Hi, Le 2 oct. 2014 19:24, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> a écrit :
Hi Caty,
On 2 Oct 2014 at 19:10:24, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) ([email protected]
(mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
Hi,
I've created this proposal http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocation Please read it and give your opinion on it. The proposal is based on discussed solution, but improves a bit the styling.
Thanks for working on this!
* I like your idea in Var 3 for the search bar and making it a bit less
visible I like it visually, even if I'm not really sure to understand why search bar should be less visible... I think 90% of my users use the search to find information, and maybe 10% add content. You could say it's because of current visibility of those features, but I'm not sure at all. Apart from that , I hope search icon interactions in flamingo would be better than in sample site linked, which is not so good: search icon is too small, and search bar appearance animation is too slow (HTC m8 + chrome)
* I find the Add button not visible enough in the the top bar with var 3 and I prefer the var 2 for it.
From xwiki.org logo, if I take the funny 'X' of Xwiki, and I rotate it 45°, I get a funny '+' sign with an Xwiki touch. If I paint the '+' in green, maybe I get a nice add menu with an xwiki touch, WDYT ? ;-)
Specifically I prefer the full text “Add” (or “Create”) and the different color to make it more visible since it’s important for the user to find easily how to add new content in a wiki.
Thanks -Vincent
If you are curious how I reached some of the proposal's conclusions, you can see it's iterations
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocationItera...
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
actually one thing we could try is this:
- *Keep the "Add" button where it is and use it for page-related actions:* - "Add child page" - "Add comment" (as suggested by Denis) - "Add attachment" (as suggested by Denis)
- *Add a "Create" button in the top bar, with 2/3 options:* - "Create page" (TBD) - "Create space" - "Create wiki" - In this case, after clicking "Create" the user would be presented
with
a page / modal box listing existing instances as well as available templates
I think this would solve both my issues (having less-frequent actions in the same location as a more-frequent one, not being in the right place on the page) and GuillaumeD's wife issue (the "Add" button is easy to find where it is right now, why move it?).
WDYT?
Guillaume ᐧ
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru ([email protected]
(mailto:
[email protected])) wrote:
On that note: The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this discussion on the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button *only the first time* they tried to do something. The realization is that this is one of those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn once and know how to easily do the next 1000x times (like riding a bike).
The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x time" and you find it cumbersome to use (like riding a bike with no saddle, or with the saddle on backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the page) once you find it once, you will find it again, however in the middle of the page it conflicts too often with the Edit button and other page related actions, that it becomes cumbersome to use.
Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a page and that’s all then you’re not doing a full test. You’d need to ask the user to: - add a page - delete a page - move a page - create a space - etc
And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/ [2]
https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
> Hi. > > I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :) > > She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current
page, so in
the > current location, instead of the "black bar that gives the impression of > not beeing a part of that page" (that she did not manage to find by > herself). > > I then explained that the buttons inside the page only concern the actions > that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a new page should be put in > an other location. She did not like this logic :)
So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and move all actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page. Because if she couldn’t find the Add button there she also wouldn’t be able to find all wiki-related actions, space-related actions and more importantly **page-related** actions like copy page, rename page or delete page…
Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and see if she fails to create a page there too.
Thanks -Vincent
> Users' logic and developer's logic are not the same. I like the current > location too, except that we should propose "create page" before "create > wiki". > > I really would like to have some feedback of normal users, with the 2 > proposals. We, as developers, are not good at making things that look > simple for other people, so we should not take this decision alone. > > Thanks, > > -- > Guillaume Delhumeau
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