On Jul 21, 2008, at 1:33 PM, [email protected] wrote:
Hi,
I've read the proposal and I like it in general. Nice work!
<roadmap/general ideas> Stepping back a little and talking about roadmaps I think we should eat more our own dogfood, meaning we should use XWatch internally for our needs and find out what's useful for us first. This would be a good process to define what's useful for others too. Personally I'm not using any of the Watch UI right now. All I use is the resulting RSS feed (this one: http://watch.xwiki.com/xwiki/bin/view/WatchCode/PressReviewRss?space=XWikiSA...)
I don't know how others in XWiki are using XWatch but I have the feeling we could learn a lot from that.
I agree.
I think there needs to be some incentive for users to use the tool (the filtering/categorizing part) they'll just use it as a basic RSS aggregator (as I do). I don't have the full answer to that but I can think of several ideas:
1) Its scope could be extended so that it supports different input sources (as discussed previously and also by Guillaume in this thread): a) Mails from mailing lists (this would require difference actions, like "closed discussion", "associate jira issue", etc. b) Documents in a WebDAV store c) XWiki Documents (pages) - This could be a nice way for people to classify/navigate in a wiki.
Still, I would not go for such a high degree of specificity for the various data sources. I would prefer a more universal approach without data source specific handling (potentially not even being aware, at watch application level, about the provenience of an item) and rather design the system as highly customizable (so that these specific actions could be implemented easily as custom extensions).
Definitely. We're talking about the same thing. I'm talking about it at the user level and you're talking about it at the implementation level :)
2) Integration with external tools. For example if I could flag articles directly from my favorite RSS feed readers without having to open XWiki Watch I'd definitely start tagging/filtering. I think this could be done easily by adding HTML at the beginning or end of feeds provided by XWiki Watch. We could add some Flag/Comment links there that would open inline (Javascript - I think most feed readers would support that).
One of these integrations that would enhance the accessibility and operability of watch data is in plan for 1.1 (m1): http://jira.xwiki.org/jira/browse/XWATCH-162 .
I don't think this is the same thing. In that issue it says: "She goes to the XWatch reader and clicks on the "Add Web Bookmark button"". My point is to remove the need to go Watch and still be able to filter/ tag/comment. Thanks -Vincent
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WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
Note that solution 1) a), if done correctly could potentially solve our need for a forum. What I'd like right now from a forum is 2 things: the ability to extract some statistics (namely to list the top 10 contributors) and to tell when a thread is closed or not (it's not closed if the question asked has not been satisfactorily answered). I know we're getting a bit away from the initial Watch idea but I think it could broaden its usage and it would definitely fit in the "organize and categorize information" domain.
On Jul 14, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ★Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi,
The new XWatch User Interface Proposal is available at:
http://watch.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Design/NewUIProposal
I'd be glad to get some feedback either on the list or in comments right on the page. I would also like to thank Anca, Guillaume and Eduard for their feedback and help given so far :)
Thanks, Ecaterina Valica