On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 6:59 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
actually one thing we could try is this:
- *Keep the "Add" button where it is and use it for page-related actions:* - "Add child page" - "Add comment" (as suggested by Denis) - "Add attachment" (as suggested by Denis)
- *Add a "Create" button in the top bar, with 2/3 options:* - "Create page" (TBD) - "Create space" - "Create wiki" - In this case, after clicking "Create" the user would be presented with a page / modal box listing existing instances as well as available templates
I think this would solve both my issues (having less-frequent actions in the same location as a more-frequent one, not being in the right place on the page) and GuillaumeD's wife issue (the "Add" button is easy to find where it is right now, why move it?).
WDYT?
Big +1 for me. I am convince we need "in context" and "out of context" operation to be separated.
Guillaume ᐧ
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru ([email protected](mailto: [email protected])) wrote:
On that note: The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this
discussion
on
the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button *only the first time* they tried to do something. The realization is that this is one of those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn once and know how to easily do the next 1000x times (like riding a bike).
The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x time" and you find it cumbersome to use (like riding a bike with no saddle, or with the saddle on backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the page) once you find it once, you will find it again, however in the middle of the page it conflicts too often with the Edit button and other page related actions, that it becomes cumbersome to use.
Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a page and that’s all then you’re not doing a full test. You’d need to ask the user to: - add a page - delete a page - move a page - create a space - etc
And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/ [2] https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
Hi.
I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :)
She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current page, so
in
the
current location, instead of the "black bar that gives the impression of not beeing a part of that page" (that she did not manage to find by herself).
I then explained that the buttons inside the page only concern the actions that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a new page should be put in an other location. She did not like this logic :)
So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and move all actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page. Because if she couldn’t find the Add button there she also wouldn’t be able to find all wiki-related actions, space-related actions and more importantly **page-related** actions like copy page, rename page or delete page…
Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and see if she fails to create a page there too.
Thanks -Vincent
Users' logic and developer's logic are not the same. I like the current location too, except that we should propose "create page" before "create wiki".
I really would like to have some feedback of normal users, with the 2 proposals. We, as developers, are not good at making things that look simple for other people, so we should not take this decision alone.
Thanks,
-- Guillaume Delhumeau
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