Big +1 for Var3 for the simple fact that it looks like a "holistic"/global approach that does not only focus on a specific element, like the "Add" button and currently falls into the mistake of making it a bright shiny beacon to misguided users, resulting in something that is overall disturbing to the eye. Same can be said about the "Search" element, since it now reduces the heavy contrast of both the search input (bright white on dark background) and its search button (bright colored blue on dark background). About the Search button (re: Jeremie): Because it is the first element in its group, it will show to the left and no other elements will be disturbed, so the transition will be nice for users. Basically the expand search button (the magnifying glass) becomes a button once you expand it, so there should be no flicker or anything like that. - As an alternative, if we really are against transitions/animations/expandable elements/etc, we could just present the search as directly expanded (classic way), but still keep the darker input color to avoid the "kitch" effect described above due to high contrasts. About the + (Add) button, IMO, the only thing we could do more if we really want to emphasize it in an *elegant* fashion, would be to make the + sign itself green, or with some green border, whatever. Whatever we do, we should try to consider Caty's opinion on style here since she might have a better eye and this proposal here seems to be towards that direction. IMO, one very interesting thing to note is the extended (3.4) version and long term view that we also need to take into account and, at least to me, that looks really slick. I think we should stick to the original intent of this Flamingo skin, with the addition of Bootstrap's style, and keep it slick, minimalistic and to the point. The users should focus more on the content instead of the UI, don`t u think? ------ On a related note, If you ask me, I would be in favor of also removing the labels from "Edit" and "More actions" and just go with the *all too obvious* "pencil" and "cog" icons. GMail uses the "cog" icon with 0 problems and I kind of trust that their UX army did their research and impact studies for that :) Also, on matters of "consistency" we would achieve the following statement: "Actions have only icons, while entities have an icon and a label that displays the entity's name". - Actions: add, edit, search, more actions, etc. - Entities (with dropdown menu for actions on the entries): wiki, space, page, user. ------ Let's keep this skin clean and a pleasure to work on/with, WDYT? Thanks, Eduard On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 8:09 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <[email protected]
wrote:
Hi,
I've created this proposal http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocation Please read it and give your opinion on it. The proposal is based on discussed solution, but improves a bit the styling.
If you are curious how I reached some of the proposal's conclusions, you can see it's iterations
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/FlamingoAddMenuLocationItera...
Thanks, Caty
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 7:59 PM, Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
actually one thing we could try is this:
- *Keep the "Add" button where it is and use it for page-related actions:* - "Add child page" - "Add comment" (as suggested by Denis) - "Add attachment" (as suggested by Denis)
- *Add a "Create" button in the top bar, with 2/3 options:* - "Create page" (TBD) - "Create space" - "Create wiki" - In this case, after clicking "Create" the user would be presented with a page / modal box listing existing instances as well as available templates
I think this would solve both my issues (having less-frequent actions in the same location as a more-frequent one, not being in the right place on the page) and GuillaumeD's wife issue (the "Add" button is easy to find where it is right now, why move it?).
WDYT?
Guillaume ᐧ
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 1:48 PM, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:
On 2 Oct 2014 at 13:31:56, Eduard Moraru ([email protected](mailto: [email protected])) wrote:
On that note: The funny/sad thing to realise is that we are basing all this
discussion
on
the fact that some users did not find the "Add" button *only the first time* they tried to do something. The realization is that this is one of those things (idioms[1][2]) that you learn once and know how to easily do the next 1000x times (like riding a bike).
The real problem appears when you are in those "next 1000x time" and you find it cumbersome to use (like riding a bike with no saddle, or with the saddle on backwards :) ). So in both cases (top or middle of the page) once you find it once, you will find it again, however in the middle of the page it conflicts too often with the Edit button and other page related actions, that it becomes cumbersome to use.
Indeed that’s something I had in mind too. If you just ask to add a page and that’s all then you’re not doing a full test. You’d need to ask the user to: - add a page - delete a page - move a page - create a space - etc
And then only you can draw some conclusion IMO.
Thanks -Vincent
Thanks, Eduard
---------- [1] http://thor.info.uaic.ro/~evalica/hci/L2/ [2] https://www.englishforums.com/English/IdiomsVsMetaphors/cqwl/post.htm
On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 12:47 PM, [email protected] wrote:
On 2 Oct 2014 at 11:06:00, Guillaume Louis-Marie Delhumeau ( [email protected](mailto:[email protected])) wrote:
Hi.
I have done the "test-on-my-wife" thing :)
She finds it more intuitive to add a page from the current page,
so in
the
current location, instead of the "black bar that gives the impression of not beeing a part of that page" (that she did not manage to find by herself).
I then explained that the buttons inside the page only concern the actions that you can do on that page, meanwhile adding a new page should be put in an other location. She did not like this logic :)
So with this logic we should remove the top bar completely and move all actions inside the page, i.e. have only 1 menu inside the page. Because if she couldn’t find the Add button there she also wouldn’t be able to find all wiki-related actions, space-related actions and more importantly **page-related** actions like copy page, rename page or delete page…
Also would be fun to ask your wife to try using Confluence and see if she fails to create a page there too.
Thanks -Vincent
Users' logic and developer's logic are not the same. I like the current location too, except that we should propose "create page" before "create wiki".
I really would like to have some feedback of normal users, with the 2 proposals. We, as developers, are not good at making things that look simple for other people, so we should not take this decision alone.
Thanks,
-- Guillaume Delhumeau
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