20 May
2010
20 May
'10
6:21 p.m.
Hi,
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 18:18, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
A small variation for Version 3
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3AProposal
Changes:
- improved the display of inheritance of rights within a role
description;
- emphasize the display of "Inherited"|"Allow"|"Deny" by
using color and
icon representation.
For Rights version 4 I'll remove the concept of Role.
Just for the record, I like this version a lot and I think having Roles
makes a lot of sense.
Looking forward to your nest iteration, I'm sure it will be even better :-)
Guillaume
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 15:30, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 21:04, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
> On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 16:33, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Denis,
> >
> > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 16:52, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 12:39, Ecaterina Valica <valicac(a)gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 18:29, Denis Gervalle <dgl(a)softec.lu>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 17:08, Guillaume Lerouge <
> > guillaume(a)xwiki.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:03, Ecaterina Valica <
> valicac(a)gmail.com
> > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've reviewed some of your feedback and added them
to Rights
> > > > Management
> > > > > > UI
> > > > > > > Proposal *VERSION 3*:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Partial Prototype*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Wiki Level:
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Wiki
> > > > > > > - Space Level:
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space
> > > > > > > - Page Level:
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Page
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *Desired Interaction*
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Caty
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I like the separation between rights definition and rights
> > > affectation.
> > > > > > Only
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Nice indeed, but I do not understand how it could fits with
> current
> > > > > implementation.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > downside -> inherited rights are displayed less clearly
than
> what
> > > they
> > > > > were
> > > > > > in version 2.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > and I do not see any inherited information anymore.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > For example, in Space Level
> > > > http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Space
> > > > the text in yellow represents the inherited users and inherited
> roles
> > > from
> > > > upper level.
> > > >
> > > > The text in black (evalica with Reviewer and the Reviewer
> definition)
> > is
> > > > specified only for this level.
> > > >
> > > > After the save the added "Reviewer" right is gonna look like
this:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://localhost:8084/xwiki/bin/download/Improvements/Rights3Proposal/addU6…
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for these precision, I have better understand your idea.
> > (Personally
> > > I have some difficulties with colors (partially color blind), so
> > > information
> > > based on colors is not always easy for me.)
> > >
> >
> > So you're a great test candidate :). I also received a mail from Roman
> (he
> > wanted icons to represent rights), so what I can do for you is to try
a
> > version with color + little icon to
represent
> "Inherited"|"Allow"|"Deny". I
> > will think about it.
> >
>
> I think that could be nice to have more visual than color information
> for inheritance. The way it was in proposal 2 was fine, since this was
> more
> intensity than color.
> And I will be pleased to be your candidate. Be careful that using icons
> for
> representing specific rights could add complexity when (later)
components
> add new rights dynamically.
>
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So, proposal 3 seems less interesting than proposal 2. I do not
> see
> > > what
> > > > it
> > > > > solves based on previous comments either.
> > > > > Caty, could you explain further your goals with this proposal ?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I tried in proposal 3 to make it more easy to use. People told me
> that
> > > they
> > > > didn't understood the "Containing Spaces/Pages" so
I've removed
it.
> > > > This proposal gives the users
the possibility to create Roles that
> can
> > > have
> > > > semantically value to them and thus making the rights more easy to
> use.
> > > >
> > > > This proposal accommodates the case: "Not sure it's scalable.
In
the
> > > future
> > > > applications/components will be able to register new rights".
> > > > Having the rights displayed vertically and only on Add, makes the
UI
> > more
> > > > scalable, and in the code we could add as many rights as we would
> want.
> > > > Also
> > > > the spaces is now more economical having just
"Allow"/"Deny"
> columns.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I completely agree that proposal 3 is clearer. The problem is that
> > > your samples and the structure of this proposal are really far from
> > current
> > > implementation.
> > > Proposal 2 were fitting better but the samples where also not
> realistic
> > and
> > > remarks from Thomas about global wiki users should also be
integrated.
> > >
> >
> > About Thomas feedback, don't you like
> >
> >
>
http://incubator.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Improvements/Rights3Proposal#HN…
> > ?
> >
> >
> > >
> > > So, I am puzzle by your goals here. Aren't we going too fast ?
> > > Since there is very poor documentation about the way XWiki rights
> works
> > (I
> > > would be happy to improve that, but it will require some time), I
have
> > the
> > > impression that there is a important misunderstanding of how
> inheritance
> > is
> > > effectively applied. So the design of a proper UI is not easy. I
have
> > also
> > > read the draft of Sergiu that aims to improve the documentation, but
> > either
> > > I have not understand it or it does not describe current behavior.
> > >
> > > So the question is for me, are we designing this UI to think about
> future
> > > possibilities or to replace the current UI ?
> > >
> >
> >
> > My purpose is "to make rights easy to use at last". IMO this means do
> > whatever it takes to make them "easy to use" :) I try to base my
> proposal
> > on
> > existing code, but I never disregard new functionalities that I can
add
> if
> > this means the UI and experience is gonna be improved.
> >
> > The only thing Rights version 3 is adding is the "Role" part, which
is
> some
> > kind of groups for rights. If the solution given is gonna be
convincing
> > enough to be use in the rights part (not
yet .... but maybe some
version
> of
> > it) I'm sure there will be someone that is gonna want to implement it.
> > Until
> > then I will continue to prototype and find out how we can add all that
> > functionality in one place.
> >
>
> Well, this precisely the grouping of right that is a big change.
> Currently,
> right are inherit individually, not as a group.
> Moreover, the inheritance is a little bit particular, since allowing a
> given
> right at lower level, will deny that same right for anybody else even if
> this right is allowed at a higher level.
> Said another way, once an allowance for a given right has been found and
> you
> are not part of it, you are denied.
> Of course, there is an exception to this rules regarding global admin
> rights, these ones are evaluated before and gets priority.
>
> I would agree if you find this to be not the correct way of evaluating
> right, but this is the way it works since the beginning. There is also
an
> option to evaluate rights based on a
hierarchy of spaces, but this one
is
> usually disabled. It will probably be revived
when such hierarchy of
space
> are bring back using the new reference
model.
>
> So, I am convinced that current right management is poor, but changing
it
will
require important changes, and time.
Hope you get a better idea of my concerns. For detailled information on
how
rights are processed, you may want to have a look at
http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Drafts/XWikiRightServiceReversed.
This
is really bare documentation of the code, but it tells the truths.
Denis, thanks for the extra info
Caty
Denis
And yes... I need to focus more on the inheritance again.
Thanks,
Caty
> Denis
>
>
> > Thanks,
> > Caty
> >
> > >
> > > Denis
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Also, a drop-down might be better than an autosuggest when
selecting
> > > which
> > > > right should be added to a role.
> > > >
> > > > Guillaume
> > > >
> > > >
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