Re: [xwiki-users] This object is currently locked by - section editing

W dniu 10-11-13 09:50, Ricardo Rodriguez [eBioTIC.] wrote: > > > Piotr Dziubecki wrote: >> W dniu 10-11-04 21:28, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: >> >>> Piotr Dziubecki wrote: >>> >>>> W dniu 10-11-04 12:13, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> Piotr Dziubecki wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> W dniu 10-11-04 11:08, [Ricardo Rodriguez] eBioTIC. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Piotr Dziubecki wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hello :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I configured my XWiki instance in the following way: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #-# This parameter will activate the sectional editing. >>>>>>>> xwiki.section.edit=1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> #-# This parameter controls the depth of sections that have section editing. >>>>>>>> #-# By default level 1 and level 2 sections have section editing. >>>>>>>> xwiki.section.depth=6 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have many users working on documents simultaneously and in order to minimize document locking and possible >>>>>>>> merging I encourage them to edit sections/paragraphs instead. I noticed that when, for instance, two users >>>>>>>> edit different sections within the same page, the latter gets the message: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This object is currently locked by user1 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I checked and it's possible to force editing and save both of concurrent changes to that document, but the >>>>>>>> message itself is a bit confusing to the users. I'm asking if it's possible to change xwiki configuration to >>>>>>>> not display that message when the users edit different paragraphs within the same page ? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> To the best of my understanding locking is set a document level. So, if >>>>>>> any user edits a section, all other users will receive that message. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think what you are doing is a bit risky. I've had here some problems >>>>>>> following the same problem. When an user received this message, although >>>>>>> she/he is editing only a section, there is no way of knowing if they are >>>>>>> in the same section or in a different one. Even more, if you edit a >>>>>>> document using the same user at two different locations, you won't >>>>>>> receive the locking message. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, I came from the Media Wiki and section editing is pretty popular way of collaborative editing ( >>>>>> avoiding the whole page locks ). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I also arrives to XWiki from MediaWiki years ago. So, with the current >>>>> MediaWiki release, is it possible to do section edition and get a >>>>> warning only if two users edit the same section? >>>>> >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> >>>> To be sure, I did some tests here: >>>> >>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Sandbox >>>> >>>> no warnings, you can even edit the same section but then you'll need to get through the merge phase. In that >>>> case you see such a message: >>>> >>>> Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it. The upper text area contains the page text >>>> as it currently exists. Your changes are shown in the lower text area. You will have to merge your changes >>>> into the existing text. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Well, I don't see this blocking behaviour working with MediaWiki >>> sandbox... I don't know why! In any case, MediaWiki is not the case here! >>> >>> Just summing up: >>> >> >> Thanks for that summary, let me comment on your thoughts: >> >> >> >>> 1. Simultaneous edition is possible, but not advisable with the current >>> XWiki release. >>> >> >> Yes, especially that there is no merge phase after concurrent editing ( or maybe there is a 'merge plugin' - >> I'd be grateful for any info on that ). In that case you end up with the article content overridden by >> someone else and your only hope is to dig in the document's history and try to fix edits manually. >> >> >>> 2. Locking is done at document level. >>> >> >> Is that going to change in the future ? In my opinion that basically blocks user groups/communities from >> working on the documents in a collaborative way. Is it much work to make that lock 'section sensitive', >> architecture-wise ? If someone could describe what should be done / changed in order to achieve that, maybe >> we could figure out a solution for that issue. >> >> >> >>> 3. A true real-time edition editor for XWiki is on its way and will >>> solve all these issues! >>> >> >> Well, it could be, but it's based on the js/ajax - it could be tricky to achieve a good level of >> compatibility between browsers ( of course it could be done, Google docs is a good example here ). Of course >> I'd take that right away in the stable form. But I think merging/lock on the section level could be more >> than enough for the ordinary wiki users ( Wikipedia is basing on that model on a huge scale and it's doing >> fine ;) ) >> >> >>> It will be great if some developer or more skilled user could review >>> this statements to confirm/deny/complete them! Thanks! >>> >> >> I concur. Currently I'm struggling to figure out how to get over that problem. I can tell my users just to >> ignore the lock message, but that is not super safe and could cause a content loss/corruption. >> >> Looking forward to your feedback guys ! >> > > I do agree with you, Piotr. In fact, when I present XWiki to a new group > of users, this is the question I would like to avoid: how XWiki manage > concurrent edition? > > I talk about locking behaviour and a future real-time editor, but this > is not a good answer at all. To use instant messaging to agree on a > timetable to edit a document is what we currently do here. But it is a > solution out of XWiki (even though it is not costly at all as we use > instant messaging extensively in our research groups) and I don't like > to propose this kind of workarounds as I'm trying to show how to use > XWiki to collaborative writing among other uses. > > I'm a bit surprised of being discussing this issue here as we are > already in a 2.7.z release of XWiki. Perhaps I'm missing something, but > I am not able to find an answer either. > > Thanks for your thoughts! Exactly the same feelings on my side, Ricardo are you a member of XWiki team ? I see you're pretty active over the xwiki users list, is it possible get some attention to that matter ? I am willing to help with that since it is crucial for me and my projects, I'd need some guidance from where to start ( feature request ? some analysis in the context of the whole system, implementation phase ).