Hi Roman, I admit I have read your presentation in fast-forward, but I noticed you mentioned content (photo, text, audio and video) analysis. Not sure if you know about it, but maybe you could be interested in Scribo [1][2][3]. It's an open source framework, developed as research project by XWiki SAS and partners, that focuses on knowledge extraction from unstructured content. It was finished at the beginning of 2011 and an XWiki integration [1, minute 10:16] also exists. The integration could use some minor updating but, eventually, it should end up on extensions.xwiki.org. If you are interested, we could use some help in brushing it up and finding some relevant annotators to wrap or just plug in that would enrich the XWiki experience. Hope this was useful. Thanks, Eduard References: ----------------- [1] Video Demo: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xe1tk3_scribo-framework-and-integrations-d_... [2] Project website: http://www.scribo.ws [3] Code : https://bitbucket.org/fmancinelli/scribo/ On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Roman Muntyanu <[email protected]>wrote:
Hello Ludovic,
It took me a month to gather all of the material in one place, so sorry for delay with the reply :) I've prepared a presentation describing my vision of how collaboration wikis will change in next few decades http://prezi.com/nymm70tfdird/next-gen-collaboration-wikis/ Hope that effort was not in vain, and you will find something useful that will help to make XWiki better.
Regards, Roman
-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ludovic Dubost Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 18:27 PM To: XWiki Users Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Extending XWiki collaboration toolset
I'm not so positive about this. The technology behind the LibreOffice Online version is a bit tricky and it's not clear how it will work effectively. We should wait and see.
Some thing for Wave, it's not clear how it will be developped in the future and it seems that the Google experience had shown that the way they mixed Inbox + Editing Documents + Chat was not the correct solution (beyond the real time technology in it).
In any case integrating editors for advanced formats is definitively interesting and is something we should look at. We have the Resilience Research Project (starting in 2012) on which it is planned to work on Rich Web Editors. More on it will come before the end of the year. It will include work on Spreadsheet editors. If anybody knows of good Web based editors for popular formats that we should look at, tell us.
As for real-time this is very interesting also. We have the Wiki 3.0 project (https://wiki30.xwikisas.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome in French) where XWiki SAS is doing some work with the INRIA LORIA on integrating real time in the Wysiwyg editor (with technologies similar to Wave). This is work in progress.
I'd love to hear from our devs and users what they think we should have in this area ?
Ludovic
2011/10/18 Guillaume Lerouge <[email protected]>
Hi,
I think that this is an interesting and valid point. In the same way that users can get a preview of OOo-supported attached files right now, we could integrate use OOo's upcoming HTML5 version in XWiki (when it's ready). From this article:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/17/libreoffice_porting_ios_androi d_cloud/ :
*The LibreOffice Online cloud software is built around HTML5 Canvas and the GTK+ framework with JavaScript shims, and was developed by SUSE's GTK+ Michael Meeks and RedHat's Alex Laarson. It allows complex text layout, large spreadsheets, WYSIWYG editing, VBA macros, and pivot tables, with the server side taking almost the entire processor load.*
So that would seem to answer your initial issue :-) You could upload a .odt file, edit it online from the wiki, save it and it would be viewable from the wiki or re-downloadable at will.
Guillaume
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Eugen Colesnicov <[email protected]
wrote:
coldserenity wrote:
... the UX of the Wave (in this particular case and because Wave is
a
specialized tool) is superior.
I am not agree with you. Good idea - but realisation - terrible! 1. Google used some special interface functions - they thinking, that these possibilities will be web-standarts - but they got a mistake. For this reason, Wave working quickly and without problems only on Google Chrome (only this browser supports all these non-standart functions). 2. Try Wave with Firefox at simple computer (netbook for example) - cannot work on big waves (hundred messages)!!! I press one button and waiting 3-5 secunds per each symbol. It is not problem of notebook - Windows 7, MS Office working great and quickly! 3. Too many errors on scripts - every 5 minutes I got error - script bla-bla-bla stopped!
I have experience with Google Wave with big waves of hundreds waves - for this reason I known what I said.
However it's not the Wave I was trying to promote by this thread, it was just an example of advanced user interaction User-to-User and User-to-Wiki: advanced documents editing for most popular types of documents (text, spreadsheet, and presentation). I understand the complexity of this task (it took 20 years for Microsoft to build their MS Office), but the question is: I often consider whether to upload a MS Office file as an attachment or maintain the file's content as an XWiki page - and sooner or later someone will come up with such solution ( Open-source wiki + Open-Source Google Docs :) ). So it's not about writing some missing extension - it's about taking XWiki to the next level in terms of content editing.
Roman
-----Original Message----- From: users-bounces@ [mailto:users-bounces@] On Behalf Of Eugen Colesnicov Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 20:46 PM To: users@ Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Extending XWiki collaboration toolset
Hi! I am not a developer of XWiki, but I am using XWiki 2 years and your questions are closed to me.
1. Wave is a new project (as a apache open-source project). It is started as a Google Wave, after Google "forgot it" and Wave migrated to the apache incubator. As I know for now - Wave as a independent open-source project didn't realise yet in production - for this reason, developers of other platforms right now cannot be sure exactly of future API, future functionality and other things of Wave ... Discuss about integration with it can be started after Wave will be released in a production.
2. XWiki is not only a final user-product "from the box" - is a "base" of your possible product (application). And regarding to "collaboration" XWiki can give to users more and more. For example, as a small comparison with Google Wave: - In XWiki you can add "pages" - same in Wave you can add "waves" - In XWiki you can write any comments to this page and comments to the comments (tree organized). - In XWiki you can sent messages inside XWiki - In XWiki you can attach any files to this page and you can organize view content of this files using officeviewer macro, also existing pictire viewing and charts drawing ... - In XWiki you can add tasks to this page (exist special macro) - In XWiki you can connect this page to other pages (wiki, documentation, etc) - In XWiki you can construct personal dashboards and gadgets - Also existing light calculations. If you need more calculations - you can write own macro ... What else exists in Google Wave and don't exists in XWiki? I don't know ... (maybe another idea of interface). XWiki give you more - because you can add additional macros, add additional functionality (for example blogs, forums, etc). For this reason, I think, that XWiki is enought for colaboration. Difference from Google Wave - that you need to "construct" in XWiki you own "application". You can see examples of such applications: http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Chronopolys
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