I'm not trilled about the help modal. We don't use this kind of interaction anywhere else in the wiki. Thanks, Caty On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < [email protected]> wrote:
Some new mock-ups:
With an "?" button after the 3 option buttons:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...
It opens a popup to explain what it is about (text can be improved):
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...
No extra-click to see the state of the watchlist.
Not too cluttered for day-to-day usage.
A new user can still now what these buttons are about thanks to the help button.
Works for desktop and mobiles.
WDYT?
Thanks,
Guillaume
2015-11-03 13:00 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]>:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]
wrote:
Without the configuration area and with some hint text, the area would look like:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/S...
Hints could be added (as suggested by Guillaume) and maybe we could
use a
smaller (non standard) font-size in order to limit its size. Otherwise hitting the configuration anytime you would like to see notifications could be a discomfort.
Depends what is our priority: reading or managing the notifications.
Managing the notifications is one thing. Checking the watch *state* for the current page ("am I watching this page?") is another thing, which should not be hidden behind 2 clicks, but that's just my opinion. Maybe the users don't care that much where the current page is being watched or not.
Thanks, Marius
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < [email protected]
wrote:
Since there were no hints about the functionality, I've iterated providing more details about the configuration and hidding into a
configuration,
focusing on the notifications: *
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...
*
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...
* Interaction:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...
We would be back to 2 clicks to find the watch state, which is too
much
IMO.
Thanks, Marius
Thanks, Caty
On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 12:05 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau
<
[email protected]> wrote:
I've posted a screenshot of a prototype inspired by the Caty's mockups:
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/N...
If everyone agrees I continue in this direction.
Thanks,
2015-11-02 15:31 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
:
> Hi, > > I've added an iteration that adds switches to the Page/Hierarchy/Wiki > watchlist/notifications activators and that display also the top notifs > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H6.Wa...
> > Thanks, > Caty > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:50 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 2, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > I've attached a mock-up of your idea there: > > > > > > > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H5.Wa...
> > > > > > Some thoughts: > > > > > > * the notification menu needs to be always displayed to access the > > > watchlist actions, even if no real notification have been sent. > > > > > > > > > > > So we would need a kind of "new" icon close to the bell (or the count > of > > > unread notifications) when there is new notifications (like in > facebook: > > > > > > > > >
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/117fb905-4cd4-4a63-a53d-fbfa5d975ed1/...
> > > ) > > > > > > > Yes, we'll need something like this. > > > > > > > > > > * the actions are relevant to the current page, but are displayed in a > > more > > > global menu. But we could also argue that they concern the notification > > > area so it's ok and quite intuitive. > > > > > > * it still need an extra-click to see the state of the page (but as > > before > > > in the first Flamingo's version and Colibri) but it does not cost a lot > > > (nothing compared to a modal box to open). > > > > > > > > > If everyone agrees, I can implement this way. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > 2015-11-02 9:50 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > Edy's proposal sounds ok to me. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 4:27 PM, Eduard Moraru < [email protected] > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don`t like having multiple icons for relatively the same purpose > > nor > > > > > abusing the extra space we have in the top menu. > > > > > > > > > > What about joining the 2 icons (eye and bell) and using only the > bell > > > > item > > > > > for generic "notifications"? > > > > > Reiterating: inside the dropdown of the bell icon (the dropdown > shown > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...
> > > > > ), just above the actual notifications stream, we would also have > > the 2 > > > > > watchlist subscription options (i.e. the content of the dropdown > > shown > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...
> > > > > ) > > > > > which would also show their states. > > > > > > > > > > This way we would also remove the "watch" actions from the more > > actions > > > > > section and we would group notifications and > page-watch-subscriptions > > > in > > > > > the same spot. IMO, it is not critical to always display the > > > information > > > > > that you are watching the current page and, just like we did in all > > the > > > > > other previous skins, it is enough if you can obtain that > information > > > in > > > > > one click (i.e. clicking on the bell icon and seeing the state of > the > > > > watch > > > > > buttons). In our previous skins (colibri, Flamingo v1, etc.) we had > > > this > > > > > information upon hovering the page, space or wiki, in the dropdown. > > > > > > > > > > And yes, I guess that at first, it will look a bit similar to > > proposal > > > 3 > > > > ( > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...
> > > > > ), but with a bell icon and not a dedicated eye (watchlist) icon > > > instead > > > > :) > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 5:02 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" Delhumeau > < > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Eduard, what you propose is basically the proposal 3: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73/p...
> > > > > > > > > > > > What I propose, following the idea of Vincent, is the following: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H4.Wa...
> > > > > > > > > > > > An icon on the top bar when the page is watched (like the badge > > > > proposed > > > > > > previously), but the actions are still in the more actions menu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Notifications can still be display on the top bar, under a menu > > with > > > a > > > > > > "bell" icon, such as: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s657/sh/e0f42388-9d3d-4253-83db-1986a2d8a846/...
> > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 14:37 GMT+01:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Eduard Moraru < > > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sounds nice. A notifications top menu button that, when > > expanded, > > > > > would > > > > > > > > show the 2 options (to watch the current page or the current > > page > > > > and > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > children) and, below those options, we would add (in the > coming > > > > > future) > > > > > > > > actual notifications about modified documents that the user > is > > > > > > watching. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, but how do you show, using only one icon, that: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * the current document is in your watch list (state for the > > current > > > > > > > document) > > > > > > > * there are documents in your watch list that have been > modified > > > > > > > (notifications) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree that the top bar is the right place to signal > > > notifications, > > > > > but > > > > > > > I'm not sure it's the best place to show some state related to > > the > > > > > > current > > > > > > > document. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > Marius > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Something like > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.thefacebookinsider.com/wp-con...
> > > > > > > > but with the two options included. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Eduard > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Guillaume "Louis-Marie" > > > > Delhumeau < > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like it. What about the others? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-29 10:52 GMT+01:00 [email protected] < > > > > [email protected] > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 16:18:49, Guillaume Louis-Marie > > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > > [email protected](mailto: [email protected] )) > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-28 15:32 GMT+01:00 [email protected] : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guillaume, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 28 Oct 2015 at 14:57:27, Guillaume Louis-Marie > > > > Delhumeau ( > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected](mailto: [email protected] )) > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've just added a new iteration: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73#H1.bi...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I still don’t like that it takes more vertical space > > and > > > > that > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > > doesn’t > > > > > > > > > > > > solve the general problem of notifications. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a little variant with the "badge" displayed in > > the > > > > > same > > > > > > > line > > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > > > the last modification date. It does not take more > > vertical > > > > > space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not implement the notification area in the top > menu > > > bar > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > discussed > > > > > > > > > > > > in a few places? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't understand how the state of the current page > (is > > it > > > > > > watched > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > current user or not?) is related to "notification". To > > me, > > > > > > > > > notifications > > > > > > > > > > > are relevant to inform the user that a new message has > > been > > > > > > > received > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > that a watched page has been modified, but not to > inform > > > > about > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > state > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > the current page. In other words, notifications are > about > > > > > > "events", > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > > about "state”. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes you’re right, I’ve not used the right terminology. I > > was > > > > > > > referring > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > a zone in the top menu bar on the right (but left of the > > > > existing > > > > > > > > search > > > > > > > > > > icon) where apps could contribute new icons, similar to > > what > > > > > exists > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > OSX. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example check the top right of > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17hbqlh3z3feijpg/ku-xlarge.jpg > > > > > > (they > > > > > > > > > call > > > > > > > > > > it menu bar icons). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I like this better because: > > > > > > > > > > 1) It’s an UIX, it’s apps that can contribute to it > > > > > > > > > > 2) We have removed menu entries in the top bar and thus > we > > > have > > > > > > lots > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > available horizontal space > > > > > > > > > > 3) We define a standard for all apps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea would for apps to contribute notifications and > > > states > > > > > > there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WDYT? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2015-10-13 19:55 GMT+02:00 Marius Dumitru Florea < > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]>: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re "watch parent and siblings?" it should be > "Watch > > > > this > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > > > > children" IMO. Terminal pages should have only > > "Watch > > > > > this > > > > > > > > page". > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > want to watch the siblings also you can navigate > to > > > the > > > > > > > parent > > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > > > > > (it's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not that hard). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think "Watch this wiki" should be > displayed > > > on > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > page. > > > > > > > > > > We > > > > > > > > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have it either on the Wiki Index (as an > additional > > > > entry > > > > > to > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Actions > > > > > > > > > > > > > > column) or on the Drawer where we list the wikis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So basically for a nested (non-terminal) page the > > > user > > > > > can > > > > > > > > > perform > > > > > > > > > > two > > > > > > > > > > > > > > actions: "Watch this page" and "Watch this page > and > > > its > > > > > > > > > children". > > > > > > > > > > And > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > state can be one of "No watch", "Explicit watch", > > > > > "Implicit > > > > > > > > > watch" > > > > > > > > > > > > (either > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wiki or one of its ancestor are being watched > > > "with > > > > > > > > > children"). > > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we don't care about the difference between > explicit > > > and > > > > > > > > implicit > > > > > > > > > > > > watch, in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which case there will be only two states. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Guillaume > > > > "Louis-Marie" > > > > > > > > > Delhumeau > > > > > > > > > > < > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The other thread about the content menus > > > > > re-organization > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > deviated to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > talk about the watchlist, so I prefer to > continue > > > the > > > > > > > > > discussion > > > > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > new thread. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have made some mock-ups that you can see > there: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/WatchListButtonsonXE73
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