[xwiki-devs] [Proposal] Make our new GWT WYSIWYG editor a top level standalone project
Hi devs, This is not a priority (we need to finish our first stable release of the WYSIWYG editor first) but I wanted to propose 2 things and start a discussion on it: * That we make our new GWT WYSIWYG editor a top level project (i.e. with a separate jira, separate wiki like http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org with a better name, etc) * Make it usable by someone who is not using XWiki The rationale is: * If we want our editor to become strong and compete with the likes of FCKEditor/TinyMCE we need to open it up to others and for that we need to: - advertise it (hence the http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org that would lists all features same as http://www.fckeditor.net/) - make it be usable easily and thus without dragging xwiki dependencies Other options: 1) Don't do anything. Cons: we won't get enough help and it'll be hard to compete with other editors. They'll have more features/less bugs and we'll have a hard time keeping up. In addition it's possible someone else creates a new GWT WYSIWYG editor and it would be better if we could all join force on that and using what we have started 2) Externalize it on some forge other than the xwiki forge. This is nice from a marketing point of view (i.e. easier to show it as a pure wysiwyg editor) but it has some drawbacks: - further from the xwiki community and thus harder for us to maintain it there - doesn't strengthen our xwiki project In addition, what we need to evaluate is how do we make it independent of xwiki and how long would that take. This is probably more a question for Marius. Marius this is not urgent compared to the 1.7.1 release. Whenever you have time. Thanks -Vincent
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
This is not a priority (we need to finish our first stable release of the WYSIWYG editor first) but I wanted to propose 2 things and start a discussion on it:
* That we make our new GWT WYSIWYG editor a top level project (i.e. with a separate jira, separate wiki like http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org with a better name, etc) * Make it usable by someone who is not using XWiki
The rationale is: * If we want our editor to become strong and compete with the likes of FCKEditor/TinyMCE we need to open it up to others and for that we need to: - advertise it (hence the http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org that would lists all features same as http://www.fckeditor.net/) - make it be usable easily and thus without dragging xwiki dependencies
Other options: 1) Don't do anything. Cons: we won't get enough help and it'll be hard to compete with other editors. They'll have more features/less bugs and we'll have a hard time keeping up. In addition it's possible someone else creates a new GWT WYSIWYG editor and it would be better if we could all join force on that and using what we have started 2) Externalize it on some forge other than the xwiki forge. This is nice from a marketing point of view (i.e. easier to show it as a pure wysiwyg editor) but it has some drawbacks: - further from the xwiki community and thus harder for us to maintain it there - doesn't strengthen our xwiki project
In addition, what we need to evaluate is how do we make it independent of xwiki and how long would that take. This is probably more a question for Marius. Marius this is not urgent compared to the 1.7.1 release. Whenever you have time.
Thanks -Vincent
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big +1, as Vincent said if we want it to be a strong WYSIWYG editor, we need people to use it and contribute. And we would get a lot more people and especially developers if make it standalone. For the details I would be in favor of really externalize it as I think it will get more people if it's clear it's a generic WYSIWYG editor but yes it would not be seen as a XWiki strength anymore. -- Thomas Mortagne
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 11:25 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]
wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
This is not a priority (we need to finish our first stable release of the WYSIWYG editor first) but I wanted to propose 2 things and start a discussion on it:
* That we make our new GWT WYSIWYG editor a top level project (i.e. with a separate jira, separate wiki like http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org with a better name, etc) * Make it usable by someone who is not using XWiki
The rationale is: * If we want our editor to become strong and compete with the likes of FCKEditor/TinyMCE we need to open it up to others and for that we need to: - advertise it (hence the http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org that would lists all features same as http://www.fckeditor.net/) - make it be usable easily and thus without dragging xwiki dependencies
Other options: 1) Don't do anything. Cons: we won't get enough help and it'll be hard to compete with other editors. They'll have more features/less bugs and we'll have a hard time keeping up. In addition it's possible someone else creates a new GWT WYSIWYG editor and it would be better if we could all join force on that and using what we have started 2) Externalize it on some forge other than the xwiki forge. This is nice from a marketing point of view (i.e. easier to show it as a pure wysiwyg editor) but it has some drawbacks: - further from the xwiki community and thus harder for us to maintain it there - doesn't strengthen our xwiki project
In addition, what we need to evaluate is how do we make it independent of xwiki and how long would that take. This is probably more a question for Marius. Marius this is not urgent compared to the 1.7.1 release. Whenever you have time.
Thanks -Vincent
_______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
big +1, as Vincent said if we want it to be a strong WYSIWYG editor, we need people to use it and contribute. And we would get a lot more people and especially developers if make it standalone.
For the details I would be in favor of really externalize it as I think it will get more people if it's clear it's a generic WYSIWYG editor but yes it would not be seen as a XWiki strength anymore.
*BIG* +1! - Asiri
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
This is not a priority (we need to finish our first stable release of the WYSIWYG editor first) but I wanted to propose 2 things and start a discussion on it:
* That we make our new GWT WYSIWYG editor a top level project (i.e. with a separate jira, separate wiki like http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org with a better name, etc) * Make it usable by someone who is not using XWiki
The rationale is: * If we want our editor to become strong and compete with the likes of FCKEditor/TinyMCE we need to open it up to others and for that we need to: - advertise it (hence the http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org that would lists all features same as http://www.fckeditor.net/) - make it be usable easily and thus without dragging xwiki dependencies
+1
Other options: 1) Don't do anything. Cons: we won't get enough help and it'll be hard to compete with other editors. They'll have more features/less bugs and we'll have a hard time keeping up. In addition it's possible someone else creates a new GWT WYSIWYG editor and it would be better if we could all join force on that and using what we have started 2) Externalize it on some forge other than the xwiki forge. This is nice from a marketing point of view (i.e. easier to show it as a pure wysiwyg editor) but it has some drawbacks: - further from the xwiki community and thus harder for us to maintain it there - doesn't strengthen our xwiki project
2) would be great and I guess it would be a natural long-term evolution if the wysiwyg.xwiki.org project succeed in gathering a strong community. JV.
On Jan 5, 2009, at 6:15 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 6:13 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
This is not a priority (we need to finish our first stable release of the WYSIWYG editor first) but I wanted to propose 2 things and start a discussion on it:
* That we make our new GWT WYSIWYG editor a top level project (i.e. with a separate jira, separate wiki like http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org with a better name, etc) * Make it usable by someone who is not using XWiki
The rationale is: * If we want our editor to become strong and compete with the likes of FCKEditor/TinyMCE we need to open it up to others and for that we need to: - advertise it (hence the http://wysiwyg.xwiki.org that would lists all features same as http://www.fckeditor.net/) - make it be usable easily and thus without dragging xwiki dependencies
+1
Other options: 1) Don't do anything. Cons: we won't get enough help and it'll be hard to compete with other editors. They'll have more features/less bugs and we'll have a hard time keeping up. In addition it's possible someone else creates a new GWT WYSIWYG editor and it would be better if we could all join force on that and using what we have started 2) Externalize it on some forge other than the xwiki forge. This is nice from a marketing point of view (i.e. easier to show it as a pure wysiwyg editor) but it has some drawbacks: - further from the xwiki community and thus harder for us to maintain it there - doesn't strengthen our xwiki project
2) would be great and I guess it would be a natural long-term evolution if the wysiwyg.xwiki.org project succeed in gathering a strong community.
Maybe but not sure. The point is to host it on our forge since we have a forge... Why would we want to host somewhere else where we have a less good quality of service, where we don't control the tools, etc? :) Unless we join a community related to WYSIWYG or GWT and not a forge (SourceForge vs Apache Software Foundation for ex). Thanks -Vincent http://xwiki.com http://massol.net http://xwiki.org
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