Re: [xwiki-devs] Use of incubator wiki [was Re: [Proposal] [Vote] [Standard] Items Hover State]
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> wrote:
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on xwiki.org directly. My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status and after a vote has been submitted. IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on xwiki.org. On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they are not relevant for all the people. Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they could flood the bot. Thanks, Caty
Ludovic
Le 14/07/10 13:40, Ecaterina Valica a écrit :
Hi,
In order to assure the consistency of visual elements, we need to have some standards. There is already some work in progress at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/ Things that mature and are final decided, will be added at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserExperience/
One of this proposed standards is "Items Hover State" Whenever we have multiples items displayed, the hovered item will be marked with $theme.highlightColor . http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/HoverStateItems
We already cover this pattern in most of the cases, but there are still some inconsistencies: - comments: only the header is highlighted; - attachments, colorthemes are not highlighted at all; - trees and WYSIWYG elements have a different color (I don't know if we can change this to use the color themes variables); - maybe others?
Having a stardard for this kind of things it will be easier to know what elements are out of order, and what needs to be fixed in order to assure the consistency. Please vote for "Items Hover State"
Here's my +1
On 07/14/2010 06:27 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic Dubost<[email protected]> wrote:
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on xwiki.org directly. My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status and after a vote has been submitted. IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on xwiki.org.
XWiki.org has a drafts section ( http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/ ) where we can put proposals. Having proposals in two (maybe more?) places is not good. I'm fine with moving all of them to incubator and keep only documentation for implemented features on XWiki.org. Marius
On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they are not relevant for all the people.
Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they could flood the bot.
Thanks, Caty
Ludovic
Le 14/07/10 13:40, Ecaterina Valica a écrit :
Hi,
In order to assure the consistency of visual elements, we need to have some standards. There is already some work in progress at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/ Things that mature and are final decided, will be added at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserExperience/
One of this proposed standards is "Items Hover State" Whenever we have multiples items displayed, the hovered item will be marked with $theme.highlightColor . http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/HoverStateItems
We already cover this pattern in most of the cases, but there are still some inconsistencies: - comments: only the header is highlighted; - attachments, colorthemes are not highlighted at all; - trees and WYSIWYG elements have a different color (I don't know if we can change this to use the color themes variables); - maybe others?
Having a stardard for this kind of things it will be easier to know what elements are out of order, and what needs to be fixed in order to assure the consistency. Please vote for "Items Hover State"
Here's my +1
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On 07/15/2010 10:55 AM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
On 07/14/2010 06:27 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic Dubost<[email protected]> wrote:
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on xwiki.org directly. My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status and after a vote has been submitted. IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on xwiki.org.
XWiki.org has a drafts section ( http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/ ) where we can put proposals. Having proposals in two (maybe more?) places is not good. I'm fine with moving all of them to incubator and keep only documentation for implemented features on XWiki.org.
That + the fact that the incubator is not guaranteed to be stable, it can be down when you need it the most, even when trying to look at a proposal to vote for it, which is not good, let alone the cases when you're actually implementing these proposals and you need it. So in my opinion, all proposals that are to be implemented, we actually want them in, (therefore we vote for them), should be on xwiki.org, even if they will suffer modifications and adjustments until they reach final form. Also, the unstability may also refer to the content: what guarantees that nobody will write a little experiment application tomorrow which will delete or affect in any way these proposals? If you prefer, you can develop them on the incubator, but when they reach vote stage, imo, they should be on xwiki.org.
Marius
On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they are not relevant for all the people.
The partial implementation, missing thing, postponed implementations, or just proposals should be documented as such. It really depends on the purpose for which the proposal is made, but for example these standards (which we know for sure that we want to have, we just need to decide on how), the annotations UI, the new rights UI, etc, which we're sure we want, are relevant for everybody and should go on xwiki.org.
Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they could flood the bot.
This is the same for any proposal, or documentation, or everything. To the limit anything can flood the IRC channel but this would only mean we need a new strategy for the bot :). Thanks, Anca
Thanks, Caty
Ludovic
Le 14/07/10 13:40, Ecaterina Valica a écrit :
Hi,
In order to assure the consistency of visual elements, we need to have some standards. There is already some work in progress at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/ Things that mature and are final decided, will be added at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserExperience/
One of this proposed standards is "Items Hover State" Whenever we have multiples items displayed, the hovered item will be marked with $theme.highlightColor . http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/HoverStateItems
We already cover this pattern in most of the cases, but there are still some inconsistencies: - comments: only the header is highlighted; - attachments, colorthemes are not highlighted at all; - trees and WYSIWYG elements have a different color (I don't know if we can change this to use the color themes variables); - maybe others?
Having a stardard for this kind of things it will be easier to know what elements are out of order, and what needs to be fixed in order to assure the consistency. Please vote for "Items Hover State"
Here's my +1
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On 07/15/2010 10:28 AM, Anca Luca wrote:
That + the fact that the incubator is not guaranteed to be stable, it can be down when you need it the most, even when trying to look at a proposal to vote for it, which is not good, let alone the cases when you're actually implementing these proposals and you need it.
Well, the real solution for this is to improve the platform performance enough so that it doesn't hang when more than 5 requests occur at the same time. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 09:55, Marius Dumitru Florea <[email protected]> wrote:
On 07/14/2010 06:27 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic Dubost<[email protected]> wrote:
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on xwiki.org directly. My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status and after a vote has been submitted. IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on xwiki.org.
XWiki.org has a drafts section ( http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/ ) where we can put proposals. Having proposals in two (maybe more?) places is not good. I'm fine with moving all of them to incubator and keep only documentation for implemented features on XWiki.org.
Drafts is not for proposals it's here only work xwiki.org drafts of xwiki.org documentation pages.
Marius
On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they are not relevant for all the people.
Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they could flood the bot.
Thanks, Caty
Ludovic
Le 14/07/10 13:40, Ecaterina Valica a écrit :
Hi,
In order to assure the consistency of visual elements, we need to have some standards. There is already some work in progress at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/ Things that mature and are final decided, will be added at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/UserExperience/
One of this proposed standards is "Items Hover State" Whenever we have multiples items displayed, the hovered item will be marked with $theme.highlightColor . http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Standards/HoverStateItems
We already cover this pattern in most of the cases, but there are still some inconsistencies: - comments: only the header is highlighted; - attachments, colorthemes are not highlighted at all; - trees and WYSIWYG elements have a different color (I don't know if we can change this to use the color themes variables); - maybe others?
Having a stardard for this kind of things it will be easier to know what elements are out of order, and what needs to be fixed in order to assure the consistency. Please vote for "Items Hover State"
Here's my +1
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-- Thomas Mortagne
On 07/14/2010 05:27 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 16:21, Ludovic Dubost<[email protected]> wrote:
This looks good.
I have remarke though if this should be published on the incubator or on xwiki.org directly. My understanding is that the incubator is there for showing new applications based on the latest version of XWiki (including milestones).
Shouldn't design proposal and standards be published on dev.xwiki.org ?
Standards should be published on xwiki.org when they reach a final status and after a vote has been submitted. IMO everything that is final and can be used for documentation should be on xwiki.org.
On the other hand, I view incubator.myxwiki.org as a place where people can experiment and brainstorm. Lots of design proposal are not fully implemented, suffers changes or just remain at the proposal level, so they are not relevant for all the people.
Also a reason I prefer that design proposals stay on incubator is to reduce the noise on xwiki bot on IRC. A proposal suffers many variations and they could flood the bot.
I agree with these reasons. Another one is that xwiki.org is on an older version of XWiki, and on a different skin, so not all the features in the current XWiki version are available, so this would make it more difficult to include in the design proposal live demos of interaction, like Caty has been doing lately on the incubator. When it comes to interaction design, pictures are not enough. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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