On Mar 14, 2007, at 1:51 PM, THOMAS, BRIAN M ((ATTSI)) wrote:
I haven't yet had a great reason to complain, but
I can see the need
emerging, as the community grows, for more narrowly targeted
discussions.
Are you talking about xwiki-users or xwiki-dev? I'm also curious to
list the domains of discussions that you think should get separated.
FYI and FWIW the Maven community is about 1000 times larger than the
XWiki one and they're still managing with a few mailing lists.
I do agree that some modules in XWiki could get their mailing list
when they grow but we're far, very very far from that, especially on
the user list.
I'd rather we focus all on reducing the questions asked on the list
by improving
xwiki.org
I have certainly bulk-marked threads on this list,
and
like Catalin I believed that forums offered the best opportunity for
that (our XWiki host also hosts Roller and jForum), but given that
tag-and-search offers potentially better targetting, it may be the
better way.
One caveat on tagging, though: the effectiveness of such a scheme
depends on user behavior, much more so when the community is
relatively
small (which XWiki's certainly is, compared to, say, del.icio.us).
Completely agree.
The
genius of it lies in the fact that each user benefits most
individually
by the same behavior that benefits the community as a whole, which is
tagging items meaningfully. Nevertheless, such an ad-hoc mechanism
can
be unsatisfactory if too few people "get it". Like hashing, it
walks a
fine line between high collision rates (too many matches) and
excessive
sparseness (too few). A more robust way of combining tags
('and'/'or'/'not') would benefit tagging almost as much as with
search
terms, although because tags are cheap and can be liberally
applied, the
current "require all" works pretty well where there is a large
population of liberal taggers.
I do see, as the product and the community grow and mature, a growing
distinction (witnessed recently) between "very advanced
users/administrators/extenders" and the more casual user, and even
finer
distinctions within each of those groups. The difference is both
qualitative and quantitative: obviously, for a successful project the
growth of the population of casual users will quickly outpace and
overwhelm that of advanced users, and self-help facilities will
quickly
be critical to success. The advanced users/admins/extenders will have
more questions needing individual attention, and more likely to end up
in JIRA.
Seggregation in general is bad as it doesn't lead to cross
pollination. It should be avoided at all cost unless it's no more
possible to avoid it.
One last thought: generally speaking, user fora and other self-help
mechanisms do tend to grow of their own accord, so it's not
necessarily
a matter of major concern - if there's a big enough perceived need,
someone will host it, whether anyone else wants them to or not, and
the
quality of the idea and the implementation will tend to attract those
whose benefit it best serves.
Right.
Under that heading, I intend to investigate Nabble; it does sound
interesting; sort of like subscribing to the mailing list with a
shared
GMail account, if I understand it correctly, no...?
-Vincent
-----Original
Message-----
From: Catalin Hritcu [mailto:catalin.hritcu@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 3:37 AM
To: xwiki-users(a)objectweb.org
Subject: Re: [xwiki-users] Do we need a forum?
Hi Vincent,
On 3/14/07, Connected Performance
<Uwe(a)connectedperformance.com> wrote:
[snip]
Forums have two more advantages:
- What to communicate: Categories/topics ( i.e.'hosting
xwiki',' data
base topics', 'tutorials' etc,
you'll get the point) enable
specialization, which increases the effectiveness of developers and
users (BTW: I am mostly a user of xwiki)
[snip]
This is actually a good point we should probably consider. We
hardly have any categorization with the mailing lists other
then the split between users and developers. Both are high
traffic, and while you, or Sergiu, are probably reading
everything, you cannot expect your users to do the same.
So don't you think that better categorization would help?
Would it be possible to have it with the current
infrastructure (e.g. we could for example tag posts, like we
do for [Proposal] etc.) ? WDYT?
Catalin
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