configuration. Even the Wysiwyg field does not have the "Source" switch (which is a bit of an issue as sometimes you would need to switch to source). But this is a separate issue. We can do one of the following: 1/ Add a button to launch a realtime session which would be able to unload the wysiwyg (if present) and launch realtime 2/ Support parameters that would switch to realtime. Not we already have the "xeditmode=text" parameter which force loading wiki instead of wysiwyg. So you could just make sure that http://.../inline/...?xeditmode=text#Realtime would launch realtime on the first textarea field (or even on all fields). Ludovic

...

- The current textarea does not allow to do a select All of the text Added an issue for select all with ctrl+a as well as save (alt+s) and save+continue (shift+alt+s) https://github.com/cjdelisle/xwiki-platform-realtime/issues/3

...

- XEM compatibility either as an extension for the global wiki, or as a template based install (right now you have to install the XAR in each wiki) https://github.com/cjdelisle/xwiki-platform-realtime/issues/2

...

- Install through extension manager https://github.com/cjdelisle/xwiki-platform-realtime/issues/4 easy to do as long as XEM support still requires manual intervention

I think the rest of these issues fall in the "refactor realtime editor" category. I started a draft here: http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/RealTimeEditor So we can talk about what is best for the next generation of the editor.

Thanks, Caleb

...

- See who's editing - Auto-saving - Handling merging if there has been a concurrent editing - Support a live switch from wiki editing to real-time editing

Ludovic

2012/10/17 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>

...

Hi Caleb,

Ok I've played with it, very cool! :)

Some next steps: * Make it a real extension installable with the Extension Manager: ** Move the project to xwiki-contrib and release a first 1.0 version of the JAR and XAR in the xwiki maven repo for contrib

Slightly later: * Add an Extension Point for the Edit menu and transform the JS Skin extension into a UI Extension

Of course in term of the editor itself there are a few things to improve. Some ideas: * Release the lock only when all the editors have either cancelled or saved the document so that someone who edits in wiki mode gets a lock dialog box if someone is still editing it * See who's editing + colors to differentiate users * Use a textarea similar to the wiki editor one (no line number, same font, etc)

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi Caleb,

What a nice morning treat! :)

I'll check it out later today.

Thanks -Vincent

On Oct 17, 2012, at 7:12 AM, Caleb James DeLisle < [email protected]> wrote:

...

Hi guys,

I just finished repackaging the realtime collaborative editor which was developed as part of wiki/3.0. It is now installable as an extension. It's still a bit rough around the edges but it's pretty safe to play with so everyone is invited to give it a try.

* Multiple users can edit the same document at the same time and their changes are merged in real time.

* The "RealTime Wiki" editor is an option along side WYSIWYG and Wiki so it won't break existing editors.

* Easy installation by copying a .jar file and importing a .xar file, removal is simply deleting 2 XDocuments.

http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RealTime+Wiki+Editor

...

...

...

Please feel free to share your experiences in the mailing list, on the

extension wiki page and on the

...

github bug tracker.

Thanks, Caleb

_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs

-- Ludovic Dubost Founder and CEO Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost

I agree. I'd fill a feature request on jira, but I'm not sure what project should I fill it against.... maybe that's also the reason for Caleb to use github? R. On 23.10.2012 09:19, Ludovic Dubost wrote:

Just a quick. You seem to introduce a practice to use the github tracker instead of xwiki.org jira's

Not sure it's a good thing. I'm sure Vincent will agree

Ludovic

Envoyé de mon iPhone

Le 23 oct. 2012 à 04:17, Caleb James DeLisle <[email protected]> a écrit :

...

One other thing, please report the features which you want and what you imagine as best on the github tracker, it's easier to close an issue as "won't fix" than it is to remember an important issue which nobody wrote down ;)

Thanks Caleb

On 10/22/2012 10:14 PM, Caleb James DeLisle wrote:

...

Hi,

Thanks for the complement.

I just updated it and fixed issue #1. Thanks for reporting it. Somehow showing who else is editing, showing where they are editing in the document and allowing the user to spawn a chat window with other editors on the page are all interesting possibilities. Right now I think the thing to do is decide where there is the most bang for your buck in terms of feature value and get an idea of what's most natural for the user.

Thanks, Caleb

On 10/19/2012 07:59 AM, Ryszard Łach wrote:

...

Great work!

It looks like good starting point to give xwiki the main (at least for me) feature, that makes googledoc sometimes more suitable for collaborative editing. It would be really great, if your editor would show somehow, where the other editor (person) is now, where is his cursor. Maybe a highlight (the whole line) showing the other's cursor placement? Do you plan to work on such improvements?

R.

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Caleb, I've installed a brand new 4.3M1 with this editor add-on and configured it. It looks real nice and fast. I was about to announce my installation to my partners but then realized that users need to be advanced otherwise they are offered a single edit link and not a menu. Is there a way to make "advanced" the default? Or allow all users to have all edit options? Or add the real-time editor as a tab? thanks in advance Paul Le 17 oct. 2012 à 07:12, Caleb James DeLisle a écrit :

Hi guys,

I just finished repackaging the realtime collaborative editor which was developed as part of wiki/3.0. It is now installable as an extension. It's still a bit rough around the edges but it's pretty safe to play with so everyone is invited to give it a try.

* Multiple users can edit the same document at the same time and their changes are merged in real time.

* The "RealTime Wiki" editor is an option along side WYSIWYG and Wiki so it won't break existing editors.

* Easy installation by copying a .jar file and importing a .xar file, removal is simply deleting 2 XDocuments.

http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/RealTime+Wiki+Editor

Please feel free to share your experiences in the mailing list, on the extension wiki page and on the github bug tracker.

Thanks, Caleb

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