[xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Wiki home improvements (Dashboard)
Hi, I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at : http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs, improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there. This new home relies on improvements in the tag application. I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like to commit it later this week. Here's my +1. Thanks, JV.
On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at : http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs, improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there. This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
+1 in general. Looks good. Some questions: 1) Do you put edit comments in the recent changes too? I think it would be good if not 2) What happens if there are no tags? No tags sections shown or some text explaining how to add tags (probably better)? 3) Do we also have a panel for the tag cloud (I think it would be good too) Thanks -Vincent http://xwiki.com http://xwiki.org http://massol.net
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Jan 20, 2009, at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at : http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs, improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there. This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
+1 in general. Looks good.
Some questions:
1) Do you put edit comments in the recent changes too? I think it would be good if not
The new recent changes is actually concatenating the consecutive edits from the user during the indicated day to offer an "intelligent" diff link. If you've created and edited a page 10 times during the day the diff link will point to : rev1=1.1, rev2=10.1 Which is why I can't print edit comments, we could imagine to print the edit comment if there's only one edit but I'd like to keep it simple for now and leave room for some improvements.
2) What happens if there are no tags? No tags sections shown or some text explaining how to add tags (probably better)?
I'll keep in mind 2/ while localizing the app.
3) Do we also have a panel for the tag cloud (I think it would be good too)
Not yet but I could make one quickly.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at : http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs, improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there. This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
+1
Thanks, JV. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Thomas Mortagne
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact that the recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner. I have a few comments though: 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent changes? 2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column, if the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd have consistency with the 'Spaces' section. 3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display in Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve the problem. On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I've worked on a new Dashboard for XE, you can see it at : http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome
Note that it may differ a bit from my local version (fixed bugs, improved styling, new tag plugin) but almost everything is there. This new home relies on improvements in the tag application.
I'm still waiting for some CSS improvements from Laurent but I'd like to commit it later this week.
Here's my +1.
Thanks, JV. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea <[email protected]> wrote:
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact that the recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though: 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way more in some cases). You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column, if the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items (page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display in Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I think. I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height smaller than 60px. Thanks, JV.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea <[email protected]> wrote:
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact that the recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though: 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way more in some cases). You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column, if the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items (page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display in Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I think.
Yes, power to people! Avatars makes a big difference in the tool adoption by its users, in my opinion. (And displaying it other places than user own profile encourages people to actually upload their picture). Jerome.
I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height smaller than 60px.
Thanks, JV. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Jerome Velociter <[email protected]> wrote:
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea <[email protected]> wrote:
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact that the recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though: 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way more in some cases). You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column, if the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items (page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display in Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I think.
Yes, power to people! Avatars makes a big difference in the tool adoption by its users, in my opinion. (And displaying it other places than user own profile encourages people to actually upload their picture).
I agree, that's why I didn't suggest removing the avatars, just making them smaller. This wasn't negative feedback on the avatars, but a comment on the fact that they are way too visible comparing to the rest (at least on my display).
Jerome.
I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height smaller than 60px.
Thanks, JV. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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Nice job! my remarks: - I think also the "recent changes" section is a bit "oversized" compared to the others sections because when you open the page, you only see this at first sight. - The number of items in recent changes should be reduced (it is already possible as you said in a previous mail) so that the recent changes is not too tall compared to Spaces+Tags and so that you can guess there are other contents below recent changes without scrolling too much. - Maybe default height for one recent change could be reduced a bit by putting the name just beside the photo for example... I like this size of photo... - considering balance, I would prefer a smaller column for recent changes... not 50/50 but 60/40 for example... this is a personal opinion :) - I agree the avatar presentation brings something interesting. Pascal On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Marta Girdea <[email protected]>wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Jerome Velociter <[email protected]> wrote:
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea <[email protected]> wrote:
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact that the recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though: 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way more in some cases). You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column, if the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items (page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display in Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I think.
Yes, power to people! Avatars makes a big difference in the tool adoption by its users, in my opinion. (And displaying it other places than user own profile encourages people to actually upload their picture).
I agree, that's why I didn't suggest removing the avatars, just making them smaller. This wasn't negative feedback on the avatars, but a comment on the fact that they are way too visible comparing to the rest (at least on my display).
Jerome.
I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height smaller than 60px.
Thanks, JV. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Pascal Voitot <[email protected]> wrote:
Nice job! my remarks: - I think also the "recent changes" section is a bit "oversized" compared to the others sections because when you open the page, you only see this at first sight.
I think that looking at the recent changes at first sight is a good thing :) The dashboard is a bunch of divs with some includes, it can be customized very easily.
- The number of items in recent changes should be reduced (it is already possible as you said in a previous mail) so that the recent changes is not too tall compared to Spaces+Tags and so that you can guess there are other contents below recent changes without scrolling too much.
The content bellow dashboard was a leftover, I've cleaned it. About recent changes number of items I think 30 is not that big, may be we should add other infos on the left so that a new wiki dashboard doesn't look that unbalanced (as Ludovic suggested in the comments). Also note that the average wiki contains way more space than incubator, 30/40+ spaces is common.
- Maybe default height for one recent change could be reduced a bit by putting the name just beside the photo for example... I like this size of photo...
I've reduced the height of the avatars to 40px on incubator yesterday to show how it looks, the original size was 60px. Putting the name beside the avatar could be nice but it won't look pretty with long names (take mine for example ;).
- considering balance, I would prefer a smaller column for recent changes... not 50/50 but 60/40 for example... this is a personal opinion :)
The current balance is 60/40, rationale: - Give room to the supposed most important part of the dashboard. - Space names are rarely long, otoh pages names often are. - Recent changes panel holds more info/img/links and even expandable comment areas, they technically need more space. Thanks, JV.
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]> wrote:
The current balance is 60/40, rationale:
Read: 40/60 :)
- Give room to the supposed most important part of the dashboard. - Space names are rarely long, otoh pages names often are. - Recent changes panel holds more info/img/links and even expandable comment areas, they technically need more space.
Thanks, JV.
I can accept your arguments ;) Just one remark: have you tested on IE6 (yes, I still have that on my PC :)) ? This is not exactly the same nice page :) regards Pascal On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 8:12 AM, Jean-Vincent Drean <[email protected]>wrote:
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Pascal Voitot <[email protected]> wrote:
Nice job! my remarks: - I think also the "recent changes" section is a bit "oversized" compared to the others sections because when you open the page, you only see this at first sight.
I think that looking at the recent changes at first sight is a good thing :) The dashboard is a bunch of divs with some includes, it can be customized very easily.
- The number of items in recent changes should be reduced (it is already possible as you said in a previous mail) so that the recent changes is not too tall compared to Spaces+Tags and so that you can guess there are other contents below recent changes without scrolling too much.
The content bellow dashboard was a leftover, I've cleaned it. About recent changes number of items I think 30 is not that big, may be we should add other infos on the left so that a new wiki dashboard doesn't look that unbalanced (as Ludovic suggested in the comments).
Also note that the average wiki contains way more space than incubator, 30/40+ spaces is common.
- Maybe default height for one recent change could be reduced a bit by putting the name just beside the photo for example... I like this size of photo...
I've reduced the height of the avatars to 40px on incubator yesterday to show how it looks, the original size was 60px. Putting the name beside the avatar could be nice but it won't look pretty with long names (take mine for example ;).
- considering balance, I would prefer a smaller column for recent changes... not 50/50 but 60/40 for example... this is a personal opinion :)
The current balance is 60/40, rationale: - Give room to the supposed most important part of the dashboard. - Space names are rarely long, otoh pages names often are. - Recent changes panel holds more info/img/links and even expandable comment areas, they technically need more space.
Thanks, JV. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:06 AM, Pascal Voitot <[email protected]> wrote:
I can accept your arguments ;)
Just one remark: have you tested on IE6 (yes, I still have that on my PC :)) ? This is not exactly the same nice page :)
It'd look a lot worse if it hasn't been tested in IE6 :) There's 2 hacks missing for it, png transparency and element:hover emulation. For info : http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/download/Main/WebHome/ie6.jpg JV.
On Jan 20, 2009, at 7:29 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea <[email protected]> wrote:
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact that the recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though: 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way more in some cases). You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column, if the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items (page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display in Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I think.
It's important IMO. We need people to contribute as much as possible to their wikis and I'm pretty sure that when people see their faces they contribute more. It helps put emphasis on their contributions. I'm definitely for using avatars although maybe the size could be reduced (but JV says it won't look nice below).
I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height smaller than 60px.
Thanks, JV.
Thanks -Vincent http://xwiki.com http://xwiki.org http://massol.net
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Marta Girdea <[email protected]> wrote:
This is starting to look really nice, I particularly like the fact that the recent changes are displayed in a more comprehensive manner.
I have a few comments though: 1/ The two columns look a bit unbalanced. Isn't there some other important information the user would like to see on in the dashboard, that could fill the empty space? Or maybe we could reduce the number of displayed recent changes?
I think that the average wiki contains more spaces than incubator (way more in some cases). You can try to reduce the number of items in recent changes by passing changesNb=15 in the URL (this variable can be set in the document too).
2/ There are some scalability problems: on the 'Recent changes' column, if the document name is long, 'see modifications' that appears on hover shows up on the next row and pushes the rest of the content down, and this is not pretty. What could be done is use an icon instead of text, and this way we'd have consistency with the 'Spaces' section.
It's not pretty but I've asked for feedback during the devel process and since this onhover link vary a lot (link vs. ajax) between items (page vs. comment) it seemed to be way more comprehensive to write it and use visual hints (color + [+] and [-]) than to use images.
3/ I don't think the user's avatar is a crucial information to display in Recent changes. Also, too few or too many document changes per user will result in empty spaces. Maybe reducing the image's size would partly solve the problem.
This is the first negative feedback about avatars, I agree it's not crucial but it allow to put a face on changes which is a good thing I think. I'm afraid that a lot of avatars will not look pretty with a height smaller than 60px.
I agree the 60px version looks nicer. We don't have any mechanism for avatar thumbs (like something a la Facebook), so most avatars do not look very good in small versions, like the 40px now on incubator. Jerome.
Thanks, JV. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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