Hi, I kind of like this proposal. As Jeremie pointed out, we`re more or less back where we started from, with the "improvement" that the "Add" button is now in the middle of the page, hard to miss :) Now, if we also rename "Add" to "Create", the only downside is that awkward feeling of more or less cloning Atlassian's UI. However, it's never a question of UI ownership or copying, but just of what works best in practice and what makes sense. Regarding the addition of yet another "Add" button for page-related entries, as suggested by Denis, I`m not sure it's such a good idea. I never did like modals that much in web interfaces and, AFAIK, they are not recommended that much in HCI (Human-Computer Interaction) classes either, for the simple reason that they are too volatile and are not friendly with the browser's "Back" button. I think we already have enough shortcuts in the 'More Actions' section and the 'Edit' dropdown. Thanks, Eduard On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:20 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Denis Gervalle <[email protected]> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Even better: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/19c9c68f-9dae-440e-ad82-3b8a6cc4623a.jpg
Yes that one looks very cool to me but... :)
I wonder if the name would not be better to be "Create".
Since, I think we still need an another button in the page called "Add" to add to the page: * annotations using modal (you may select, than use the button normally) * comment using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom) * attachement using a modal (without having to scroll to the bottom), * objects using a modal (without necessarily needing to load all existing objects for edit, so a page could show objects without having to manage addition of new ones, AWSeconds)
This way, the extradoc tabs could be hidden, independently of the comment/attachment functionality, and the pain of scrolling to the bottom is removed.
Adding a comment or uploading a file using a modal box is fine. Viewing the comments/attachments in a modal box is not a good idea IMO. The user expects to see the comments/attachments after the content. I don't think we can hide the extradoc tabs. Or maybe I misunderstood.
It give also some logic to those button, with a non-contextual create button, and a contextual add button. We could then allow application to hook both of them depending on their needs.
Another, a bit off-topic, remarks, is that in the More actions, annotation should be isolated, and work like a toggle to display/hide them (including the author filter box and the tooltips), without needing to click a seperate checkbox.
WDYT ?
2014-10-01 10:59 GMT+02:00 Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]>:
So basically, you want: http://tof.canardpc.com/view/25ad0704-563e-41cd-bbf2-72c371912245.jpg
2014-10-01 10:46 GMT+02:00 [email protected] <[email protected]>:
On 1 Oct 2014 at 10:09:00, Guillaume Lerouge ([email protected]
(mailto:
[email protected])) wrote:
Hi,
after discussing with Vincent this morning we came to a suggestion that would fix my issue with the current location of the add button. The idea would be to move the search bar to the left of the menu, and put
the
"Add"
button in its place.
Crude image explanation here: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hrxlj6n6pztigic/AddButton-Search.png
This way the "Add" button is back in a global menu, not in a menu that is contextual to the page, yet it stays very visible. In addition to this, since "Create wiki" is visible only to authorized users, it's not too much in the way. Last item: this solves the issue of having the "Edit" and "More actions" buttons separated from one another.
WDYT?
Sounds the best to me! :) I never really liked the move of the Create button in the page contextual menu (doesn’t make sense to me).
FYI here’s what they have for: - confluence:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/948c4f24-2485-4b33-8452-1e6e1a2d6c74/...
- jira:
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s119/sh/b8803c9b-4ea7-43dd-a2ed-1226080074f2/...
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume ᐧ
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:12 AM, Eduard Moraru wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Guillaume Lerouge > wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:28 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > [email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica)
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> > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > [email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Marius, > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Guillaume Lerouge < > > > > > [email protected]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi again, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 12:39 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi Eddy, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> 2014-09-25 11:59 GMT+02:00 Eduard Moraru < > > [email protected] > > > >: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > Hi devs, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`m not sure if we already have a discussion started on > this > > > > > topic, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > >> in > > > > > > > >> > my opinion, it's long overdue. I see people start being > > > confused > > > > > and > > > > > > > >> > questions like this [1] start to be asked. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > The new location of the Add menu in Flamingo is > problematic > > > IMO > > > > > for > > > > > > a > > > > > > > >> > various number of reasons: > > > > > > > >> > - It falsely gives the impression that it adds > page-related > > > > > entries > > > > > > > (i.e. > > > > > > > >> > related to the current page), due to its current location > > > (i.e. > > > > in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > >> page > > > > > > > >> > content) > > > > > > > >> > - It conflicts with AWM`s "Add new Entry" button > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More generally speaking, this is true for a lot of > livetables. > > We > > > > > would > > > > > > > > need a generic "Create" button to be available when we > > > instantiate > > > > a > > > > > > > > livetable. This could be useful for the wiki index page, for > > the > > > > user > > > > > > > > directory, for all the AWM homepages... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess you like the files live table from the File Manager > then > > :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > . Would be interesting to have such a toolbar (with support for > > > > custom > > > > > > > buttons) before the live table don't you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > IMO the toolbar's functionality is already covered by the > 'Actions' > > > > column > > > > > in the livetable. The only thing missing is the 'Create' > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure this is the same use case. I can see at least 3 reasons > > why: > > > > > > > > > > IMO it's exactly the same use case, the only difference is that the > > Actions > > > column was used as an intermediate solution because we didn't had bulk > > > actions in livetable (the ability to make multiple entity selection > > > (checkbox) - that's why we duplicate the entries on each row). > > > > > > > Great, this means that we agree on the fact that the "Actions" column > > should be replaced by a "Select" column with checkboxes in it, and also > > that Marius' horizontal livetable toolbar should be expanded to be used > in > > a generic fashion by all livetables :-) > > > > Not completely replaced because not all operations/actions can be performed > in bulk fashion. Take the 'edit' action and notice that it is a single > element action compared to 'delete'. > > A different situation exists for the 'rename' action since it is more of a > single element action, but can be presented as a bulk action as well if you > provide some kind of renaming template like '_'. > > In other words, both the bulk operations toolbar and the actions column > have their right place in the livetable IMO and having a checkbox column > like Marius did for the FM livetable looks like the right way to go. > > Thanks, > Eduard > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1/ The "create" button would generate a new entry, whereas the > > "actions" > > > > column is for actions that are related to individual entries that > > already > > > > exist > > > > 2/ The "actions" column can be removed by the livetable creator > > > > 3/ The toolbar would also be useful to handle bulk actions on pages > > such > > > as > > > > "delete selected entries" (as in the file manager) > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Caty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes and yes :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically the button would let the user create a new item of > > the > > > > same > > > > > > > type > > > > > > > > than the items displayed in the livetable. Right now we do > this > > > in > > > > an > > > > > > > > ad-hoc fashion, so it would be great to have a generic > > solution. > > > > It's > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > related to the automatic page name generation module (that we > > > don't > > > > > > have > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > the core yet, though there's an extensions doing it > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Guillaume > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > - from my POV, looking at the page from a far, the new > > > location > > > > > > looks > > > > > > > >> > completely randomly selected: > > > > > > > >> > -- It's not on the left/top (as left-to-right language > > > specific > > > > > > brains > > > > > > > >> are > > > > > > > >> > trained to follow) > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not exactly at the top either > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not at the right > > > > > > > >> > -- it's not next to the type of elements it creates (i.e. > > next > > > > to > > > > > > > >> > WIKI/SPACE/PAGE) > > > > > > > >> > -- it basically is almost in the middle of the screen > > > > > > > >> > - etc. (i.e. others that don`t come right now to my mind) > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> Personally, I like the fact that it is located near the Edit > > > > button, > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > >> if it does not concern the current page. Because it groups > the > > > > most > > > > > > > basic > > > > > > > >> and useful actions that you need when you want to > contribute: > > > > EDIT, > > > > > > ADD. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> To me, it makes sense. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > I`d like to open a discussion on this, since it's quite an > > > > > important > > > > > > > >> aspect > > > > > > > >> > of the UI and, due to it's shiny green color (which I like > > > :)), > > > > > it`s > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > >> > to miss. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Is it just me who's resistant to change, or do others see > a > > > > > problem > > > > > > > here > > > > > > > >> > with this as well? > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > Thanks, > > > > > > > >> > Eduard
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