[xwiki-devs] Blog terminology
What is the best term: 1. blog post 2. blog article 3. blog entry Others? -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
On Nov 7, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
What is the best term:
1. blog post 2. blog article 3. blog entry Others?
Answer: http://www.meryl.net/2007/04/blog-vs-postentry/ To summarize one *posts* *entries* in their blog and entries can be *articles*, polls, bookmarks, etc. post = the act of adding an entry entry = the blog item being added article = one type of blog entry content Thus I propose to use "blog entry". WDYT? Thanks -Vincent
Hi, On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 7, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
What is the best term:
1. blog post 2. blog article 3. blog entry Others?
Answer: http://www.meryl.net/2007/04/blog-vs-postentry/
To summarize one *posts* *entries* in their blog and entries can be *articles*, polls, bookmarks, etc.
post = the act of adding an entry entry = the blog item being added article = one type of blog entry content
Thus I propose to use "blog entry".
Wordpress lets users write new posts. Thus I'd go for "blog post". "Blog entry" doesn't sound as intuitive to me. Guillaume
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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I`m thinking of the action the user is doing; so, how would it sound better in the user's mind: - Make a new blog post or - Post a new (blog entry / entry in the blog) Think of the common expression "log entry". A Blog, as earlier stated is a Web Log so, the obvious choice for me would be "blog entry". I`m +1 for "blog entry" and the action of posting. Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 7, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
What is the best term:
1. blog post 2. blog article 3. blog entry Others?
Answer: http://www.meryl.net/2007/04/blog-vs-postentry/
To summarize one *posts* *entries* in their blog and entries can be *articles*, polls, bookmarks, etc.
post = the act of adding an entry entry = the blog item being added article = one type of blog entry content
Thus I propose to use "blog entry".
Wordpress lets users write new posts. Thus I'd go for "blog post". "Blog entry" doesn't sound as intuitive to me.
Guillaume
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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Hi, On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]>wrote:
I`m thinking of the action the user is doing; so, how would it sound better in the user's mind: - Make a new blog post or - Post a new (blog entry / entry in the blog)
Think of the common expression "log entry". A Blog, as earlier stated is a Web Log so, the obvious choice for me would be "blog entry".
I`m +1 for "blog entry" and the action of posting.
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 7, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
What is the best term:
1. blog post 2. blog article 3. blog entry Others?
Answer: http://www.meryl.net/2007/04/blog-vs-postentry/
To summarize one *posts* *entries* in their blog and entries can be *articles*, polls, bookmarks, etc.
post = the act of adding an entry entry = the blog item being added article = one type of blog entry content
Thus I propose to use "blog entry".
Blogger uses "post". Wordpress uses "blog post". Typepad uses "blog post". Movable type uses "entry". Seems to me that "post" has an edge here... Guillaume
Wordpress lets users write new posts. Thus I'd go for "blog post". "Blog entry" doesn't sound as intuitive to me.
Guillaume
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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Eduard Moraru wrote:
I`m thinking of the action the user is doing; so, how would it sound better in the user's mind: - Make a new blog post or - Post a new (blog entry / entry in the blog)
Think of the common expression "log entry". A Blog, as earlier stated is a Web Log so, the obvious choice for me would be "blog entry".
I`m +1 for "blog entry" and the action of posting.
+1 for *posting* a new *entry*, which also allow us to potentially refer actions (to post) and items (entries) in the same sentence, while keeping consistency and not repeating same word (posting a new post would not sound good). Since *there* already is an existing terminology and really, the users would understand it no matter how we'd put it (for them there is no such a difference between post and entry and article), I think we could close this one quite fast. Happy coding, Anca Luca
Guillaume Lerouge wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:11 AM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 7, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
What is the best term:
1. blog post 2. blog article 3. blog entry Others?
Answer: http://www.meryl.net/2007/04/blog-vs-postentry/
To summarize one *posts* *entries* in their blog and entries can be *articles*, polls, bookmarks, etc.
post = the act of adding an entry entry = the blog item being added article = one type of blog entry content
Thus I propose to use "blog entry".
Wordpress lets users write new posts. Thus I'd go for "blog post". "Blog entry" doesn't sound as intuitive to me.
Guillaume
WDYT?
Thanks -Vincent
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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]> wrote:
I`m thinking of the action the user is doing; so, how would it sound better in the user's mind: - Make a new blog post or - Post a new (blog entry / entry in the blog)
Thinking about the action the user is doing I prefer "Write a new blog post" to "Post a new entry". Posting a new entry sounds too techie to me. +1 for blog post. JV.
On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Eduard Moraru <[email protected]
wrote: I`m thinking of the action the user is doing; so, how would it sound better in the user's mind: - Make a new blog post or - Post a new (blog entry / entry in the blog)
Thinking about the action the user is doing I prefer "Write a new blog post" to "Post a new entry". Posting a new entry sounds too techie to me.
I'd even prefer "Create" rather than "Write" ;) "Create blog entry" sounds clearer to me than "Create blog post". A blog post is the entry when it's been posted. You can't create a blog post since it's not yet been posted :) Thanks -Vincent
+1 for blog post.
JV.
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Thinking about the action the user is doing I prefer "Write a new blog post" to "Post a new entry". Posting a new entry sounds too techie to me.
I'd even prefer "Create" rather than "Write" ;)
"Create blog entry" sounds clearer to me than "Create blog post". A blog post is the entry when it's been posted.
So, let's compare "Create blog entry" and "Write a new blog post". Your proposal make me see a "Create blog entry" button in some menu, then a "Create" button in the creation form. I'd prefer to see a "Write a new blog post" button and then a "Publish" button, this seems more "humane" to me.
You can't create a blog post since it's not yet been posted :)
And if you create a blog entry it still have to be written :) Our framework must be generic but I don't see why our terminologies should. I like when a software terminology refers to more IRL stuff, I prefer "people" to "users", I prefer to have a dock than a taskbar, and when it comes to write something (note/blog post/message) I like to see the word "Write" not "Create" :) ps : When I'm talking to someone I tend to say "Have you seen the last post on AnyGeekyBlog", not "Have you seen the last entry on AnyGeekyDatabase^WBlog". JV.
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Thinking about the action the user is doing I prefer "Write a new blog post" to "Post a new entry". Posting a new entry sounds too techie to me. I'd even prefer "Create" rather than "Write" ;)
"Create blog entry" sounds clearer to me than "Create blog post". A blog post is the entry when it's been posted.
So, let's compare "Create blog entry" and "Write a new blog post". Your proposal make me see a "Create blog entry" button in some menu, then a "Create" button in the creation form. I'd prefer to see a "Write a new blog post" button and then a "Publish" button, this seems more "humane" to me.
You can't create a blog post since it's not yet been posted :)
And if you create a blog entry it still have to be written :)
Our framework must be generic but I don't see why our terminologies should. I like when a software terminology refers to more IRL stuff, I prefer "people" to "users", I prefer to have a dock than a taskbar, and when it comes to write something (note/blog post/message) I like to see the word "Write" not "Create" :)
Yep, for the humans, +1 !
ps : When I'm talking to someone I tend to say "Have you seen the last post on AnyGeekyBlog", not "Have you seen the last entry on AnyGeekyDatabase^WBlog".
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I started writing a rebuttal to each point JV raised but I ended up dumping it since I can see we're never going to agree. To be honest, from my side I don't really care. My answer was only following logic and English word semantics (that's why I referred to that blog article - In that case it was an article, which is btw way more "Human" than "post") but we can't agree for several reasons, one of them being that the majority of us are not native English speaking and thus our perceptions of the words are skewed from the onset. The other being that some of us favor word meanings while others favor word perceptions. I'll leave it to you guys to decide but please don't make this process too long, it's not worth it. Thanks -Vincent On Nov 8, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Jerome Velociter wrote:
Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Vincent Massol <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:55 PM, Jean-Vincent Drean wrote:
Thinking about the action the user is doing I prefer "Write a new blog post" to "Post a new entry". Posting a new entry sounds too techie to me. I'd even prefer "Create" rather than "Write" ;)
"Create blog entry" sounds clearer to me than "Create blog post". A blog post is the entry when it's been posted.
So, let's compare "Create blog entry" and "Write a new blog post". Your proposal make me see a "Create blog entry" button in some menu, then a "Create" button in the creation form. I'd prefer to see a "Write a new blog post" button and then a "Publish" button, this seems more "humane" to me.
You can't create a blog post since it's not yet been posted :)
And if you create a blog entry it still have to be written :)
Our framework must be generic but I don't see why our terminologies should. I like when a software terminology refers to more IRL stuff, I prefer "people" to "users", I prefer to have a dock than a taskbar, and when it comes to write something (note/blog post/message) I like to see the word "Write" not "Create" :)
Yep, for the humans, +1 !
ps : When I'm talking to someone I tend to say "Have you seen the last post on AnyGeekyBlog", not "Have you seen the last entry on AnyGeekyDatabase^WBlog".
JV.
"Thinking about the action the user is doing I prefer "Write a new blog post" to "Post a new entry". Posting a new entry sounds too techie to me."
"Publish a new entry" ??? So, let's compare "Create blog entry" and "Write a new blog post".
Your proposal make me see a "Create blog entry" button in some menu, then a "Create" button in the creation form. I'd prefer to see a "Write a new blog post" button and then a "Publish" button, this seems more "humane" to me.
I don't understand why you don't agree to this option: "Create blog entry" -> "Publish" All this actions: "*Create*" | "Write" | "Add" | "Make", "*Publish*" | "Post" ..., "*View*", "*Edit*" | "Modify" ..., "*Delete*" | "Erase" | "Trash" ..., "*Comment*" can be applied to either "entry" or "post". [ Post <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/post> vs. Entry<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entry>] -> Trend<http://www.google.com/trends?q=blog+post%2C+blog+entry&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0> *Post: *Computers: a) message that is sent to a newsgroup; b) text that is placed on a Web site. *Entry: *(syn: submission) something (manuscripts or architectural plans and models or estimates or works of art of all genres etc.) submitted for the judgment of others (as in a competition); "several of his submissions were rejected by publishers"; "what was the date of submission of your proposal?" "Post" seems to be more popular because it's used by Blogger, etc. but I would prefer "entry".
Hey people, don't fight for this ;) {{ teacher-mode }} Just think human behavior, be pragmatic and just paste human actions on your technical architecture... What do you want the user do? 1) click on a button in order to create/write a new Blog entry/post 2) write something in it 3) click on another button to post/publish the new Entry/post on the Blog So just propose these actions and try to find a sentence to represent it in English with popular words and lets see how it sounds on a real blod. If users are not happy with the sentence, you will change it. Moreover, I would say that in each language, it will be translated differently with something not like entry or post... So don't need to spend time on this... Create a new entry Create a new post Write a new post etc... Post it Publish it etc... Whatever :) {{ teacher-mode }} regards Pascal On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 9:13 AM, Ecaterina Valica <[email protected]> wrote:
"Thinking about the action the user is doing I prefer "Write a new blog post" to "Post a new entry". Posting a new entry sounds too techie to me."
"Publish a new entry" ???
So, let's compare "Create blog entry" and "Write a new blog post".
Your proposal make me see a "Create blog entry" button in some menu, then a "Create" button in the creation form. I'd prefer to see a "Write a new blog post" button and then a "Publish" button, this seems more "humane" to me.
I don't understand why you don't agree to this option: "Create blog entry" -> "Publish"
All this actions: "*Create*" | "Write" | "Add" | "Make", "*Publish*" | "Post" ..., "*View*", "*Edit*" | "Modify" ..., "*Delete*" | "Erase" | "Trash" ..., "*Comment*" can be applied to either "entry" or "post".
[ Post <http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/post> vs. Entry<http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/entry>] -> Trend< http://www.google.com/trends?q=blog+post%2C+blog+entry&ctab=0&geo=all&date=a...
*Post: *Computers: a) message that is sent to a newsgroup; b) text that is placed on a Web site.
*Entry: *(syn: submission) something (manuscripts or architectural plans and models or estimates or works of art of all genres etc.) submitted for the judgment of others (as in a competition); "several of his submissions were rejected by publishers"; "what was the date of submission of your proposal?"
"Post" seems to be more popular because it's used by Blogger, etc. but I would prefer "entry". _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
Vincent Massol wrote:
On Nov 7, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Sergiu Dumitriu wrote:
What is the best term:
1. blog post 2. blog article 3. blog entry Others?
Answer: http://www.meryl.net/2007/04/blog-vs-postentry/
To summarize one *posts* *entries* in their blog and entries can be *articles*, polls, bookmarks, etc.
post = the act of adding an entry entry = the blog item being added article = one type of blog entry content
Thus I propose to use "blog entry".
WDYT?
Totally agree. Sorry Guillaume, you're in minority. -- Sergiu Dumitriu http://purl.org/net/sergiu/
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Sergiu Dumitriu -
Vincent Massol