[xwiki-devs] [VOTE] Allow multi-line headers
Hi devs, A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers? I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them. B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG? B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header). I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph). B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). I'm -0. B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it). I'm -0. Please cast your vote asap. Thanks, Marius.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them.
I'm -0. I don't think they're useful, but since they are already implemented it doesn't matter much.
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior. Guillaume
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
I'm -0.
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
I'm -0.
Please cast your vote asap.
Thanks, Marius. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
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On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them.
I'm -0. I don't think they're useful, but since they are already implemented it doesn't matter much.
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior.
Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency. Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck! Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
I'm -0.
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
I'm -0.
Please cast your vote asap.
Thanks, Marius.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them.
I'm -0. I don't think they're useful, but since they are already implemented it doesn't matter much.
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior.
Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck!
I think you are making a confusion between 2 situations: 1) The caret is within the header : HEAD|ER 2) The caret is at the end of the header : HEADER| In case 1) (which I believe is the one Marius was referring to), pressing enter once puts the header on 2 lines and pressing enter twice creates a new paragraph (consistent with what happens when pressing enter twice after the last item fo a list for instance). In case 2) (which is the one you are referring to), pressing enter indeed already creates a new paragraph. Is that correct Marius? Guillaume
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
I'm -0.
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
I'm -0.
Please cast your vote asap.
Thanks, Marius.
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Guillaume Lerouge Product Manager - XWiki Skype ID : wikibc http://blog.xwiki.com/
On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:02 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them.
I'm -0. I don't think they're useful, but since they are already implemented it doesn't matter much.
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior.
Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck!
I think you are making a confusion between 2 situations:
1) The caret is within the header : HEAD|ER 2) The caret is at the end of the header : HEADER|
In case 1) (which I believe is the one Marius was referring to), pressing enter once puts the header on 2 lines and pressing enter twice creates a new paragraph (consistent with what happens when pressing enter twice after the last item fo a list for instance).
In case 2) (which is the one you are referring to), pressing enter indeed already creates a new paragraph.
In which case I agree with keeping it as it is and supporting multi line headers in the rendering (which we've verified with Thomas is not the case right now). However I've just tried hitting enter at the end of a header and it moved to the next line using the same style... Thanks -Vincent
Is that correct Marius?
Guillaume
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
I'm -0.
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
I'm -0.
Please cast your vote asap.
Thanks, Marius.
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior. Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck!
This is somehow true for paragraphs. A MS Word user would expect to write on a new paragraph after pressing enter.
I think you are making a confusion between 2 situations:
1) The caret is within the header : HEAD|ER 2) The caret is at the end of the header : HEADER|
What is the difference? If you want to write a multi-line header you write it on a single line and then split it in multiple lines? In this particular case I fill it's a yes or no decision regarding multi-line headers. If the answer is yes then Enter inside or at the end of a header should generate only a new line.
In case 1) (which I believe is the one Marius was referring to), pressing enter once puts the header on 2 lines and pressing enter twice creates a new paragraph (consistent with what happens when pressing enter twice after the last item fo a list for instance).
In case 2) (which is the one you are referring to), pressing enter indeed already creates a new paragraph.
Is that correct Marius?
Currently only 1) is implemented.
Guillaume
On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior. Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck!
This is somehow true for paragraphs. A MS Word user would expect to write on a new paragraph after pressing enter.
I think you are making a confusion between 2 situations:
1) The caret is within the header : HEAD|ER 2) The caret is at the end of the header : HEADER|
What is the difference? If you want to write a multi-line header you write it on a single line and then split it in multiple lines?
In this particular case I fill it's a yes or no decision regarding multi-line headers. If the answer is yes then Enter inside or at the end of a header should generate only a new line.
I'm not sure about this Marius. I don't think we absolutely want a 1 to 1 mapping between wiki editor and wysiwyg editor. IMO the wysiwyg editor is for easy entering of text and it should behave as you expect it to behave. Can someone contradict me in my thinking that almost everyone (i.e. more than 90% of users) will think that after you hit enter at the end of a paragraph it'll go to next line using a para style? And if that's true I think we would be doing users a disservice by allowing multiline headers by using the enter key. Thanks -Vincent
In case 1) (which I believe is the one Marius was referring to), pressing enter once puts the header on 2 lines and pressing enter twice creates a new paragraph (consistent with what happens when pressing enter twice after the last item fo a list for instance).
In case 2) (which is the one you are referring to), pressing enter indeed already creates a new paragraph.
Is that correct Marius?
Currently only 1) is implemented.
Guillaume
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior. Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck!
This is somehow true for paragraphs. A MS Word user would expect to write on a new paragraph after pressing enter.
I think you are making a confusion between 2 situations:
1) The caret is within the header : HEAD|ER 2) The caret is at the end of the header : HEADER|
What is the difference? If you want to write a multi-line header you write it on a single line and then split it in multiple lines?
In this particular case I fill it's a yes or no decision regarding multi-line headers. If the answer is yes then Enter inside or at the end of a header should generate only a new line.
Ok. If we cannot separate both, I'm against multi-line headers as I think they do not make sense on the web (since the skin prevents us from knowing the page width in advance the way it can be done in OpenOffice.org or MS Word). I'm afraid allwoing multi-line headers will trigger weird situations from the user PoW (A 2 lines header showing up on 3 lines on a small resolution display for instance) + it doesn't add much value on the web anyway. So here's my -0 for multi-lines headers (it would be a -1 if it wasn't already implemented). I'm not sure about this Marius. I don't think we absolutely want a 1
to 1 mapping between wiki editor and wysiwyg editor. IMO the wysiwyg editor is for easy entering of text and it should behave as you expect it to behave.
Can someone contradict me in my thinking that almost everyone (i.e. more than 90% of users) will think that after you hit enter at the end of a paragraph it'll go to next line using a para style? And if that's true I think we would be doing users a disservice by allowing multiline headers by using the enter key.
I agree with Vincent here: hitting enter at the end of a header should start a new paragraph. Thus if we cannot separate cases 1) and 2) we should not allow creating multi-lines headers in the WYSIWYG editor. Guillaume
Thanks -Vincent
In case 1) (which I believe is the one Marius was referring to), pressing enter once puts the header on 2 lines and pressing enter twice creates a new paragraph (consistent with what happens when pressing enter twice after the last item fo a list for instance).
In case 2) (which is the one you are referring to), pressing enter indeed already creates a new paragraph.
Is that correct Marius?
Currently only 1) is implemented.
Guillaume
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On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
> B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in > the new > WYSIWYG? > > B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside > the > header (multi-line header). > > I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press > Enter > twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior. Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck!
This is somehow true for paragraphs. A MS Word user would expect to write on a new paragraph after pressing enter.
I think you are making a confusion between 2 situations:
1) The caret is within the header : HEAD|ER 2) The caret is at the end of the header : HEADER|
What is the difference? If you want to write a multi-line header you write it on a single line and then split it in multiple lines?
In this particular case I fill it's a yes or no decision regarding multi-line headers. If the answer is yes then Enter inside or at the end of a header should generate only a new line.
Ok. If we cannot separate both, I'm against multi-line headers as I think they do not make sense on the web
Quite the opposite... :) HTML H elements support multilines so it's a web thing!
(since the skin prevents us from knowing the page width in advance the way it can be done in OpenOffice.org or MS Word). I'm afraid allwoing multi-line headers will trigger weird situations from the user PoW (A 2 lines header showing up on 3 lines on a small resolution display for instance) + it doesn't add much value on the web anyway.
So here's my -0 for multi-lines headers (it would be a -1 if it wasn't already implemented).
Check the other email from Thomas.
I'm not sure about this Marius. I don't think we absolutely want a 1
to 1 mapping between wiki editor and wysiwyg editor. IMO the wysiwyg editor is for easy entering of text and it should behave as you expect it to behave.
Can someone contradict me in my thinking that almost everyone (i.e. more than 90% of users) will think that after you hit enter at the end of a paragraph it'll go to next line using a para style? And if that's true I think we would be doing users a disservice by allowing multiline headers by using the enter key.
I agree with Vincent here: hitting enter at the end of a header should start a new paragraph. Thus if we cannot separate cases 1) and 2) we should not allow creating multi-lines headers in the WYSIWYG editor.
I only said the first part, i.e that enter should create a para. We could still allow new lines in headers using shift+enter for ex. Since it's less well known key most users won't use it (and won't need it). Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
Thanks -Vincent
In case 1) (which I believe is the one Marius was referring to), pressing enter once puts the header on 2 lines and pressing enter twice creates a new paragraph (consistent with what happens when pressing enter twice after the last item fo a list for instance).
In case 2) (which is the one you are referring to), pressing enter indeed already creates a new paragraph.
Is that correct Marius?
Currently only 1) is implemented.
Guillaume
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:28 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < > [email protected]> wrote:
[snip]
>> B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in >> the new >> WYSIWYG? >> >> B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside >> the >> header (multi-line header). >> >> I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press >> Enter >> twice to generate a new paragraph). > > +1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with > the > "press > Enter twice" behavior. Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck!
This is somehow true for paragraphs. A MS Word user would expect to write on a new paragraph after pressing enter.
I think you are making a confusion between 2 situations:
1) The caret is within the header : HEAD|ER 2) The caret is at the end of the header : HEADER|
What is the difference? If you want to write a multi-line header you write it on a single line and then split it in multiple lines?
In this particular case I fill it's a yes or no decision regarding multi-line headers. If the answer is yes then Enter inside or at the end of a header should generate only a new line.
Ok. If we cannot separate both, I'm against multi-line headers as I think they do not make sense on the web
Quite the opposite... :)
HTML H elements support multilines so it's a web thing!
The fact that it can be done doesn't mean it should be done ;-) Anyway that's not the main issue here.
(since the skin prevents us from knowing the page width in advance the way it can be done in OpenOffice.org or MS Word). I'm afraid allwoing multi-line headers will trigger weird situations from the user PoW (A 2 lines header showing up on 3 lines on a small resolution display for instance) + it doesn't add much value on the web anyway.
So here's my -0 for multi-lines headers (it would be a -1 if it wasn't already implemented).
Check the other email from Thomas.
I'm not sure about this Marius. I don't think we absolutely want a 1
to 1 mapping between wiki editor and wysiwyg editor. IMO the wysiwyg editor is for easy entering of text and it should behave as you expect it to behave.
Can someone contradict me in my thinking that almost everyone (i.e. more than 90% of users) will think that after you hit enter at the end of a paragraph it'll go to next line using a para style? And if that's true I think we would be doing users a disservice by allowing multiline headers by using the enter key.
I agree with Vincent here: hitting enter at the end of a header should start a new paragraph. Thus if we cannot separate cases 1) and 2) we should not allow creating multi-lines headers in the WYSIWYG editor.
I only said the first part, i.e that enter should create a para. We could still allow new lines in headers using shift+enter for ex. Since it's less well known key most users won't use it (and won't need it).
I'm ok with this approach as well: - Hitting enter in or at the end of a header generates a new paragraph - Hitting shift + enter generates a multi-line header Guillaume
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
Thanks -Vincent
In case 1) (which I believe is the one Marius was referring to), pressing enter once puts the header on 2 lines and pressing enter twice creates a new paragraph (consistent with what happens when pressing enter twice after the last item fo a list for instance).
In case 2) (which is the one you are referring to), pressing enter indeed already creates a new paragraph.
Is that correct Marius?
Currently only 1) is implemented.
Guillaume
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Vincent Massol wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 3:13 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:57 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote: [snip]
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph). +1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior. Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck! This is somehow true for paragraphs. A MS Word user would expect to write on a new paragraph after pressing enter.
I think you are making a confusion between 2 situations:
1) The caret is within the header : HEAD|ER 2) The caret is at the end of the header : HEADER|
What is the difference? If you want to write a multi-line header you write it on a single line and then split it in multiple lines?
In this particular case I fill it's a yes or no decision regarding multi-line headers. If the answer is yes then Enter inside or at the end of a header should generate only a new line.
I'm not sure about this Marius. I don't think we absolutely want a 1 to 1 mapping between wiki editor and wysiwyg editor. IMO the wysiwyg editor is for easy entering of text and it should behave as you expect it to behave.
Can someone contradict me in my thinking that almost everyone (i.e. more than 90% of users) will think that after you hit enter at the end of a paragraph it'll go to next line using a para style? And if that's
"using a para style" can mean both a new paragraph and a new line inside the same paragraph.
true I think we would be doing users a disservice by allowing multiline headers by using the enter key.
I can change it if we all agree. I'm +0 right now.
Thanks -Vincent
In case 1) (which I believe is the one Marius was referring to), pressing enter once puts the header on 2 lines and pressing enter twice creates a new paragraph (consistent with what happens when pressing enter twice after the last item fo a list for instance).
In case 2) (which is the one you are referring to), pressing enter indeed already creates a new paragraph.
Is that correct Marius? Currently only 1) is implemented.
Guillaume
devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Vincent Massol wrote:
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:29 PM, Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea < [email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them.
I'm -0. I don't think they're useful, but since they are already implemented it doesn't matter much.
-0
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
+1 for this one since it's what we have and it's consistent with the "press Enter twice" behavior.
Can you explain why it's "consistent"? I don't understand the consistency.
Imagine you're on a header. You've finished typing it and you press enter. You start typing your text to realize you're not in a paragraph. You select the text you've typed and click in the toolbar to select the paragraph style. Yuck!
+1 for Vincent's comment. Which users expect to still be in a header after pressing enter? I certainly don't. -1 for B1
Thanks -Vincent
Guillaume
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
I'm -0.
+1
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
I'm -0.
-1 -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
On Dec 29, 2008, at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them.
+1 if there's no grammar issue. I thought we were supporting this already. Thomas is checking.
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
-0 since it doesn't match user's expectations IMO
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
I'm -0.
+1 I believe this is what users are expecting (the para when you press enter in a header)
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
-0 Thanks -Vincent
I'm -0.
Please cast your vote asap.
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Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them.
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
Indeed, from a user pov, this does not make too much sense. All headings are titles of some sort and you wouldn't add a new line in a title that often, right? however, double enter for paragraph is efficient and consistent with the bahaviour in paragraphs (users would "learn" that double enter means "new unit" (new para, etc)).
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
I'm -0.
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
I'm -0.
As for B2 and B3, indeed, B3 sounds better: 2 headings of the same level but then how would you add the paragraphs in between? You'd need to type stuff in and then change the formatting? a little uncomfortable, so, even if it's not very nice, I think we could make a difference on the position of the cursor: B2) if cursor is at the end of text since that what users would expect (with B1 on Shift + Enter) B3) if cursor is inside text (with B1 on Shift + Enter). However, I think B1) is _good enough_ so, _for now_, +1 for B1), +0 for B2) and B3). Happy coding, Anca Luca
Please cast your vote asap.
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On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Marius Dumitru Florea <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
I'm +0. Wikimodel, HTML and Open Office support them.
+1, see also http://markmail.org/message/dttfy27h64kkieca
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
I'm +1 since it's already done (We agreed that you have to press Enter twice to generate a new paragraph).
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
+1, this is what I expect in an editor like in OpenOffice or MSWord.
I'm -0.
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
I'm -0.
Please cast your vote asap.
Thanks, Marius. _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
-- Thomas Mortagne
Marius Dumitru Florea wrote:
Hi devs,
A) Should xwiki/2.0 support multi-line headers?
B) What should happen when you press Enter inside a header in the new WYSIWYG?
B1) Currently, the text is moved on a new line, but still inside the header (multi-line header).
B2) Text is moved in a new paragraph, below the header. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1).
B3) Text is moved in a new header of the same level, below the current one. Shift+Enter would have the effect described in B1). This is what Open Office does (and we agreed not to follow it).
+1 for A -1 for B1 +1 for B2 (I think this is the expected normal behavior in an editor) -1 for B3 -Fabio
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Fabio Mancinelli <[email protected]> wrote:
+1 for A -1 for B1 +1 for B2 (I think this is the expected normal behavior in an editor) -1 for B3
Same votes for me. Thanks, JV.
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Anca Paula Luca -
Fabio Mancinelli -
Guillaume Lerouge -
Jean-Vincent Drean -
Marius Dumitru Florea -
Sergiu Dumitriu -
Thomas Mortagne -
Vincent Massol