22 Feb
2007
22 Feb
'07
3:42 p.m.
Hi,
Blank lines being handled by the Wiki syntax is something that needs to
be voted for. It can have some side effects on existing pages that can
be very problematic. We might want to have a preference
activating/deactivating the feature so that migration could be eased.
Originally carriage return are not handled in Wiki syntax because
otherwise your text was very hard to read. Older textarea where not even
doing automatic carriage returns so your text would have been in one
line. It's true that we could change this now.
Now let's see the current status and what we could change:
1/ Handling of all carriage returns in the wiki syntax as BR
Current status: not done
Possible change: do it
Possible consequences: breaking existing layouts, breaking conversion
from WYSIWYG to Wiki syntax since the current behavior does not take
them into account. Effect on wiki pages containing code (groovy,
velocity). Change in habit for certain users.
2/ Handling of 2 blank lines in the wiki syntax
Current status: 1 blank line creates a separate paragraph (<p>)
Possible change: make it add a additional <br /> per blank line,
make it add a empty paragraph per blank line
Possible consequences: possible effect on page with code (not sure),
change of habit
I would say that 1/ is dangerous.. Maybe 2/ is possible with a settings
so that it can be activated/deactivated
Now About the WYSIWYG Editor:
I'm not so sure about the Copy/Pasting from Word as Sergiu is saying. I
think Word puts a lot of phony HTML that cannot be converted. There is a
Word / Excel conversion that needs to be coded.
A big bug in the WYSIWYG Editor has been fixed with the handling of
titles in the trunk (not in the B4 release). I think it really improves
the user experience. You should definitively give it a try.
Ludovic
F. Exertier a écrit :
Hi Vincent,
Vincent Massol wrote:
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On Feb 21, 2007, at 4:50 PM, F. Exertier wrote:
People using this wiki are vp executives, they will not learn any
macro... Sometime, they cut and paste some text from editors like
word, this text includes some blank lines, they would not like to have
to insert such formatting code manually ...
Hi,
so, no solution to this issue ?
there's no syntax for that apart from using <br/>. What syntax would
you expect? One reason there's no syntax is that it won't be simpler
than html... :)
You can always create a velocity macro in yoru wiki, say {blankline}
that internally outputs a <br/>.
I think the wysiwyg editor does support adding new lines.
The team did a try two or three weeks ago with xwiki 1.0 beta 2 or 3.
The wysiwyg was still not working (with any browser, even firefox) and
there were some regressions. Do you know when a stable production
version is expected ? If we commit the choice of xwiki, the goal is to
deploy it on our platforms in the company, and for that we need a
stable version.
Best Regards,
François
Maybe there are some other solution but then we need to understand
why you need to insert several blank lines.
Thanks
-Vincent
>
> F. Exertier wrote:
>
>> Hi Vincent,
>>
>> thanks for you quick answer. However the issue was not to insert a
>> line break, but to insert a "blank line" (what I called "skip a
>> line"), and the following does not work (with two blank lines):
>>
>> "
>> My line 1.
>>
>>
>> My line2.
>> "
>> I get the same result as you, a line break, but no blank line ...
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>>
>> François
>>
>> Vincent Massol wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Francois,
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2007, at 2:41 PM, F. Exertier wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> we are currently deploying xwiki within our company. We use the
>>>> last stable version, the same as the one used by ObjectWeb
>>>> (0.9xxx). In this version we are using the WIKI Editor (the
>>>> wysiwyg one is not running), but we have the following issue:
>>>> in order to skip a line (to insert some line breaks), it is
>>>> necessary to insert some "<br\>" HTML statements or some
"\\"
>>>> characters in the content.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> XWiki recognizes a blank line as meaning a different paragraph.
>>> So the following should work just fine:
>>>
>>> "
>>> My line 1.
>>>
>>> My line2.
>>> "
>>>
>>> The 2 lines should be displayed one under the other. However
>>> the following:
>>>
>>> "
>>> My line1.
>>> My line2.
>>> "
>>>
>>> Will be displayed on the same line when viewed.
>>>
>>> In summary a blank line is how xwiki recognizes a different
>>> paragraph.
>>>
>>>> This is even not documented in the "help frame" on the right of
>>>> the editor screen. This is a show stopper for us since we
>>>> cannot ask our end users (people who will provide the content)
>>>> to know this kind of syntax. Is there any turn around or any
>>>> patch that could be used to cope with this issue ? We do not
>>>> want to upgrade to the 1.0 beta version in a short term.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 1.0 betas would definitely help as the WYSIWYG editor is much
>>> better in these versions and is the easiest to use for end users.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> -Vincent
>>
>>
>
>
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