[xwiki-devs] [Proposal][UX] Action Menu
Hi devs, Part of the XE 2.1 roadmap is the improvement of the action bar. Proposal can be viewed at: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal There are some icon usage variants: - no icons (just like Colibri) - Var1: partial icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar1 - Var2: full icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar2 Ideas: - there could be an option to display or not the icons in the administration I would like if you could give: 1. some feedback about the proposals 2. a preference between the icons variants (Var1, Var2) Thanks, Caty
Hi Caty, On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
Part of the XE 2.1 roadmap is the improvement of the action bar.
Proposal can be viewed at: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal
Nice work, I like it a lot! I think getting the action icons closer to the page content is great. There are some icon usage variants:
- no icons (just like Colibri) - Var1: partial icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar1 - Var2: full icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar2
I like Var2: full icons better :-) Guillaume
Ideas:
- there could be an option to display or not the icons in the administration
I would like if you could give:
1. some feedback about the proposals 2. a preference between the icons variants (Var1, Var2)
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I really like the proposal, Caty! How about displaying the menu for Page actions twice , on the top and on the bottom of the page? This way, the need for scrolling could be partially fixed. It will look strange on small contents ... As a user, I would definitely distinguish visually better the actions on using the menu with icons. BUT, the other proposal is much more elegant and the step from a beginner user to an advanced user (regarding the menu usage) is small. So, the difference between those the two proposals is the time needed to get used with the menu. My opinion is that we either display the icons, or we don't. Since the look and feel is very important, and using icons in submenus is a bit too much, I would choose the version without icons by default and maybe an option in the XWiki Preferences section to display icons or not. Raluca. Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi devs,
Part of the XE 2.1 roadmap is the improvement of the action bar.
Proposal can be viewed at: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal
There are some icon usage variants:
- no icons (just like Colibri) - Var1: partial icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar1 - Var2: full icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar2
Ideas:
- there could be an option to display or not the icons in the administration
I would like if you could give:
1. some feedback about the proposals 2. a preference between the icons variants (Var1, Var2)
Thanks, Caty _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 16:03, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
Part of the XE 2.1 roadmap is the improvement of the action bar.
Proposal can be viewed at: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal
Better link actions to content is a good idea.
There are some icon usage variants:
- no icons (just like Colibri) - Var1: partial icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar1 - Var2: full icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar2
Ideas:
- there could be an option to display or not the icons in the administration
I would like if you could give:
1. some feedback about the proposals 2. a preference between the icons variants (Var1, Var2)
+1 for Var2
Thanks, Caty _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Oct 29, 2009, at 4:03 PM, Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Hi devs,
Part of the XE 2.1 roadmap is the improvement of the action bar.
Proposal can be viewed at: http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuProposal
+1 I like it. Good work.
There are some icon usage variants:
- no icons (just like Colibri) - Var1: partial icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar1 - Var2: full icons - http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuVar2
Ideas:
- there could be an option to display or not the icons in the administration
I would like if you could give:
1. some feedback about the proposals 2. a preference between the icons variants (Var1, Var2)
Question: Should we have some way (optional) to navigate from one wiki to another in a multiwiki setup. This shouldn't be setup by default but maybe a config option. Then we could have a "Farm" element entry before the wiki entry in the top action bar for this case. This could potentially replace the "Ecosystem" panel for xwiki.org. I have a small preference for var1 but I don't mind var2. Thanks -Vincent
Question: Should we have some way (optional) to navigate from one wiki to another in a multiwiki setup. This shouldn't be setup by default but maybe a config option. Then we could have a "Farm" element entry before the wiki entry in the top action bar for this case. This could potentially replace the "Ecosystem" panel for xwiki.org.
A proposal for this kind of interaction can be found at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuNavigatio... In order to provide two functions simultaneous (navigation + actions) the menu element is separated into icon + name, each with it's own function. Thanks, Caty
Hi Caty, On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]> wrote:
Question: Should we have some way (optional) to navigate from one wiki to another in a multiwiki setup. This shouldn't be setup by default but maybe a config option. Then we could have a "Farm" element entry before the wiki entry in the top action bar for this case. This could potentially replace the "Ecosystem" panel for xwiki.org.
A proposal for this kind of interaction can be found at
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuNavigatio...
In order to provide two functions simultaneous (navigation + actions) the menu element is separated into icon + name, each with it's own function.
Looks good. I can see only 2 main issues: - What happens with a lot of wikis or if one wants to hide some wikis? Put a field with autosuggest instead of the list? - Tricky mouse interaction -> we're talking about small areas, might be hard to aim correctly with the mouse -> maybe you could add ">>" between the icon and the text to separate them a bit? Guillaume Thanks,
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Looks good. I can see only 2 main issues:
- What happens with a lot of wikis or if one wants to hide some wikis? Put a field with autosuggest instead of the list?
autosuggest or revealing scroll
- Tricky mouse interaction -> we're talking about small areas, might be hard to aim correctly with the mouse -> maybe you could add ">>" between the icon and the text to separate them a bit?
if you separate them too much they will look not look like a single item.
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Question: Should we have some way (optional) to navigate from one wiki to another in a multiwiki setup. This shouldn't be setup by default but maybe a config option. Then we could have a "Farm" element entry before the wiki entry in the top action bar for this case. This could potentially replace the "Ecosystem" panel for xwiki.org.
A proposal for this kind of interaction can be found at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuNavigatio...
In order to provide two functions simultaneous (navigation + actions) the menu element is separated into icon + name, each with it's own function.
I like it a lot! The interaction is very simple. The fact that you can select the space from the menu and you don't have to go on the Dashboard for that is a very big plus. And the fact that you can select the current wiki from the menu is also a big improvement. I would suggest to put a text on mouseover to explain what the icons (for wiki and for space) mean, and what the arrows (select wiki and select space) mean. Raluca.
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On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Raluca Stavro <[email protected]> wrote:
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Question: Should we have some way (optional) to navigate from one wiki to another in a multiwiki setup. This shouldn't be setup by default but maybe a config option. Then we could have a "Farm" element entry before the wiki entry in the top action bar for this case. This could potentially replace the "Ecosystem" panel for xwiki.org.
A proposal for this kind of interaction can be found at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuNavigatio...
In order to provide two functions simultaneous (navigation + actions) the menu element is separated into icon + name, each with it's own function.
I like it a lot! The interaction is very simple. The fact that you can select the space from the menu and you don't have to go on the Dashboard for that is a very big plus. And the fact that you can select the current wiki from the menu is also a big improvement. I would suggest to put a text on mouseover to explain what the icons (for wiki and for space) mean, and what the arrows (select wiki and select space) mean.
I find the proposal very nice looking, my inner geek loves the ingeniosity but I think it is overkill. Raluca, do you really feel the need for a fast switch between spaces ? I mean we use panels for that, let's take the default QuickLinks panel, I think it's a big plus that it is customizable by admins and that spaces like Panels or Scheduler doesn't appear in it. If the idea is to get rid of panels in the future then big +1 :) If the idea is to keep panels but have a new policy suggesting not to use them as navigation menus, -0. JV.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Raluca Stavro <[email protected]> wrote:
Ecaterina Valica wrote:
Question: Should we have some way (optional) to navigate from one wiki to another in a multiwiki setup. This shouldn't be setup by default but maybe a config option. Then we could have a "Farm" element entry before the wiki entry in the top action bar for this case. This could potentially replace the "Ecosystem" panel for xwiki.org.
A proposal for this kind of interaction can be found at http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/ActionMenuNavigatio...
In order to provide two functions simultaneous (navigation + actions) the menu element is separated into icon + name, each with it's own function.
I like it a lot! The interaction is very simple. The fact that you can select the space from the menu and you don't have to go on the Dashboard for that is a very big plus. And the fact that you can select the current wiki from the menu is also a big improvement. I would suggest to put a text on mouseover to explain what the icons (for wiki and for space) mean, and what the arrows (select wiki and select space) mean.
I find the proposal very nice looking, my inner geek loves the ingeniosity but I think it is overkill. Raluca, do you really feel the need for a fast switch between spaces ? I mean we use panels for that, let's take the default QuickLinks panel, I think it's a big plus that it is customizable by admins and that spaces like Panels or Scheduler doesn't appear in it.
In the current proposal, the user doesn't have to do much effort if he wants to add a page (for example) in a different space. If he uses a panel, he will be force to load another page (Space.WebHome) and this will add some extra time to the process duration. About admin customization, yes, panels are a big plus. But what if the list of spaces is long? Then, the panel is useless because having a huge panel is not nice at all and the user will have to navigate to the Dashboard or to some custom page.
If the idea is to get rid of panels in the future then big +1 :) If the idea is to keep panels but have a new policy suggesting not to use them as navigation menus, -0.
We should keep the panels, but my opinion is that we should not use them as general navigation menus. The user is able to create panels and customize them, so he can create alternatives to the main menu if that's the case. Raluca.
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On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Question: Should we have some way (optional) to navigate from one wiki to another in a multiwiki setup. This shouldn't be setup by default but maybe a config option. Then we could have a "Farm" element entry before the wiki entry in the top action bar for this case. This could potentially replace the "Ecosystem" panel for xwiki.org.
I have a small preference for var1 but I don't mind var2.
I don't think this could replace panels to create a navigation menu in farms, I'm sure that even if we had this feature we would create panels since a newcomer wouldn't see the navigation links. WDYT ? JV.
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Ecaterina Valica -
Guillaume Lerouge -
Jean-Vincent Drean -
Raluca Stavro -
Thomas Mortagne -
Vincent Massol