18 Oct
2011
18 Oct
'11
5:26 p.m.
I'm not so positive about this. The technology behind the LibreOffice Online
version is a bit tricky and it's not clear how it will work effectively.
We should wait and see.
Some thing for Wave, it's not clear how it will be developped in the future
and it seems that the Google experience had shown that the way they mixed
Inbox + Editing Documents + Chat was not the correct solution (beyond the
real time technology in it).
In any case integrating editors for advanced formats is definitively
interesting and is something we should look at. We have the Resilience
Research Project (starting in 2012) on which it is planned to work on Rich
Web Editors. More on it will come before the end of the year. It will
include work on Spreadsheet editors. If anybody knows of good Web based
editors for popular formats that we should look at, tell us.
As for real-time this is very interesting also. We have the Wiki 3.0 project
(https://wiki30.xwikisas.com/xwiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome in French) where
XWiki SAS is doing some work with the INRIA LORIA on integrating real time
in the Wysiwyg editor (with technologies similar to Wave). This is work in
progress.
I'd love to hear from our devs and users what they think we should have in
this area ?
Ludovic
2011/10/18 Guillaume Lerouge <guillaume(a)xwiki.com>
Hi,
I think that this is an interesting and valid point. In the same way that
users can get a preview of OOo-supported attached files right now, we could
integrate use OOo's upcoming HTML5 version in XWiki (when it's ready). From
this article:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/10/17/libreoffice_porting_ios_android_clo…
:
*The LibreOffice Online cloud software is built around HTML5 Canvas and the
GTK+ framework with JavaScript shims, and was developed by SUSE's Michael
Meeks and RedHat's Alex Laarson. It allows complex text layout, large
spreadsheets, WYSIWYG editing, VBA macros, and pivot tables, with the
server
side taking almost the entire processor load.*
So that would seem to answer your initial issue :-) You could upload a .odt
file, edit it online from the wiki, save it and it would be viewable from
the wiki or re-downloadable at will.
Guillaume
On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:17 PM, Eugen Colesnicov <ecolesnicov(a)gmail.com
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>
> ... the UX of the Wave (in this particular case and because Wave is
a
specialized tool) is superior.
I am not agree with you. Good idea - but realisation - terrible!
1. Google used some special interface functions - they thinking, that possibilities will be web-standarts - but they
got a mistake. For this
reason, Wave working quickly and without problems only on Google Chrome
(only this browser supports all these non-standart functions).
2. Try Wave with Firefox at simple computer (netbook for example) -
cannot
work on big waves (hundred messages)!!! I press
one button and waiting
3-5
secunds per each symbol. It is not problem of
notebook - Windows 7, MS
Office working great and quickly!
3. Too many errors on scripts - every 5 minutes I got error - script
bla-bla-bla stopped!
I have experience with Google Wave with big waves of hundreds waves - for
this reason I known what I said.
However it's not the Wave I was trying to promote by this thread, it
was
just an example of advanced user interaction
User-to-User and
User-to-Wiki:
advanced documents editing for most popular types
of documents (text,
spreadsheet, and presentation). I understand the complexity of this task
(it
took 20 years for Microsoft to build their MS Office), but the question
is:
I often consider whether to upload a MS Office
file as an attachment or
maintain the file's content as an XWiki page - and sooner or later
someone
will come up with such solution ( Open-source
wiki + Open-Source Google
Docs
:) ). So it's not about writing some missing extension - it's about
taking
XWiki to the next level in terms of content
editing.
Roman
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Hi! I am not a developer of XWiki, but I am using XWiki 2 years and your
questions are closed to me.
1. Wave is a new project (as a apache open-source project). It is started
as
a Google Wave, after Google "forgot it" and Wave migrated to the apache
incubator. As I know for now - Wave as a independent open-source project
didn't realise yet in production - for this reason, developers of other
platforms right now cannot be sure exactly of future API, future
functionality and other things of Wave ... Discuss about integration with
it
can be started after Wave will be released in a production.
2. XWiki is not only a final user-product "from the box" - is a
"base" of
your possible product (application). And regarding to "collaboration"
XWiki
can give to users more and more. For example, as
a small comparison with
Google Wave:
- In XWiki you can add "pages" - same in Wave you can add "waves"
- In XWiki you can write any comments to this page and comments to the
comments (tree organized).
- In XWiki you can sent messages inside XWiki
- In XWiki you can attach any files to this page and you can organize
view
content of this files using officeviewer macro,
also existing pictire
viewing and charts drawing ...
- In XWiki you can add tasks to this page (exist special macro)
- In XWiki you can connect this page to other pages (wiki, documentation,
etc)
- In XWiki you can construct personal dashboards and gadgets
- Also existing light calculations. If you need more calculations - you
can
write own macro ...
What else exists in Google Wave and don't exists in XWiki? I don't know
...
(maybe another idea of interface). XWiki give you
more - because you can
add
additional macros, add additional functionality (for example blogs,
forums,
etc). For this reason, I think, that XWiki is
enought for colaboration.
Difference from Google Wave - that you need to "construct" in XWiki you
own
"application". You can see examples of
such applications:
http://extensions.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Extension/Chronopolys
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