14 Mar
2017
14 Mar
'17
5:53 p.m.
Hi all,
For the record, Marius Florea and me proposed some improvements for
Administration, see
http://design.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Proposal/Administration9x
There are many topics that can be targeted in Administration and they are
considered for future proposals (like Rights, Templates improvements, etc.)
since they are more complex to tackle. We focused now on prioritizing
often-used sections and improving the hints / values and make the styling
more consistent.
Feedback is welcomed.
Thanks,
Caty
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) <
valicac(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Denis,
Thanks for your feedback.
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Denis GERMAIN <dt.germain(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
We are running multiple flavors of Xwiki
including 7.4.4 (production),
8.4.4 and 9.0
1. what sections are always needed and maybe we could prioritize them;
Users and Groups are the most heavily used menu in administration for us
We also rely heavily on Import/Exports
2. what sections could be grouped together, since they are related;
3. what sections are not relevant and could be removed (maybe because they
are too technical, or not needed or rarely used);
Creating subwikis is sometime used so it shouldn't be dropped (for us)
Templates are not often used but really important to us
4. if there are important recurring things missing from administration;
There is no easy way to troubleshoot users rights on a page. In other
words, sometime users set rights on "pages and children" OR "pages",
and
it
causes all sort of trouble
- some users can't see some pages but they should (due to misconfiugration
of the rights)
- some users can open pages with the direct link but can't navigate to it
a) I don't see why there is 2 types of rights on a page, I would
personnaly
keep only "pages and children" rights and drop "page only" rights
This is when you need to make exceptions: you want all the children to
behave in a certain way, but the parent or a certain subpage to have
different rights. I agree it's a more marginal use case, but still it could
happen.
b) To troubleshoot, I'd like to have a way to
see why some users can see
the page and some don't, or to help me find where the problem is
I agree the rights inheritance is problematic and yes we should improve it
(in terms of setting it and display the applied rules). This functionality
gets outside of the scope of this Administration
reorganization/simplification, but it's indeed very important (and
apparently a common problem).
5. other ideas?
I find the Template creation (with provider) procedure counter intuitive.
Maybe it could be simplified ?
We added some new functionality in terms of visibility and creation
restrictions for templates, but they were intended more as powerful
features, we didn't focus on simplifying the process. Yes, we could do some
improvements there too, especially since we have started promoting
Templates more.
Thank you so much,
Caty
2017-02-23 11:28 GMT+01:00 Ecaterina Moraru
(Valica) <valicac(a)gmail.com>om>:
wrote:
> Hello,
> What a nice idea.
> We are using a Xwiki 7.4.4 release.
> 1. what sections are always needed
and maybe we could prioritize them;
> -> Users / groups / right access / extensions / statistics
> 2. what sections could be grouped
together, since they are related;
> -> Configuration / Look / Email
> 3. what sections are not relevant and
could be removed (maybe because
they
> are too technical, or not needed or rarely used);
> -> wikis (we are using only 1 instance, so no need of multi configs for
to
used
Thanks Stéphane for your answer. It's very
helpful.
Caty
On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Stéphane LASSIRE <
slassire(a)cesap.asso.fr
us)
>
> 4. if there are important recurring things missing from
administration;
> -> rights "inspector", not
really to know the right of a page inside a
> space
> for all users and groups
> -> activity of a group / user. I try to put a counter inside pages to
see
> if
> it is accessed but it a basic solution. I would like to see how much
some
pages are
viewed. The statistics are limited on this part
5. other ideas?
-> see 4
Thanks
Cordialement
Stéphane Lassire
Chargé de l'informatique et de la communication
Courriel : slassire(a)cesap.asso.fr
-----Message d'origine-----
De : users [mailto:users-bounces@xwiki.org] De la part de Ecaterina
Moraru
> (Valica)
> Envoyé : mardi 21 février 2017 16:15
> À : XWiki Mailinglist; XWiki Mailinglist
> Objet : [xwiki-users] [UX] Administration Improvements
>
> Hi,
>
> We are thinking about improving the Administration, so would be great > hear your opinion about:
> 1. what sections are always needed and maybe we could prioritize
them; 2.
> what sections could be grouped together,
since they are related; 3.
what
sections
are not relevant and could be removed (maybe because they are
too
> technical, or not needed or rarely used); 4. if there are important
> recurring things missing from administration; 5. other ideas?
>
> We are particularly interested in 1. and that is sections that are > often and would love to know which are those
(since they differ so
much
depending
on usage).
Let us know,
Caty