7 Apr
2017
7 Apr
'17
1:36 p.m.
Hi Craig,
On 6 Apr 2017, at 19:34, Craig Wright
<crw+xwiki(a)crw.xyz> wrote:
This is awesome, thanks for your contribution! :)
I cannot validate the content though but I’m sure future nginx+xwiki users will like this
help.
Thanks
-Vincent
I’ve just fixed this one! (I hope). I’ve added
the info in 2 places:
- home page of snippets.xwiki.org
- inside each snippet you now have an installation instructions section.
This is perfect! Simple but very helpful.
Let me know if you have any feedback on
http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationTomcat#HUsi…
<http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/AdminGuide/InstallationTomcat#HUsingNginxasareverse-proxyforTomcat28http2Fhttps29>.
Thanks,
Craig
On Apr 6, 2017, at 2:11 AM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Craig,
On 5 Apr 2017, at 23:47, Craig Wright
<crw+xwiki(a)crw.xyz> wrote:
:)
Waiting for it! ;)
I swear the tab with that page has been open in my browser for like three weeks. I’ll
make it happen eventually! Probably right after I deploy that docker container… In terms of frustrations, as a self-hoster, it is
mostly around what I would call “assumptions.” As a php/python guy who has largely (but
not completely) managed to avoid Java, there is a lot about running Java web platforms I
just don’t know. The docs are great in that there are some clear guidelines as to “best
standard configuration” which helped me pick a AWS machine (m3.small) and whatnot, but
there is a lot of assumed knowledge too. The nginx+ssl example is a good one; since
Apache+Tomcat seems to have some built-in conveniences, I had to figure out what headers
needed to be forwarded / rewritten to get it to work with nginx. And it’s not like nginx
is some niche reverse-proxy; it is pretty popular.
Yeah we’re not very good on that topic and we need user’s help actually. The XWiki
developers are not really using/setting up XWiki themselves (or just on their computers
with some basic config). Thus they don’t know the advanced config options. Even
xwiki.org’s system config is setup by Admins from the XWiki SAS company and not by
xwiki.org developers. And XWiki SAS is using Apache, not Nginx.
Thus having user’s help to document all possible configs would really help.
Snippets is another good example. Once you figure
out “oh these run in wiki pages,” it makes sense. Until you figure that out, you are
tearing your hair out trying to understand what the hell you are supposed to do. Again,
the assumption is the user has at least that basic knowledge but it is not actually in the
docs anywhere that comes up in a google search.
I’ve just fixed this one! (I hope). I’ve added the info in 2 places:
- home page of snippets.xwiki.org
- inside each snippet you now have an installation instructions section.
Let me know if it’s good enough or if there’s something moretodo.
Thanks for the feedback!
-Vincent
Overall though, I can’t really complain. As I get more experienced with the software and
understand the docs layout a bit better, these are all things I could change or improve
with a little time.
Thanks!
Craig
On Mar 31, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Vincent Massol
<vincent(a)massol.net> wrote:
Hi Craig,
> On 31 Mar 2017, at 21:08, Craig Wright <crw+xwiki(a)crw.xyz> wrote:
>
> XWiki is a very large, feature-rich product. While there are a lot of docs, they have
clearly grown organically over time. Areas of the docs like Snippets assume a familiarity
with the system that is not available to learn from the docs site itself. That’s the bad
news; the good news is that the docs are mostly editable by users and so it is a place
where us newbies can contribute. In fact I owe them an update on how to install
XWiki+nginx+SSL. :)
Waiting for it! ;)
> I have had a good number of frustrations getting things running,
We’re keen to improve XWiki constantly and I’d love to know what those are to see whether
we’re working on them or to add them to our todo in case they’re not.
> but I have to say compared to other wiki systems I’ve used, you can’t beat the
features at the price. Things may get much easier with the containerized deployment, I
haven’t tried that yet.
Let me know how the xwiki docker image works for you. I’m sure there are plenty of
features to add but would be great to know what users are looking for.
Thanks
-Vincent
> Be well,
> Craig
>
>
>> On Mar 30, 2017, at 3:20 PM, Douglas Landau <DouglasL(a)westmarine.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I’ve never used this code but shouldn’t it execute in a wiki page?
>>
>> Thanks Vincent. I finally figured out from Craig Wright's comment ("FOR
THOSE NEW TO XWIKI") that a)there is such a thing [as a code snippet that runs in a
page] and that this is one of them. Being completely unaware of the existence of
snippets, I would never have guessed that this was one.
>>
>> I followed step 1:
>> Step 1: Switch to Filesystem attachments.
>> I followed step 2:
>> Step 2: Add a new directory to your backup routine.
>> I read step 3:
>> Step 3: Copy attachments from database to filesystem.
>> Now you are ready to copy the data over from your database to the filesystem. It
is prudent to leave the attachments in the database since in most situations the
attachment data is not bothersome just sitting in the database (The only risk of
attachments left in the database is that they will bloat the size of the database files).
As such, this script contains no facility to delete entries from the database.
>> If anything goes wrong in this function, it will fail with an error message and
you should get the stack trace, keep it to confuse and humiliate the developer with. No
harm should be done since this only loads from the database and only saves to the
filesystem.
>>
>> I read step 4:
>> Step 4: Make sure everything is working.
>> Check to make sure your attachments are still there, if an attachment is broken,
... <snip>
>>
>> I felt quite sure that how to run the thing should be in step 3; 2 is too soon,
and 4 is too late. But how? Nowhere in the text does it actually say how to run the
thing!!! So I googled looking for other's comments on forums, etc. I YUM installed
Groovy and tried running it on the commandline. I removed the leading and trailing lines
("[[grovy]]") which caused errors. I got class not found errors. I read step 3
again. I started reading the details of CLASSPATH and /bin/build-classpath. With
reluctance and just a little resentment. It was an extwemewy fwustwating expewience.
>>
>> That said, I realize it the mailing list is for questions, not complaints, and so
apologize to all for this complaint, and will take it and my other such observations to
Jira and log them as bugs.
>>
>> dkl
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